Sukhoi PAK FA

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[bhramos]

 

[Super Flanker]

the A variant of F-35 is carrying air to surface variant

and in C variant and P-8 they are planning to carry anti ship variant

we dont need anti-ship in stealth mode

but for air to surface ops Stealth mode is required against both China and Pakistan

You are correct that we don't need Anti-Ship in Stealth mode.

Anti Ship missiles tend to be quite large and cannot fit into the IWB of any 5th generation fighter aircraft like F-35 ,SU-57 and hence they have to be carried on the wing hardpoints of Aircrafts. if I am wrong here than prove me.

Air to surface ops in Stealth mode is required mostly for an Airforce like China and not Pakistan in my opinion.

What type of Air Operations are you talking about here? Against Pakistan and China? Please tell and than we can discuss about it Further.

 

[Super Flanker]

The F-22 Raptor and SU-57 both have some advantages associated with them. SU-57 has some advantage against the F-22 Because it has a side looking Radar, IRST. SU-57 has 3d Thrust vectoring as compared to the 2d thrust vectoring of the F-22 which allows the SU-57 to have an edge Against the F-22 in close range combat.

I know 1 thing though and that is the F-22 is definitely more stealthier than the SU-57. Those Stealthy 2d thrust vectoring engines are definitely more Stealthy as compared to the 3rd thrust vectoring of the SU-57 Because of its Nozzles.

Raptor is a superiorr 5th generation fighter jet in Certain ways and that is metrics stealth, supercruise, radar and electronic warfare.

 

[StealthFlanker]

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Anti Ship missiles tend to be quite large and cannot fit into the IWB of any 5th generation fighter aircraft like F-35 ,SU-57 and hence they have to be carried on the wing hardpoints of Aircrafts. if I am wrong here than prove me.

Air to surface ops in Stealth mode is required mostly for an Airforce like China and not Pakistan in my opinion.

JSM literally fit inside F-35, and it is an antiship missile
So is AARGM-ER and SIAW which can be used for anti ship purpose
Similarly Su-57 can also carry Kh-59MK2 and Kh-58UShKE

 

[Ultimatebot]

You are correct that we don't need Anti-Ship in Stealth mode.

Anti Ship missiles tend to be quite large and cannot fit into the IWB of any 5th generation fighter aircraft like F-35 ,SU-57 and hence they have to be carried on the wing hardpoints of Aircrafts. if I am wrong here than prove me.

Air to surface ops in Stealth mode is required mostly for an Airforce like China and not Pakistan in my opinion.

What type of Air Operations are you talking about here? Against Pakistan and China? Please tell and than we can discuss about it Further.

to target strategic targets such as ammunition dump, nuclear facility, missile silos, command centers

in war like situation

 

[Super Flanker]

to target strategic targets such as ammunition dump, nuclear facility, missile silos, command centers

in war like situation

In war like situations? You really think that IAF jets will easily be able to enter Pakistani Airspace and bomb their Targets like :

• 1)Nuclear Facility
• 2)Missile silos
• 3)Ammunition depots

And not face any Kind of Retaliation from Pakistan Armed forces? For such strikes we should use AMCA in stealth mode in my opinion and use AMCA Aircrafts in beast mode as Escort.

 

[bhramos]

 

[bhramos]

 

[Super Flanker]

More spin and desperation, crediting Russian missiles for kills in Yemen because it suits your narrative. The Houthis more than likely used Iranian missiles to down Saudi aircraft.

Meanwhile the IAF are troubled by Russian missiles that explode as soon as it leaves the launch rails during routine testing. Read the CAG report it has more facts than your internet conspiracy theories.

Please don't take credit away from the Iranians and their Kebab 2 or Shabab 6 missile






Vapor trails seriously - that's all you have? Evidence of the famous PAF "circus carousel" fighting technique.

You know that's not how AIM 120 C7's works right, the launching platform guides the missile with its radar and so cannot turn immediately after launching - if it does the missile goes dumb. The only scenario in which your argument makes sense is if the AIM 120 C7 was launched within visual range. Was the Su 30 in visual range? I don't think so....

Hello Mr American, why did you bring AIM-120C7 into the conversation here? Do you now not even know which variant of AIM-120 Pakistan uses? Pakistan uses the AIM-120C5 and not C7 and it doesn't matter whether you stay in Denial or not!

PAF was desperate to score a kill on an MKI so hence the F-16s Went on a higher altitude (Which was also confirmed by Indian AWACS data) that they lobbed 4-5 AIM-120s at our SU-30 MKIs but unfortunately could not score a kill.
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the americans have close to 50 years denying any air to air loss since 1970, Israel does the same, Pakistan does the same.


To put a simple example in 1982 the Soviets and Syrians acknowledged their losses, Israel only admitted losses when their pilots were captured and paraded, the Americans in 1991 lost at least 30 aircraft according to their own account, they always claimed SAMs beat their aircraft, the reality is if Russian SAMs are so good why then their AAMs are not as good.



Today is the same, the americans denied the lose of the F-117 in 1999 but let us remember the Serbs showed the wreckage of the F-117 then they did not have other option that to admit the lose.


The cruel reality is the USAF will not be able to beat IAF, RuAF or PLAAF simply because these air forces are armed to the teeth, and even their aircraft carriers will not survive attacks by Tu-22Ms or Chinese Tu-16s, further more Indian and Chinese Su-30s are much newer and more advanced than their vintage F-15s, their F-18 while advanced lack range which will increase their vulnerability if Tu-22Ms or Su-30MKIs armed with Brahmos are available, the USAF will not win a conventional war against these air forces, despite their boasting.

The USAF is an imperial force to attack weak air forces like Iraq supported by NATO.


In 1991, MiG-31s were going to be able to down most aircraft and Syria once it had Russian SAMs has being able to stop cruise missiles launched by the USA.

Americans sadly like propaganda, but in true war the ability to win it is not as assured as they claim

Also remember how US lied about Iraqi MiG-25 shooting down an F-18 by saying it was SAM but later Accepted after a few years that it was indeed an R-40 missile From a MiG-25 which shot down the F-18.

Also our SU-30s once Defeated US F-15s in Simulated exercises in Cope 2004.
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Maybe I went a little off topic but i wonder how IAF would have performed had IAF had SU-57 during the 27th February skirmish. @Neptune what do you think?

 

[Super Flanker]

Sukhoi Su-57.

By looking at the above picture, it seems that this a production model SU-57. (A BEAUTY OF AVIATION!)

 

[Super Flanker]

Sukhoi SU-57 (in pixel Camouflage)

 

[Super Flanker]

An SU-57 when it was delivered to RuAF in late 2021.(Production standard model)

I have observed the design of the SU-57 and especially it's control surfaces (Ailerons especially) and from my POV, Russia could have done with the SU-57 what the Americans had done with the F-22 Raptor which is smoothen the control surfaces.

This is the rear view of an F-22 Raptor in which we can see the vertical Stabilizer.

Do you notice the smoothening in the CSs?
Russia should/could have done it with the PAK-FA as well. Such a feature would reduce the RCS of SU-57 even more. Anyways SU-57 is now the way it is.

Russia will be using this feature in the upcoming SU-75 though. SU-75 will borrow lot of technology From the SU-57. The Sukhoi team has indeed learnt a lot from the SU-57's Development. I hope India's upcoming AMCA will have it as well.

 

[Super Flanker]

Several sources on the internet are claiming that the SU-57 has been actively used in Combat in the Ukraine-Russia Conflict.

Until we can get a photo/video of an SU-57 even flying near Ukrainian Border, this Claim stands "unrecognised" and needs further validation.

 

[Super Flanker]

Sukhoi SU-57 [PHOTO]

In the initial stages of development of the SU-57, it was known as the T-50. The T-50 was officially named Su-57 in July 2017.

 

[Blademaster]

Sukhoi SU-57 [PHOTO]

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In the initial stages of development of the SU-57, it was known as the T-50. The T-50 was officially named Su-57 in July 2017.

I think the Su-57 is way more beautiful than the F-22 Raptor. Much more sleeker and refined. If combined with Israelis/French avionics and western practices of production, this Su-57 would run supreme of the skies over F-22s and F-35s.

 

[Super Flanker]

I think the Su-57 is way more beautiful than the F-22 Raptor. Much more sleeker and refined. If combined with Israelis/French avionics and western practices of production, this Su-57 would run supreme of the skies over F-22s and F-35s.

SU-57 has higher RCS than F-22/F-35. I don't know about J-20.

As of now the Raptor remains unmatched by any other Stealth aircraft in existence due to its superior stealth. F-22 and SU-57 were both designed to suit 2 Different doctrines and both perform their respective duties very well from my POV.

F-22 was designed as more of an offensive stealth fighter whereas the SU-57 was designed as a counter Stealth aircraft.

 

[SKC]

I think the Su-57 is way more beautiful than the F-22 Raptor. Much more sleeker and refined. If combined with Israelis/French avionics and western practices of production, this Su-57 would run supreme of the skies over F-22s and F-35s.

Well, I whole heartedly agree that Russian planes are beauty and much more sexy looking till before 5th Gen.

However with 5th Gen, I don't find any plane closer to F-22 Raptor in looks and beauty. Su-57 is distant second. The whole engine nozzle area is simply badly done in Su-57.

 

[Super Flanker]

Well, I whole heartedly agree that Russian planes are beauty and much more sexy looking till before 5th Gen.

However with 5th Gen, I don't find any plane closer to F-22 Raptor in looks and beauty. Su-57 is distant second. The whole engine nozzle area is simply badly done in Su-57.

F-22 uses rectangular Engine exhausts to provide stealth from the rear and this nozzle also reduces the IR signature of the aircraft. Also such design makes it look much more modern as compared to conventional nozzle fighters like F-35/F-16/F-15/SU-57.

Last year in Desember there were Claims on the internet that Russian S-70 UCAV and SU-57 will implement flat engine nozzles for enhanced Stealth but till date I have never seen any S-70 or SU-57 prototype implement such Technic.