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For those of you that missed it:




Tikhomirov-NIIP's unveiling of the PAK FA's 'upgraded' IRBIS-e radar with APAA at the MAKS-2009.
 
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I hope you will like these HIGH resolution PAK/FGFA !

I was absent for quite some time and I'll be back as soon as I can

Till than here is gift for you my friends! :)









 

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^^^^^ Thanks Jako, if you don't mind I added these to the Military wallpaper thread.
 
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Welcome back JAKO ...:)

Where were you? in russia covering PAK FA first flight :D
 

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Guys, is it me only seeing it or can you see it too.It seems to have ~ shaped air inducts.The entrance to the engines has also been shaped for stealth.
 

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Guys, is it me only seeing it or can you see it too.It seems to have ~ shaped air inducts.The entrance to the engines has also been shaped for stealth.


This is what it seems like .... the first bump can be seen from the front view and the second bump is most probably made by the main landing gear.
 

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http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/139755

"Men Who Stare at Goats" Psychic Spies Remote Viewed Russian Stealth Program

Gary S. BekkumFebruary 02, 2010

In 1987, Defense Intelligence Agency psychic spy "remote viewing" sessions targeted Russian stealth research. Now Russia has revealed a "fifth generation" prototype stealth jet, which appears related to the psychic spy report.

STARpod.org -- A new "fifth generation" prototype for a Russian stealth jet aircraft has been revealed to the public.

According to reports, the technology behind this latest fighting machine has been under development for twenty years.

According to the Russian website RIA Novosti, " The new fighter's exterior was designed using Stealth technology, also known as LO technology (low observable technology)."

In a curious twist of fate, the Defense Intelligence Agency "psychic spy" program may have provided the first glimpse into the new Russian T-50 stealth jet fighter.

The Russian news source Pravada reported, "The maiden flight of Russia´s fifth generation fighter jet ended successfully ... There are still no specific details about the new plane. Experts only say that it is a highly maneuverable, multifunctional and powerful stealthy aircraft. Eight of 16 missile suspension points sit inside the fuselage. Sukhoi´s T-50 PAK FA can attack multiple air and ground-based targets simultaneously."



In the late 1980s, the American Defense Intelligence Agency tasked their psychic spies against various suspected Soviet technology programs. Among the reports which have since been declassified by the CIA, are details of a Soviet-era Russian stealth aircraft and spacecraft development program.

The DIA psychic spy provided drawings and descriptions which resemble the new Russian aircraft.

STARstream Research has published the original five-page DIA SECRET report
.(http://www.starpod.org/news/1001292.htm)

The DIA tasked their psychic spy's handler, to "Describe the counterpart to the U.S. stealth aircraft."

The psychic, code named 011, was identified by former DIA remote viewer Paul Smith as Mel Riley.

It appears from the document that Mr. Riley was not informed that he was looking for a stealth design, however, he reported his target involved "stealth" resulting in his being "read on" to the tasking.

Riley produced drawings of a test model which included a dual engine design similar to the engine shown on the T-50 prototype.

For more information, and to view original STAR GATE documents, please visithttp://www.starpod.org/
 
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not only this forum. you go to any indian forum, you would see the same. does not make a diiference to the contest. ultimately it is the IAF and GOI who will decide and going by the recent history both are looking the US way!!!!
That is exactly the reason why I called F-16 underdog. F-16 is not a popular choice among Indian people though people's choice does not matter. If F-16 wins, it will be a huge surprise to many.
 

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Ok a generic question (was not sure where to put) : What is the meaning of empty weight, loaded weight, useful load & maximum weight for fighter planes. Often see these figures but not sure about these except the empty weight and I am assuming useful load is fuel + weapons. Can someone clarify? Especially maximum take-off weight. What is this useful for?
eg for PAK FA from wiki:
Empty weight: 18,500 kg (40,785 lb)
Loaded weight: 26,000 kg (57,320 lb)
Useful load: 7,500 kg (combat load) (16,534 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 37,000 kg (81,570 lb)

the wiki explanation for maximum take-off weight was not very helpful.
 

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Guys keep F 16 and MRCA saga out of this thread.
 

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sri, can all the F-16 related posts be moved to MRCA thread?
 

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Ok a generic question (was not sure where to put) : What is the meaning of empty weight, loaded weight, useful load & maximum weight for fighter planes. Often see these figures but not sure about these except the empty weight and I am assuming useful load is fuel + weapons. Can someone clarify? Especially maximum take-off weight. What is this useful for?
eg for PAK FA from wiki:
Empty weight: 18,500 kg (40,785 lb)
Loaded weight: 26,000 kg (57,320 lb)
Useful load: 7,500 kg (combat load) (16,534 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 37,000 kg (81,570 lb)

the wiki explanation for maximum take-off weight was not very helpful.
Empty Weight : it is the weight without any payload (weapons) and externally mounted pods (laser designating pods/EW suites). empty weight is also referred to as DRY weight.
Max Take Off weight : it includes Empty Weight + the weight of max payload it is designed for and the externally mounted pods, if any.
Useful Load : though aircrafts are designed for a certain max payload, in practice - to avoid stress to the a/c and conserve its life, they do not carry max payload. only during wars that can happen. useful load is that weight which is not max load. this is decided by the Airforces who operate them.
Loaded Weight : Empty weight + Useful Load.
 

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Empty Weight : it is the weight without any payload (weapons) and externally mounted pods (laser designating pods/EW suites). empty weight is also referred to as DRY weight.
Max Take Off weight : it includes Empty Weight + the weight of max payload it is designed for and the externally mounted pods, if any.
Useful Load : though aircrafts are designed for a certain max payload, in practice - to avoid stress to the a/c and conserve its life, they do not carry max payload. only during wars that can happen. useful load is that weight which is not max load. this is decided by the Airforces who operate them.
Loaded Weight : Empty weight + Useful Load.
What about fuel load??
 

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What about fuel load??
a good question. as for my post above, i include it in an obvious sense.

however there is a bit of confusion about what constitues EMPTY WEIGHT!! take a look at this and deduce yourself.

Basic aircraft empty weight is the weight of an aircraft without taking into account any baggage, passengers, or usable fuel. Basic empty weight includes all fluids necessary for operation such as engine oil, engine coolant, and unusable fuel.

Some manufacturers define Basic Empty Weight as "The Basic Empty Weight includes optional equipment. [i.e. GPS, cargo basket, spotlight.]"

"Standard Empty Weight" being the weight of the aircraft with full operating fluids, full engine oil and unusable fuel. Also may be referred to as "Factory Weight" because this is the weight of an aircraft when it leaves the factory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_aircraft_empty_weight
 

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Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Takes to the Sky
written by: Roger McDermott , 04-Feb-10

In this image made from a TV screen and provided by APTN, a Russian-made Sukhoi T-50 prototype fifth-generation fighter jet is seen during a test flight near the Siberian city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Russia on Friday, Jan. 29, 2010. On January 29, the prototype Russian fifth generation Prospective Aircraft Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAK FA) "T-50" finally completed a successful 45 minute test flight in Komsomolsk-na-Amurye. The stealth multirole fighter was developed by OKB Sukhoi (experimental design bureau) to replace MiG-29 and Su-27's and is reportedly analogous to the US F-22 (Raptor). Mikhail Pogosyan, Sukhoi's Director-General, praised the aircraft's maiden flight, saying that it marked a breakthrough for the Russian aviation industry (Rossiya 24, January 29).
Indeed, the reported technical specifications of the aircraft are impressive. It has a maximum supersonic cruising speed of 2,100 kilometers (km) per hour, and a flight range of 5,500 km. It employs stealth technologies to significantly reduce its signature in all fields, uses modern smart avionics, flies in all-weather conditions day and night, and is highly maneuverable even with heavy loads. The fighter can conduct simultaneous attacks on air targets and ground facilities with precision weapons. The PAK FA can take off and land using short runways, only 300 to 400 meters in length, while its powerful onboard computing system, when completed, will maximize automation and provide the pilot with several options in performing his combat mission. The most sensitive issue relates to its ordinance, which has been rumored to include using missiles stored within its hull (similar to the Tu-160 strategic bomber) in order to maximize its stealth capabilities (www.gazeta.ru, December 11, 2009; Nezavisimoye Voyennoye Obozreniye, www.deyta.ru, January 29).
This latter feature, closely protected from prematurely entering the public domain, seems consistent with the aircraft's appearance. Images of its test flight broadcast on Rossiya 1 and Rossiya 24 reveal a flatter and wider frame than the F-22 (Rossiya 1, Rossiya 24, January 29). It also has eight suspension points under the wings and fuselage for missiles.
While, the test flight, and its surrounding publicity, will provide a welcome boost for the Russian air force (Voyenno Vozdushnye Sily -VVS), after numerous delays and design setbacks, it still remains some years away from procurement. Prime Minister Vladimir Putin lost no time in demanding that it must reach the air force by 2013, however, it is unlikely that he appreciates the technical issues involved. Army-General Vladimir Popovkin, the Chief of Armaments and Deputy Defense Minister, considers that given favorable conditions it might enter service within five to seven years. Defense experts, such as Anatoliy Tsyganok, the Director of the Center for Military Forecasting, believe that this is unrealistic. In December 2009, Tsyganok suggested that only the wings and engine were ready, and if that was correct, the test flight was essentially a publicity stunt to display progress on the frame of the aircraft, while much work remains in terms of its avionics and other technical features. Moreover, the engine in use on the PAK FA was most likely previous generation, which follows earlier Russian prototype design patterns; though this will be resolved it is another factor slowing its introduction into service (RIA Novosti, January 29; www.gazeta.ru, December 11, 2009).
One notable aspect relates to the radar complex, which although at an advanced stage, is still undergoing trials on a different platform: the Su-35S. The active phased antenna array radar complex will require further refinement, planning five embedded antennas, and while these development issues are ongoing, the estimated cost is spiraling, already reaching $10 billion (Nezavisimoye Voyennoye Obozreniye, January 29).
Konstantin Makiyenko, a member of the State Duma Defense Council's Scientific Expert Council and an analyst at the Moscow-based Center of Analysis of Strategy and Technologies (CAST) estimated that 150 to 200 fifth generation fighters might be purchased in the period 2025 to 2030, depending on the future performance of the Russian economy. Many of the new fighters will enter service in the Indian air force, and the test flight was most likely also geared toward the export market, while forming the backbone of Russian fighter technology for the next forty years. According to Makiyenko a "normal" level of budget funding only reached the fifth generation fighter project in 2005, facilitating measurable progress. The project has nevertheless, enabled the domestic aviation design capacity to survive (Moskovskiy Komsomolets, January 27).
While the development of the new fighter may have economic justifications, including export potential, the basic question is why does the Russian state require such advanced platforms? Makiyenko, links this to the uncertain future facing the country, as well as the unpredictable nature of emerging threats. He also implied that it serves as a warning to states pursuing anti-Russian foreign policies, asserting:
"Our country borders a number of states that are pursuing a demonstrably Russophobe foreign policy. F-35 fighters may well turn up in the inventories of some of these states during the coming 15 to 20 years. While in the Far East certain neighbors have territorial claims on Russia, and it is entirely probable that these states will also possess fifth-generation fighters, including those in the heavy class" (Moskovskiy Komsomolets, January 27).
Despite the design of fifth generation fighters being plagued with many delays, it is a sign of the growing confidence of the Russian political leadership that such ventures are becoming more realistic. Equally, following Carl Von Clausewitz's famous dictum, "war is nothing but the continuation of policy by other means," neighboring states pursuing "Russophobic" policies are being publicly warned about the possible future consequences. Its sense of urgency, however, might also be driven by the poor performance of the VVS during the Russia-Georgia war in August 2008, when a large proportion of the dumb bombs it dropped did not explode, as well as bombing disused Georgian airfields (Vaziani and Kopitnari).
However, as the ongoing Russian military reform forges ahead relentlessly, the VVS has been buoyed by its recent inter-service victory at the expense of the airborne forces (Vozdushno Desantnye Voiska -VDV). On January 28, the defense ministry announced that air components of the VDV as well as the Space Forces and the Radiation, Chemical and Bacteriological Protection Forces have been subordinated to the VVS. Lieutenant-General Vladimir Shamanov, the commander of the VDV was known to advocate the airborne forces retaining and strengthening its transport aviation, and the decision is arguably a setback for the VDV (Interfax, January 28).


http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/showArticle3.cfm?article_id=18200&topicID=57
 

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India to open talks with Russia on stealth aircraft


After favouring the U.S. for its recent purchases of hi-tech military equipment, India has now turned to Russia, its old supplier, for the next generation fighter aircraft.

PAK FA, Russia’s fifth generation fighter, which boasts of radar evasion characteristics, made its maiden flight only late last month.

India inked an agreement with Russia for jointly developing this aircraft, but the time taken to complete the paperwork meant that 70 per cent of the plane was already developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. Now India has planned to enter the project mid-way. It will discuss the development schedule for the coming years and the number of aircraft it requires with Deputy Prime Minister and Russia’s India point man S.S. Sobyanin when he visits India by the middle of this month, senior government sources said.

Though its force levels are depleting, the Indian Air Force wants to ensure that the replacements are world-class and the best in the region. The 250-plus Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft to be inducted gradually over the next decade fit the bill, and so will the 126 frontline multi-role fighter aircraft, which India plans to buy and for which six vendors are in the fray.

PAK FA, billed as a competitor to F-22 Raptor, developed by the U.S., is expected go into mass production after at least five years. The striking feature of this aircraft is its stealth characteristics: radars will find it tough to spot it. It will also be able to take off from short airstrips and remain in the air for longer than the current fighters in the inventory of air forces around the world. What has attracted India to the project is the cost factor: it will be a lot cheaper to make than F-22.

Besides the talks on the aircraft, the military-technical team accompanying Mr. Sobyanin will hold discussions on more T-90 tanks, the naval version of MiG-29, Sukhoi-30 MKI and the multi-role transport aircraft project, said the sources.

The two sides have agreed on the price for refurbishing the aircraft carrier Gorshkov. Russia is poised to deliver more frigates to the Indian Navy. It will also transfer a nuclear-powered submarine to India by the middle of this year.

Recently India has favoured the U.S. while buying medium and heavy-lift planes and long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft. U.S. companies are also in the race for several types of helicopters and refuelling planes. But officials say the list of military ventures with Russia is still longer and more varied.
 

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How long has the PAK-FA or T-50 been flying?

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2010/02/06/how-long-has-the-pak-fa-or-t-50-been-flying/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrikeyBlogs+%28Crikey+Blogs%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher


Did this PAK-FA or T-50 (above) take to the sky for the first time on January 29, or is there another element to the stealth characteristics of the Russian answer to the Joint Strike Fighter or JSF F-35 on which the future air superiority of Australia depends?

This note is being circulated by Peter Goon, the co-founder of Airpower Australia.

Now having reviewed the many images and videos of the PAK-FA that are now available in the public domain, it is now possible to state, if this image has not been modified by the removal of details on the control surfaces of the aircraft, then the attached photo image is not from the first ‘public’ flight of the PAK-FA T-50 aircraft on the 29th of January, 2010.

Also, due to differences in other details between this image and images from the first ‘public’ flight, there is a distinct possibility this is likely an in flight photo image of a PAK-FA prototype aircraft other than the one that flew the first ‘public’ flight.
This is but one small part of the analysis that goes to show that those who think Sukhoi have a long way to go and many risks to overcome to develop this aircraft to operational status are card bearing members of the “don’t know what they don’t know about things they are not equipped to understand” part of our society.

As ever, the devil is in the details.

In terms of wake-up call for national pride, let alone strategic threat, the advent of the PAK-FA T-50 should rankle at the same level as the radio signals beamed back to earth by the orbiting Sputnik satellite.

The alarms in people’s heads should sound doubly loud given the direction the Gate’s OSD and those who have occupied that office are now taking US TACAIR and overall Air Power capabilities.

What is most curious and one of the sustained harmonics of these ringing alarm bells is the number of those who have passed through the Office of the Secretary of Defense who had worked for and, now, either work in or consult for Lockheed Martin Corporation.

A similar observation can be made for other US Government departments such as Justice and State.This all keeps getting curioser and curiouser while the alarm bells keep ringing louder and louder.

After reading this note I question whether there is more than one T-50 involved in the full Russian language version of the shorter english language edit included in our initial report, and the animated discussion that followed.

Several things can be said with confidence. The photos and videos that flooded the public domain with what has to have been official blessings include at least one that was almost certainly not taken during the ‘official’ first flight, and is most likely of a different T-50
 

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