Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[Tupac slayer]

Because Pakistani F16s are not used much

How can you say that they have not used their F-16? F-16 was their only aircraft which was capable of doing certain missions. do you mean to say they fly less number of sorties? inspite of war on terror?

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

How can you say that they have not used their F-16? F-16 was their only aircraft which was capable of doing certain missions.

They don’t have the money to afford sorties and spare parts for F16 is also not available how can they operate their F16s extensively?

 

[varun9509]

IAF test fires MICA air-to-air missiles ahead of Rafale integration


By Hemant Kumar Rout| Express News Service | Published: 19th August 2020 08:00 AM


BHUBANESWAR: Amid a protracted stand-off along the LAC, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has accomplished a secret mission by conducting several rounds of air-to-air missiles that have recently been acquired from France and Russia from a frontline fighter aircraft off Odisha coast.

Defence sources said anti-air multi-target MICA missile fired from Sukhoi-30 MKI for the first time successfully destroyed expendable aerial targets (EATs), demonstrating its stealth capabilities. Ahead of the planned integration with multi-role combat aircraft Rafale, the IAF test fired two rounds of Beyond Visual Range (BVR) air-to-air missile MICA on Monday and Tuesday.

The fighter aircraft took off from Kalaikunda airbase in West Bengal and fired the missile, successfully neutralising the aerial target drone mimicking enemy aircraft at low altitude. “All mission parameters have been met as the target was destroyed validating the missile’s launch envelope. The missile will equip both Sukhoi and Rafale fighter jets,” a defence official told ‘The Express’.

Acquired from France, MICA is an all weather missile system available in both short and medium ranges. The fire-and-forget missile can be used both by air platforms as well as ground units and ships.


The 3.1 metre long missile having a diameter of 0.16 m weighs around 112 kg. It can neutralise targets within a range of 500 metre to 60 km. Of its two variants guided by radio frequency (RF) and infrared (IR), MICA-RF has an active radar homing seeker and MICA-IR has an imaging infra-red homing seeker. Both seekers are designed to filter out counter-measures.

Last week, the IAF had conducted two rounds test of R-77 air-to-air missile acquired from Russia. The multi-purpose missile can be used against a range of aircraft, both tactical and strategic and from hovering helicopters to high-speed at different altitudes. The medium-range air-to-air guided missile R-77 is about 3.6 metre in length and 200 mm in diametre. It weighs around 175 kg. It has an operational range of 80 km to 100 km. Both the missions were conducted by the IAF while the DRDO provided the logistic support. After the successful trial of Dhruvastra last month, the twin missions during the Covid-19 pandemic proved the readiness of the test range.

“The IAF is in the process of upgrading its squadrons. It is also in process of procuring Meteor missile from the European weapon maker MBDA. Rafale will be equipped with MICA and Meteor,” the official added.

IAF test fires air-to-air missiles ahead of Rafale integration

BHUBANESWAR: Amid a protracted stand-off along the LAC, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has accomplished a secret mission by conducting several rounds of air-to-air

www.newindianexpress.com

I'm confused. Didn't French have a problem with integrating their missiles with Russian or Israeli radars?

 

[airtel]

I'm confused. Didn't French have a problem with integrating their missiles with Russian or Israeli radars?

It maybe Infrared version of MICA missile

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Are upgraded sukhois under super sukhoi program going to be superior to rafales?
If we could upgrade them with our indigenous UTTAM AESA Radars as proposed by DRDO it would be a game changer because Sukhois have huge nose cones and we can integrate any missile of our choice it gets UTTAM AESA Radars, it can also be armed with swarm drones Su30 mki is a huge aircraft and it can do a lot of jobs which smaller aircrafts can’t do

 

[Tumba]

It maybe Infrared version of MICA missile

Mica has both Radar and IR seekers uses both for target acquisition.

As mission comp is of Indian origin we can integrate any missile available with only interface code No source code of AAM required.

Seems like French got a pretty good deal here.

 

[Tumba]

They don’t have the money to afford sorties and spare parts for F16 is also not available how can they operate their F16s extensively?

true that...

An Indian MKI fighter pilot on an average logs around 300-350 hours in an year.

paki pilots wont be getting more than 100-150 hours an year, sparing few who get to 250 range.

 

[Tumba]

Mica has both Radar and IR seekers uses both for target acquisition. Mica RF missiles are tested It seems.

As mission comp is of Indian origin we can integrate any missile available with only interface code No source code of AAM required.

Seems like French got a pretty good deal here.

 

[aakash_2410]

How can you say that they have not used their F-16? F-16 was their only aircraft which was capable of doing certain missions. do you mean to say they fly less number of sorties? inspite of war on terror?

Because despite what some people think, the Russian tech just isn't as reliable as European / American.

 

[Shekhar Singh]

How can you say that they have not used their F-16? F-16 was their only aircraft which was capable of doing certain missions. do you mean to say they fly less number of sorties? inspite of war on terror?

How can you say that they have not used their F-16? F-16 was their only aircraft which was capable of doing certain missions. do you mean to say they fly less number of sorties? inspite of war on terror?

It's 272 vs 70, with this ratio their crash rate is quite high

 

[vishnugupt]

Post 27-Feb, I have observed people lost faith in Su-30mki they now see Rafale/Mirage/Mig-29 as front line aircraft and they are trying to give Su-30mki a name "Bomb truck" like a random Suic!de b@mber driving a Car filled with 200kg rdx.
This is happening because our crybaby don't feel any pleasure owning a less shinny toy than toy owned by a boy next door. IAF openly downgrading it like a stepmother. Initially, IAF used to blame HAL for poor manufacturing and leaving metal parts in engines after overhaul, after that they blamed Fly by wire system or displays go blank and now this engines. But fact is IAF have crashed all from vintage Migs to brand new C-130j Hercules but they never blame themselves. IAF would have crashed Tejas by now for gripen if we are not in such dire situation ( they already dropped fuel tank in mid-flight for practice )
Su-30MKI is and will remain front line fighter for India in future because of its enormous potential ( If, IAF wish). These very fighters with same weapons and RCS, are fighting against all IAF's fantasies ( Rafale, F-16, F-35, Meteor, AIM120 AAMRAM. just name it?.) in Syria and you know the result. Nobody even dare to come close to them.

 

[airtel]

Mica has both Radar and IR seekers uses both for target acquisition.

No ; both missiles are different ,


MICA-EM: with Active radar homing
MICA-IR: with Infrared homing

 

[doreamon]

Eagerly waiting for super sukhoi updates . No one talking abt it these days .its all abt rafel, tejas , amca .

 

[airtel]

last F-16 Crash of Pakistan Airforce was in 2009?

Here is the video of paki F-16 which crashed in 2020

 

[WolfPack86]

Will MICA-IR Boost firepower of Sukhoi-Su30MKI?

According to media reports, the Indian Air Force (IAF) Sukhoi-Su30MKI jet for the first time test-fired MICA IR a dual waveband imaging infrared seeker version of the framed multi-mission air-to-air missile which is standard on the recently acquired Dassault Rafale and Mirage 2000-5 fleet but for the first time MICA IR has been tested from a Russian origin jet, which has some Post Balakot Air combat operations link as per sources close to idrw.org. In 2012, IAF had placed orders for 490 Mica infrared and radar-controlled air-to-air missiles for its Mirage-2000-5 fleet and in 2016 it was for the first time test-fired from an upgraded Mirage-2000-5 aircraft marking successful integration into the fleet. 36 Dassault Rafale will also be equipped with the same MICA-IR-RF air-to-air missile which is will be supplemented with superior air dominance Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM). Vympel R-27T and Vympel R-73 are Medium and short-range infrared homing (heat-seeking) air-to-air missile which has been integrated on the Sukhoi-Su30MKI but both lacked superior range like seen in MICA-IR which also will be seen as a substitute to the Vympel R-27T which are prone to poor performance issues and also have a lower inflight shelf life. While the official range of MICA-IR is still classified it has been advertised as 80km but some experts suggesting it has been capped to 60km for the infrared version but it does create a sense of fear in the rival camp due to its unique stealthy interception capability provided by its silent seeker. MICA-IR is called by MBDA its Makers as an Enhanced Short Range (SR) multi-mission air-to-air missile system which offers its users a combination of Lock On After Launch mode and excellent acquisition and tracking performance authorize 360° launch envelope with the first shot / first kill capability even in case of a threat in the backward sector. MICA-IR gives its target little but mostly no warning when launched at it and can deadly until the last minute. Thrust vector control (TVC) and Low-smoke High impulse Propulsion system makes it very difficult for the target to escape at its No-Escape Zone. MICA-IR can use its Autonomous lock-on from the seeker’s IRST scans which means it doesn’t require inputs from Fire Control Radar or IRST Sensor of the aircraft for launch towards the target, which could be one of the reasons why it was selected for the Sukhoi-Su30MKI till the time upgrade Vympel R-27ER ordered from Russia starts coming. India is reportedly also working on its own Astra IR with Enhanced Short Range (SR) performance in lines of MICA-IR which later will be adapted for all IAF fighter jet fleet. Post Balakot Air combat operations While No Beyond Visual Range Air to Air Missiles was fired by Indian Air Force after Balakot Air Strikes when Pakistani Air Force (PAF) jets tried to attack Indian Army Installation and pinned down a Sukhoi-Su30MKI with a barrage of AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM Beyond Visual Range Air to Air Missiles which failed to hit its intended Target but Two Upgraded Mirage-2000-5 which were on Combat Air Patrol at the different sector were able to keep Radar lock on 8 JF-17s which had formed the second line of defense behind F-16 thus preventing their intervention in the sector where Two Mig-21s were seen attacking F-16s. PAF Chief later in an interview confirmed that IAF Mirage-2000 armed with MICA Air-to-Air missile prevented JF-17s from entering air battle which was taking place near LOC. According to IAF, All 8 JF-17s stayed out of the MICA Range in fear of being shot down on the Indian side of LOC which also thus prevented Second Mig-21 Piloted by Squadron Leader Vyas from being shot down.

Will MICA-IR Boost firepower of Sukhoi-Su30MKI? – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

What happened to the super sukhoi upgrade program using indigenous systems like UTTAM AESA Radar any updates.?

 

[Chinmoy]

What happened to the super sukhoi upgrade program using indigenous systems like UTTAM AESA Radar any updates.?

Uttam AESA? The upgrade includes AESA, but not Uttam.

One part of the upgradation is already in way with the test firing of MICA-IR. Multiple ejector racks are also in development and testing phase for MKIs. So one facet of upgradation is getting worked upon.

Engine is one issue pending with decision to be made in between 37 & 117.

DIRCM, MAWS and Jammer would be more of a game changer as of now then most other upgrades.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Uttam AESA? The upgrade includes AESA, but not Uttam.

One part of the upgradation is already in way with the test firing of MICA-IR. Multiple ejector racks are also in development and testing phase for MKIs. So one facet of upgradation is getting worked upon.

Engine is one issue pending with decision to be made in between 37 & 117.

DIRCM, MAWS and Jammer would be more of a game changer as of now then most other upgrades.

DRDO Proposed UTTAM AESA Radars for Supe Sukhoi program but there is no decision yet

 

[Chinmoy]

DRDO Proposed UTTAM AESA Radars for Supe Sukhoi program but there is no decision yet

DRDO never proposed Uttam for Super Sukhoi program to start with nor IAF asked for that. It is only fanboy media reporting which proposed Uttam for Super Sukhoi program.

 

[Tupac slayer]

Why India should consider buying 40 more SU 30 MKI?

BY DEFENCEUPDATE



With the Sukhoi-30MKI fighter — the backbone of the air force fleet — nearing the end of its production run, its manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), is taking up a case to build 40 more. If the defence ministry accepts HAL’s proposal, the inventory of the Russian fighter would be enhanced from the planned 272 to 312.

Indian Air Force’s 272 multirole air superiority fighter Sukhoi Su-30MKI fleet might be boosted to 312 if Ministry of Defence and Indian Air Force agree to procure 40 Su-30MKIs more Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and as per latest media reports looking like all three parties will come to a positive consensus after a recent meeting with all concerned parties.

With HAL offering to price the additional Su-30s at just Rs 4.25 billion, the fighter will be barely one-third the cost of the Rafale. According to a Business Standard analysis, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is paying Rs 11.25 billion per Rafale, excluding the price of weapons and logistics.

A Final decision will be taken by end of this year but it is most likely HAL will get a fresh contract for 40 more Su-30MKIs which they are offering at a very competitive price as the country already has required infrastructure and manpower to manufacture them without any additional cost same as previously supplied.

HAL offered to manufacture 40 Su-30MKIs which were modified to carry a Single 2.5-ton BrahMos-A under its Belly. DRDO already has planned to field an 800km ranged BrahMos-A in near future and performance of recent trials of the missile system has showcased that a Game changer weapon system like BrahMos-A can act as a shield against formidable naval adversaries while patroling Indian ocean.

How will the capability of IAF get enhanced with this deal?

IAF has plan to induct 42 su 30 mki to carry Bramhos-A, India can manufacture another 40 aircraft which can carry 2.5-ton Bramhos-A,

The air-launched version of the BrahMos has been downsized to 8 metres and 2,560 kgs. Even so, mounting it on a Su-30 requires reinforcing the aircraft’s underbelly and installing a heavy-duty mounting station. It is easier and better to kit out new Su-30s to carry the BrahMos, rather than carrying out structural modifications to old aircraft.

The IAF is slated to receive 200 air-launched BrahMos-A missiles in the coming years. In order for the Su-30MKI to carry and launch the BrahMos-A, the aircraft’s undercarriage needs to be reinforced and hardened electronic circuitry to withstand the electromagnetic pulses of a nuclear blast — the missile can reportedly carry a nuclear warhead — installed, next to other modifications.

Ministry sources indicate a proposal to build more Su-30s would be considered positively, given the shortfall of IAF fighter squadrons. HAL is currently building the last 23 Su-30s of the 272 it was mandated to build. The IAF’s first 50 Su-30s were built in Russia.

India plans to upgrade its 80 su 30 mki to super su 30 mki .With additional order India can negotiate for much sweater deal from Russia. India has already taken various step to improve the operational serviceability of su 30 mki

India already operates much-advanced version of su 30 mki than China. The enemy cannot ignore 312 aircraft armed with bramhos-M(300 km) & bramhos-A(800 km).With China ramping up and upgrading its flanker fleet.The Indian government should consider this offer seriously.

https://defenceupdate.in/why-india-should-consider-buying-40-more-su-30-mki/