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Russian 5th-generation fighter makes 2nd flight

Russia's prototype fifth-generation fighter has made a second test flight in the Far East, a Defense Ministry official told RIA Novosti on Friday.

"Russian specialists have been carefully monitoring the U.S. F-22 Raptor, so we can compare the newest Russian fighter with it," the official said, adding that the plane had "a very bright future."

After a number of test flights in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the aircraft will be transported to the Zhukovsky airbase near Moscow for final testing.

A prototype of the fighter made a 47-minute maiden flight in Russia's Far East on January 29.

Russia has been developing its newest fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, was designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at a plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft.

Earlier this week, Russia's Air Force chief said the first batch of fifth-generation fighters would go into service in 2015.

MOSCOW, February 12 (RIA Novosti)
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100212/157855932.html
 
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Russia's T-50 Shows New Face and Human Intelligence


Russia’s new T-50 PAK FA fifth generation aircraft performed its second flight on February 12. The flight took place at the airbase in the city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

“The flight continued for 57 minutes; all systems of the aircraft functioned properly,” a source at the Russian defense complex told Interfax. The new plane has a new look now, the official added.

“Several days ago the plane was painted in gray and white camouflage colors of the Russian Air Force. The new colors made the aircraft look more menacing in the air,” the official said.


The plane will perform several other test flights at the base of Komsomolsk-on-Amur and will be thereafter sent to the Moscow region, where the main part of test flights will be conducted. The combat capacity of the fighter jet will later be tested in the Astrakhan region of Russia.

The first test flight was conducted on January 29. The general director of Russia’s legendary Sukhoi design bureau said that the first successful flight of the fifth-generation jet marked great progress for the Russian aviation technology. Test pilot Sergey Bogdan shared positive impressions of his experience on board the T-50.

Prime Minister Putin stated that the program to train crews for the new jet would be launched in 2013, whereas serial purchasing of the jet would commence in 2015.

The main distinction of the aircraft is the computer analysis of all information. A pilot receives the results of the analysis in the form of prompt messages, GZT.ru wrote.

The exploitation of the new plane will be cheaper in comparison with its predecessors. For example, the cost of one hour of exploitation of Su-27 (4th generation) makes up $10,000. The price for the same time of exploitation of T-50 is expected to be reduced to $1,500.

Nikolai Makarov, Russian armed forces chief of staff, said that Sukhoi’s T-50 would have several advantages over its US rival – F-22 Raptor.

“First and foremost, it goes about high, nearly human intelligence,” Makarov said.

In addition, T-50 will be a lot cheaper than the US analogue, although the price has not been exposed yet, Makarov said.

Russia started working on the fifth-generation aircraft during the 1980s, but the works were suspended after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The US prototype of the modern F-22 fighter jet took off for the first time in 1990. Russia returned to the development of the domestic fifth-generation aircraft only in 2002.

http://newsfromrussia.com/russia/economics/12-02-2010/112189-fifth_generation_pak_fa-0
 

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PAK FA has successfully completed the second flight

Fifth-generation fighter T-50, also known as a promising frontline aviation aircraft complex (PAK FA), performed the second test flight, reports "Interfax" referring to the representatives of the military-industrial complex.

Flight tests of the fighter he told, were held on Friday, February 12, at the aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO). В воздухе истребитель пробыл 57 минут. The air fighter spent 57 minutes.
Before the second flight of the T-50 was painted in the colors of the Air Force Russia - gray and white camouflage broken:cheesy:

At the airport KnAAPO planned to perform a few more flights PAK FA, then the fighter moves to Zhukovsky near Moscow, where will the bulk of its flight tests.. Fighting quality fighter, told the agency's interlocutor, the State will be tested in flight test center of the Defense Ministry in Akhtubinsk.
First flight PAK FA as developed by the OKB Sukhoi "deals with the 1990's, made 29 January 2010 and from the airport KnAAPO. . Then the fighter held in the air 47 minutes.
Specifications fifth-generation fighter T-50 still kept secret.. Reported only that he can take off and landing on runways length of 300-400 meters, will be able to perform combat missions in any weather and time of day, and will differ maneuverability.

. It is expected that the Defense Ministry will PAK FA, already in 2015, but did not specify on how many fighters in question.
 

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May be the Russians feel that as long as they have engines powerful enough to out run the enemy stealth on the rear is not that important.
By the way other than tail chase what other circumstances is rear-end stealth useful for?
Escape is only an option, as in 'fight or flight' response. But in order to 'escape' a threat, you have to FIRST be aware of the threat, then decide on the response. Rear aspect RCS is important in that it will determent the level of difficulty for the aggressor radar to identify you BEFORE he can threaten you. So...As far as radar detection goes...If you have a small head but a big ass, you can become a victim without knowing you are a victim.
 

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Escape is only an option, as in 'fight or flight' response. But in order to 'escape' a threat, you have to FIRST be aware of the threat, then decide on the response. Rear aspect RCS is important in that it will determent the level of difficulty for the aggressor radar to identify you BEFORE he can threaten you. So...As far as radar detection goes...If you have a small head but a big ass, you can become a victim without knowing you are a victim.
couldn't understand please elaborate . if you have a decent RWR then how would you become a victim without knowing you are a victim??
 

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@gambit sir

i quote here from an article from ITAR-TASS (which i am going to post in full in the next post) -

The F-22 had quite a few problems. Last year it turned out that its electronics may fail in rainy weather. Research found that moisture gets into complicated systems through cooling devices and may cause high precision instruments to malfunction.

Then there surfaced some problems with repairs and maintenance. It turned out that the most advanced US warplane requires nearly 24 hours of maintenance work after each hour in flight. The cost of one hour of flight operation exceeds 4,000 dollars. And even in that case planes go out of order all too often. According to Pentagon sources, in October 2008 through May 2009 about 50 percent of the F-22s in service were unfliable due to technical failures.

Besides, the Raptor is expensive and very unreliable, so the Pentagon decided against using it in Iraq or Afghanistan. Just recently it curtailed purchases of the F-22 altogether.
http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14819433

ofcourse the author is a columnist (not sure if she is an expert in the field) but still what amount of truth is there to it? can you explain/clarify sir?
 

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'Russian Stealth' may gain market supremacy in ten years' time

13.02.2010, 12.39



By Itar-Tass World Service writer Lyudmila Alexandrova

The Russian defense-industrial complex has delivered a fifth-generation jet that is promised to be far less costly than its US rivals.

The T-50, some have already dubbed the Russian Stealth, made its second flight on Friday.

The test was carried out at an airdrome in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The flight lasted for 57 minutes and all systems operated normally. Several more test flights are due there. Then the plane will be moved to the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky, near Moscow, where most tests will be carried out.

The plane's maiden flight was on January 29, when it stayed in the air for 47 minutes.

The Sukhoi design bureau is the plane's brain-father. The first flying sample of the fifth-generation fighter was put together at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur-based aviation production association.

The plane's shape makes it invisible in the optical, infra-red and traditional radar wave bands. The T-50 will have the capability to perform combat tasks in any weather round the clock and extra maneuverability. The minimum runway length requirement for take-off and landing is 300-400 meters.

The new generation fighter's technical parameters will remain classified for the time being. Presumably, it will be able to fly at a maximum speed of 2,600 kilometers per hour and have fuel endurance of up to 5,500 kilometers. Refueling in flight is a possible option.

The T-50 has a spacious internal compartment for armaments. It may accommodate up to eight R-77 air-to-air rockets or two huge smart bombs 1,500 kilograms each. It will carry externally suspended two extra-long range rockets designed by the Novator bureau. Each of these rockets is capable of destroying planes, including those carrying the airborne warning and control system AWACS, at a distance of 400 kilometers.

Next to the previous generations of fighter jets the T-50 boasts a number of unique capabilities of an attack aircraft and a fighter jet at the same time.

Its main distinction from the predecessors is all available information is processed by the onboard computer and offered to the pilot in the form of prompts. Extra-maneuverability and a super-sonic cruising speed, achievable without turning on the booster, are other noteworthy features. Largely the plane owes them to the fifth generation engine.

The fifth generation jet is less costly to operate. For instance, one flight hour of the fourth generation plane, such as Su-27, costs 10,000 dollars, while that of the fifth generation jet has been slashed to 1,500 dollars.

Experts say the T-50 will cost far less than its US counterpart, although discussing a likely price is too early at this point.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin the other day ordered the first batch of the T-50 jets should be supplied to Lipetsk, where pilots will be trained, as early as 2013, and batch production should be started as of 2015.

However, to some analysts Putin's expectations look unrealistic, because the financing of the T-50 project is rather limited, and the power plant still has unresolved problems. The chief of the Moscow-based Center of Strategies and Technologies Analysis, Ruslan Pukhov, has told the daily Kommersant that the plane may begin to enter duty at routine Air Force units no earlier than 2012-2020. He attributes his skepticism to an earlier decision by Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin to freeze state budge spending on military research as of 2011.

"In one's backyard one can make only one new fighter-jet. For launching its batch production very much will have to be done in the field of materials processing, know-hows and personnel training," the daily Gazeta quotes Colonel-General Anatoly Sitnov as saying. Sitnov in 1994-2001 was chief of armaments of the Russian Armed Forces. "Yet, the plane boasts very many new gadgets and parameters - new opto-electronics, new aerodynamics, and many other things. The basis has been laid. Now time is ripe to build up from it."

The emergence of the T-50 has prompted some experts to say that Russia now has a response to the United States' F-22 Raptor. The Russian fifth-generation jet will have a number of advantages over the US rival, the chief of the Russian Armed Forces' General Staff, Nikolai Makarov, says with certainty.

"First and foremost, it has a very advanced, practically human-like brain," he said.

However, the daily Nezavisimaya Gazeta's military observer believes that comparing the T-50 and US Raptor would be not quite correct. Their concepts are very different. For instance, the Pentagon gave up the intention of making the F-22 super-maneuverable. It is believed that highly-maneuverable, variable thrust rockets the F-22 is armed with make it unnecessary for the pilot to make a tail approach to the enemy for attack. Also, the US fifth generation plane can hit targets at extreme distances, beyond the range of the rockets of all other planes.

The F-22 had quite a few problems. Last year it turned out that its electronics may fail in rainy weather. Research found that moisture gets into complicated systems through cooling devices and may cause high precision instruments to malfunction.

Then there surfaced some problems with repairs and maintenance. It turned out that the most advanced US warplane requires nearly 24 hours of maintenance work after each hour in flight. The cost of one hour of flight operation exceeds 4,000 dollars. And even in that case planes go out of order all too often. According to Pentagon sources, in October 2008 through May 2009 about 50 percent of the F-22s in service were unfliable due to technical failures.

Besides, the Raptor is expensive and very unreliable, so the Pentagon decided against using it in Iraq or Afghanistan. Just recently it curtailed purchases of the F-22 altogether.

Anatoly Sitnov is certain that Russia will polish its T-50 to perfection faster than the Americans may do that to their F-22.

"If one looks back at how the Americans spent 25 years to tune up and adjust their F-22, it will look very likely that our plane will require far less time, because all of its aspects have been researched rather well - this is a second version of a fifth generation jet already."

The deputy director of the Center of Strategies and Technologies Analysis, Konstantin Makienko, believes that after 2020 two or three types of planes will dominate the market of fighter aircraft - the United States' F-35, Russia's T-50 and, probably, some Chinese simulator of a fifth generation jet.

"I believe that the Russian product will have every chance to comfortably control up to 30 percent of the fighter jets market."

Some countries, such as India, he speculated, may be forming their fleet by purchasing both Russia's T-50 and US F-35. The Russian-Indian plane may dominate in the markets of South-East Asia and some states of the Middle East and South-West Asia, as well as Maghreb countries - the traditional customers of Soviet and Russian aviation technologies.

Under the optimistic scenario batch supplies, he believes, may begin in 2016-2020, and initial combat readiness, achieved in two or three years after that.

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14819433
 

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couldn't understand please elaborate . if you have a decent RWR then how would you become a victim without knowing you are a victim??
May be he means things other than radar like OLS. For radar guided missiles your point makes sense.
 

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May be he means things other than radar like OLS. For radar guided missiles your point makes sense.
the talk was about radar stealth , moreover even pak-fa is supposed to have IR signature reduction.
 

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Escape is only an option, as in 'fight or flight' response. But in order to 'escape' a threat, you have to FIRST be aware of the threat, then decide on the response. Rear aspect RCS is important in that it will determent the level of difficulty for the aggressor radar to identify you BEFORE he can threaten you. So...As far as radar detection goes...If you have a small head but a big ass, you can become a victim without knowing you are a victim.
How does rear aspect RCS matter to an agressor radar? Unless you have your ass facing their nose it won't even come up. You should already have control of the airspace behind you.
 

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How does rear aspect RCS matter to an agressor radar? Unless you have your ass facing their nose it won't even come up. You should already have control of the airspace behind you.
What if you are making a deep penetration strike at some strategic target. I am assuming here that since the target is deep inside the enemy territory there might be operational SAM batteries & even airfields (may be slightly off the flight path). These may choose to engage after the aggressor has crossed them so that it does not have the option to turn back and run. This would be more important in an Indian perspective (India Vs Pak/China) as we don't have long range cruise missiles to do the job. If ballistic missiles are used I don't think the enemy is going to wait for it to detonate to see if it has a nuclear or non nuclear payload, we would probably have a nuclear war as soon as the missile launch is detected. So that option cannot be used.
 

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Ok.
But does the scenario I have mentioned in the previous post look realistic?
doesn't seem so , if they try to come from behind you, don't they leave their own ass uncovered , which is vulnerable to your reserves? Moreover when you're on a high risk deep penetration mission, wouldn't you know beforehand where you can be attacked from and device counter strategies?
 

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Picture of apparent carrier based configuration of PAK-FA from IDRW


The PAKFA will certainly have the thrust required to take off from carriers,this bird could make the In unchallenged in Asia overnight
 
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