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Thanks for reply. What is the difference between sniper and marksman rifle
Sniper and marksmen rifles are both specilised weapons built for accuracy. However, sniper is absolutely built for accuracy only, when marksman rifles has to have accuracy and higher rates of fire too. Sniper rifles are either bolt-action or semi auto, as automatic recoil spoils the aim for the next shot. Marksman rifles are almost always semi-auto and some like Galil have auto mode too.

To understand concept or sniper rifle and marksman rifle, you have to understand the different concept of sniper and marksman. I wish @Kunal Biswas was active to correctly explain it.

A sniper almost always works either in pair or alone, in rare cases; when a marksman operates with rhe squad. A sniper's primary objective is to take out valuable targets of enemy from distance, with enemy snipers at the highest priority. A marksman's objective is to provide with accurate firing to his squad, and sinec he is integral to the squad and doesn't work in isolation like sniper and his spotter, his weapon needs to have a higher rate of fire.

The difference is subtle, but when you rhink of it, you will see both sets need different sets of skills aside from accuracy of shooting.

Actually, @Ray sir once told that Indian army did not have any dedicated sniper training school, but marksman training is done. I guess that is why Dragonov, being a semi auto and having parts interchangeable with AK47, has been chosen for IA.

Still I may be wrong. @ALBY, @pmaitra, @bengalraider, @Shaitan @SajeevJino @rock127 @ghost et al, if you guys find I am wring or more info is needed, please educate.
 

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My 2 cents on it:

Difference between marksman and sniper:

A sniper is a specialised person who not only specialised in shooting skills but also in many other traits, such as intelligence gathering,concealment,identifing targets,communication,how to get in and get out of hostile enemy area undetected and whole set of other skills.A sniper generally work in small team in which there is an observer ,sniper and security provider .Snipers operates in their own team but they can be attached to fireteams on special mission or request,they generally stalk from an overwatch or concealed postion.Their weapons ,gear,clothing,equipment all are specialised to suit their needs.They have different variety of equipments and wepons available to them to choose from as per there mission requirement.Sniper are a special breed , it takes a lot more than just being a good shooter to become a sniper.



A marksman is the best shooter in a fireteam .He is the part of regular fireteam , apart from some training to enhance his shooting skills he does not specacilize in any other set of skills and is similar to regular infantry soldier.They are mobile and move along with the rest of the fireteam.The main purpose of marksman is to enhance range of the fire team and to take down importan target as directed during firefight such as machine gunner,sniper,enemy leader or some other important target as ordered by his team leader.His gear ,clothes are similar to other members of fireteam.In short, he is a regular infantry soldier with enhanced shooting skills.



Difference between Sniper rifle and marksman rifle:


Sniper rifle:

A sniper rifle is a specialized rifle built specifically to enhance range and accuracy.It has longer barrel,specalize design,stock ,trigger,bipod and many other features design specially to facitlate pinpoint accuracy.They vary from being bolt action , semiautomatic or antimaterial rifles.It uses specialized ammo.It has special scopes with enhanced magnification , range correction and many other features.The main purpose of sniper rifle is to provide pin point accuracy at all ranges.


Marksman rifle:

This is generally an assault rifle with slightly longer barrel and a scope with some magnification.It is semiautomatic and some cases automatic,it generally uses the same ammo as the rest of fireteam.Even though it has slightly enhance range it is not as long as a dedicated sniper rifle.Nowadays people have started manufacturing specialize marksman rifle which have some additional features to improve accuracy.The main purpose of marksman rifle is to enhance range of the fireteam.It has a greater range than assault rifle but less than a sniper rifle.There are many rifles which are used by both snipers and marksman such as M14 rifle with scope and M110 rifle.


For example:



Assault rifle

TAR

http://www.israel-weapon.com/?catid={BDF8B480-250B-483B-8773-3C644E6C251C}


Marksman rifle

STAR

http://www.israel-weapon.com/default.asp?catid={ADB9A328-E47F-4ACC-A4E1-2A0AC2E3CEE8}


Sniper rifle

Galil sniper SA


http://www.israel-weapon.com/default.asp?catid={FC704F52-0DBF-48E6-A23F-650EFA687FDC}




US sniper.



US marksman.



Rifle with scope is marksman rifle(STAR) while other one is assault rifle(TAR)





RR marksman with Dragunov SVD.




Indian SF sniper with galil.
 

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The difference is subtle, but when you rhink of it, you will see both sets need different sets of skills aside from accuracy of shooting.
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Actually, @Ray sir once told that Indian army did not have any dedicated sniper training school, but marksman training is done. I guess that is why Dragonov, being a semi auto and having parts interchangeable with AK47, has been chosen for IA.

Still I may be wrong. @ALBY, @pmaitra, @bengalraider, @Shaitan @SajeevJino @rock127 @ghost et al, if you guys find I am wring or more info is needed, please educate.
Not many parts are interchangeable with the AKM, but Dragunov can use the PKM 7.62x54R rounds.

It is very important to understand the differences between what went into making the Kalashnikov and what went into making the Dragunov. Kalashnikov was a soldier, while Dragunov was an engineer whose job was to make rifles for sporting events, such as the Olympics.


My 2 cents on it:

Difference between marksman and sniper:

A sniper is a specialised person who not only specialised in shooting skills but also in many other traits, such as intelligence gathering,concealment,identifing targets,communication,how to get in and get out of hostile enemy area undetected and whole set of other skills.A sniper generally work in small team in which there is an observer ,sniper and security provider .Snipers operates in their own team but they can be attached to fireteams on special mission or request,they generally stalk from an overwatch or concealed postion.Their weapons ,gear,clothing,equipment all are specialised to suit their needs.They have different variety of equipments and wepons available to them to choose from as per there mission requirement.Sniper are a special breed , it takes a lot more than just being a good shooter to become a sniper.



A marksman is the best shooter in a fireteam .He is the part of regular fireteam , apart from some training to enhance his shooting skills he does not specacilize in any other set of skills and is similar to regular infantry soldier.They are mobile and move along with the rest of the fireteam.The main purpose of marksman is to enhance range of the fire team and to take down importan target as directed during firefight such as machine gunner,sniper,enemy leader or some other important target as ordered by his team leader.His gear ,clothes are similar to other members of fireteam.In short, he is a regular infantry soldier with enhanced shooting skills.
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Difference between Sniper rifle and marksman rifle:
Sniper rifle:

A sniper rifle is a specialized rifle built specifically to enhance range and accuracy.It has longer barrel,specalize design,stock ,trigger,bipod and many other features design specially to facitlate pinpoint accuracy.They vary from being bolt action , semiautomatic or antimaterial rifles.It uses specialized ammo.It has special scopes with enhanced magnification , range correction and many other features.The main purpose of sniper rifle is to provide pin point accuracy at all ranges.


Marksman rifle:

This is generally an assault rifle with slightly longer barrel and a scope with some magnification.It is semiautomatic and some cases automatic,it generally uses the same ammo as the rest of fireteam.Even though it has slightly enhance range it is not as long as a dedicated sniper rifle.Nowadays people have started manufacturing specialize marksman rifle which have some additional features to improve accuracy.The main purpose of marksman rifle is to enhance range of the fireteam.It has a greater range than assault rifle but less than a sniper rifle.There are many rifles which are used by both snipers and marksman such as M14 rifle with scope and M110 rifle.
Here, the differences are blurred and subjective.

It is true, a marksman's rifle is generally an accurate assault rifle with a scope. The pictures below depict the FN-FAL with a scope, although the source from which this is borrowed calls this a sniper rifle.


Indian Army sniper/marksman with an FN-FAL


Indian Army snipers/marksmen with FN-FALs


RR marksman with Dragunov SVD.
That is more about the role of the user, not about the rifle being used. Dragunov is, by its official designation, a sniper rifle.

In short, here are the sniper rifles used by the Indian Army (excluding special forces and forces not under the Ministry of Defence, such as BSF, etc.)
  • Heckler & Koch MSG90 Sniper Rifle (7.62 x 51 NATO)
  • Mauser SP66 Sniper Rifle (7.62 x 51 NATO)
  • SVD-59 Dragunov Sniper Rifle (7.62 x 54R)

Of the three rifles above, if we look at the rounds they fire, the Dragunov is the most distinguished as a sniper rifle, while the other two are in the gray area, and can be considered both, a sniper rifle as well as a marksman's rifle. The basic point is, there is not much to differentiate between the two.

Here is an example:

Indian Army sniper with a Dragunov

Here is an important thread: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/snipers-in-indian-army.12127/

Please read the posts by @Kunal Biswas and @Ray Sir. They are authoritative.
 

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Good place to test your skills..........................
 

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Scope in insas assault rifle is for what reason ??
Dear Sameet,
This optic is an add on to increase the accuracy at long distance. Generally INSAS does have an effective range of 400 metre. But just imagine shooting at a target the size of an potato (human head when he is at prone stance) at that distance. But when you have to adjust it for extended range of 700 to 800 metre (in special cases), then you need to have an add on.
You would not see it in general cases.
 

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They are not so good though but this is not in mass production either !
 
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Dear Sameet,
This optic is an add on to increase the accuracy at long distance. Generally INSAS does have an effective range of 400 metre. But just imagine shooting at a target the size of an potato (human head when he is at prone stance) at that distance. But when you have to adjust it for extended range of 700 to 800 metre (in special cases), then you need to have an add on.
You would not see it in general cases.
With that type of scope you will only able to hit 300 to 400 metre accurately and that too you need to have good skill.

for ranges at 700 to 800 requires really good rifle, bolt action with .308 WIN rounds
 
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With that type of scope you will only able to hit 300 to 400 metre accurately and that too you need to have good skill.

for ranges at 700 to 800 requires really good rifle, bolt action with .308 WIN rounds
Not true at all,

Sniper operates as 2 man team with spotter.

SDM or Squad Desiginated Marksman operates as part of a fireteam or hq section of a squad of 15-20men.

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US Marine are qualified to 500yd or 450m with just iron sights.

at 7-800m it is more that intermediate rounds lose potency & drop a lot otherwise it is possible to get hits from that range.

Future rounds like 6.5mm grendel easily hit out that far.
 

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Not true at all,

Sniper operates as 2 man team with spotter.

SDM or Squad Desiginated Marksman operates as part of a fireteam or hq section of a squad of 15-20men.

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US Marine are qualified to 500yd or 450m with just iron sights.

at 7-800m it is more that intermediate rounds lose potency & drop a lot otherwise it is possible to get hits from that range.

Future rounds like 6.5mm grendel easily hit out that far.
Sorry my bad, I feel the necessity to make sense.
 

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Other thing is usually sniper uses full rifle round, with very long barrel & heavy 150+gr bullets.

Sdm will use same caliber as rest of squad but with heavier bullet points longer barrel.

I.e 22" m16 & 77gr bullet vs 14.5" m4 & 63gr bullet. Both 5.56x45 like Insas.
 

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Actually, @Ray sir once told that Indian army did not have any dedicated sniper training school, but marksman training is done. I guess that is why Dragonov, being a semi auto and having parts interchangeable with AK47, has been chosen for IA.

Still I may be wrong. et al, if you guys find I am wring or more info is needed, please educate.
Did you see my reply to you yesterday Jackprince? It has since been deleted by a moderator, who shan't be named, who'd have given you some bogus information which I was correcting.

The term Designated Marksmen's rifle, was coined, quite recently, by the Americans to describe their continued use of scoped M14's and their acquisition of SR25's.

As opposed to what some (one) poster would have you believe, doesn't really matter much whether the Dragunov is called a sniper rifle, or whatever, nor has the Mauser 66, or any bolt action rifle, ever been described as a Designated Marksmen rIfle.

The rifles are what they are and various users doctrines for them, surprisingly enough, vary.

Can't really be bothered writing more as this will probably be deleted
 

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With that type of scope you will only able to hit 300 to 400 metre accurately and that too you need to have good skill.

for ranges at 700 to 800 requires really good rifle, bolt action with .308 WIN rounds
That's the reason I said it as an add on. It's not used to gauge the target, it does only help to magnify the target at a distance.
 

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A video of a former record of longest sniper shot.
 

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Is Bipod for rifles allowed in India,i know scopes are common and civilians can easily buy them,i have an OFB .315 RIFLE and a US M1 carbine ( licensed in 80s from surplus arms surrendered in east pakistan)

Also how to jungle camo a gun which has wood polish,do we need sandpaper for that ?
 
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Is Bipod for rifles allowed in India,i know scopes are common and civilians can easily buy them,i have an OFB .315 RIFLE and a US M1 carbine ( licensed in 80s from surplus arms surrendered in east pakistan)

Also how to jungle camo a gun which has wood polish,do we need sandpaper for that ?
 
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You post a foreign SF pic on an indian thread of the same weapon India just got.
I agree with your POV in those posts but just a slight correction,
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It is not Italian Scorpion in .338 but Russian Orsis T-5000 rifle in .308

http://blog.gruppa-l.com/orsis-t-5000/

https://www.rbth.com/news/2016/07/0...armed-forces-to-operate-russian-rifles_609567


Unfortunately some of these also went in hands of ISIS terrorshits so both sides are using these rifles in good numbers.
Also used by Iranians,Nigerians and so.
 

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