Small arms and Light Weapons

[Shaitan]

I said that beacuse they were not in uniform and there are a number of insurgent groups in the NE that have weapons looted from our security forces.
How could I distinguish them if they were wearing casuals ?

Oh, alright I understand.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

He got a very exotic test for camos too..



Also the rest of the pics..

 

[Mustang]

The black Insas looks pretty cool. But indian army being not so impressed with the rifle nowadays, I hope the OFB does something to reduce the weight of INSAS.

I dont know what design practices the OFB uses, but do hope that they use advanced simulation software tools like Altair Optistruct whose sole purpose is to optimize and reduce the weight of any component. I am sure there are many engineers in this forum (almost all are engineers nowadays:happy_2 particularly mechanical engineers who would have heard of this software. The details of this can be seen in Altairs website.

That butt itself must weigh significantly. Hope they use polymer whereever it is possible and also make the butt adjustable

 

[JBH22]

The first series of M-16 were equally look down upon during the Vietnam war note that after years of modification it still here OFB should work in that sense. But having said that if army find INSAS as a dead end so no options gotta change either for another local design or license production of foreign rifle..
Btw which assault rifle could replace INSAS??
i like the G-36 seems pretty good don't know if its rugged though

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Btw which assault rifle could replace INSAS??
i like the G-36 seems pretty good don't know if its rugged though

G-36 is same as Insas in terms of maintence and accuracy, though i doubt abt inbult reflex sights..
I like SAR-21 or Steyr AUG, but i hope DRDO get us the new rifle..

The black Insas looks pretty cool. But indian army being not so impressed with the rifle nowadays, I hope the OFB does something to reduce the weight of INSAS.

IA regulars are happy ( Infantry ) the Black Insas is no different than orange one, we don't want shinny black rifle , But dull black or carbon black, anything which can give good camo, weight is ok but the length needs to be reduce ( Bullpup )..

I dont know what design practices the OFB uses,

It use 5.56nato some internal stuff are copy of AKM to make the rifle cheap, gas system is from FAL..

 

[Mustang]

OFB is at a disadvantage for starting off late in designing an Assault Rifle when something like M-16 (comparable to INSAS) was there many decades before.

But then again army has to think when pakistan is planning to acquire a new assault rifle and G-36 is one of the contenders for it. It will be INSAS vs G-36 (if it is acquired by PA) in case of a war and G-36 clearly has an upper hand. So even army cannot be blamed.

So the solution must like somewhere in between, i.e., there has to be some compromise from both sides.

Army shouldn't ignore INSAS completely. It should be bought atleast to significant levels and OFB must start looking for optimizing the INSAS in its subsequent versions.

 

[Mustang]

It use 5.56nato some internal stuff are copy of AKM to make the rifle cheap, gas system is from FAL..

Hello Kunal,

I was talking about design methodologies used in OFB (which focuses on reducing the weight mainly )and not about the specifications.

Mustang

 

[Kunal Biswas]

OFB is at a disadvantage for starting off late in designing an Assault Rifle when something like M-16 (comparable to INSAS) was there many decades before.

IA is not at a disadvantage position right now , I would say M16 is better interms of barrel length and hard hitting, but longer than Insas, Insas is more like Galil and FN-FNC, Yes one thing is their that PLA got better than before still that bullpup need refinements, Globally we are going smooth, many countries in Europe using traditional rifles deign which are cambered for 5.56mm or 7.62M43..

But then again army has to think when pakistan is planning to acquire a new assault rifle and G-36 is one of the contenders for it. It will be INSAS vs G-36 (if it is acquired by PA) in case of a war and G-36 clearly has an upper hand. So even army cannot be blamed.

PA is not the concernt but PLA is..
What are the factor make G-36 is superior to Insas,
PS. i am very familiar to Insas and i do have a touch with TAR-21..

Army shouldn't ignore INSAS completely. It should be bought atleast to significant levels and OFB must start looking for optimizing the INSAS in its subsequent versions.

IA regulars are happy with Insas, i hope to see Insas MK-2, though DRDO is Also cooking some gud stuff..
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php/12317-Bullpup-Assault-Rifles..?p=172217#post172217

 

[JBH22]

@kunal how would you compare INSAS with the other rifles you got to see

 

[Logan]

I came across somewhere that the G36 was facing reliability problems in the extreme weather conditions in Afghanistan.That is why the German army was ready to move over to HK416.Also i think that it is not a good idea to induct the G36 in the IA now as the G36 is good but much better options are available for IA in the likes of TAR-21 and SAR-21 as Kunal Sir has just pointed out.But even if we stick to conventional design I think we should give the DRDO a chance to deliver since for an army as huge as India's a foreign import is just not feasible.

 

[Logan]

This is hopefully Pakistan's next.......

 

[Mustang]

PA is not the concernt but PLA is..
What are the factor make G-36 is superior to Insas,
PS. i am very familiar to Insas and i do have a touch with TAR-21..

I exagerrated when i said G36 is clearly way better than INSAS. But i think there are certain things which should make G36 superior. It's low weight when compared with INSAS and adjustable butt. There are other things where the G36 might be little better (atleast as per wikipedia), mainly the rate of fire and effective range.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

G36 superior. It's low weight when compared with INSAS and adjustable butt. There are other things where the G36 might be little better (atleast as per wikipedia), mainly the rate of fire and effective range.

@Mustang,
I use Insas, 4kg is ok, but what i feel, if possible the length needs to be reduce, Their are Insas folded ones which are in use by Mech Inf, And its range is good till 400m with Iron sights, with scopes you can shoot 500m..

G-36 do have all this quality but it is longer than Insas which is not good, Barrel length is slightly longer, And reflex on G-36 is really bad in mud, sand, water where Insas Iron sights just do the job, Overall it gives no big advantage over Insas..

In IA no one likes full auto except LMG, you cannot take good shot with full-auto, Three-round burst is more than enough also it saves ammo..

 

[Logan]

Looking at the PLA it is commendable how the Chinese have come up with a world class weapon in QBZ-95,,thus even our own weapon developers need a chance to upgrade the INSAS or bring about a replacement to the INSAS as self dependency in terms of arms is always sought by any country.

 

[ALBY]

Did special forces replaced all the ak 47s with tavors?Because there are only 3400 tavors in the indian arsenal and about 1000 are send for SFF and some are used by SOG.What is the status of vz58s used by army specops?

 

[sandeepdg]

Did special forces replaced all the ak 47s with tavors?Because there are only 3400 tavors in the indian arsenal and about 1000 are send for SFF and some are used by SOG.What is the status of vz58s used by army specops?

No mate, the special forces use a variety of weapons. They didn't replace all Ak-47s but yes, they are using many types of rifles and SMGs nowadays. This include the American M4A1, which is the standard issue rifle for American army troops, they use the Israeli Uzi, Micro Uzi, the German MP5, MP10, the Tavor, Micro tavor (MTAR-21), the FN2000, the P-90 and the Czech vz58. The Marcos also use the Sterling submachine gun, as well as most army units.

 

[ALBY]

did india still produces ak7 ?although i heard abt it never found it any where...in some pics actually bulgarian rifles are wrongly shown as ak7

 

[ALBY]

I dont think any production is going on in India..its true that there was some talks... and specops may have procured some of it.but never found any one of it in their hands except some ak101 with marcos

 

[ALBY]

could any one tell which are those snipers lying in the ground?seems that they are of vintage era..did they are used by indian forces?

 

[ALBY]

Is this carbine an upgradation of good old ak74u?