Small arms and Light Weapons

[Blademaster]

A little piece of cope for us after going for watered down AK-203 instead of what we could have gotten
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Image : It's the buttstock of Russia's most advanced rifle after firing GP-25.

Its due to the freezing cold. Cold made the metal brittle and combination with thermal stress caused it to develop a crack.

 

[Lonewarrior]

You are wrong on so many level

metal

First thing first; it's plastic not metal.

And if it would have been metal then the whole point of it breaking due to cold would have been moot. It takes extreme, extreme cold to make metal brittle. Something only possible in labs.

Fun fact : If the "metal" of buttstock became brittle due to cold then how is the metal of bolt able to withstand repeated pressure of 300MPa!?

freezing cold

The typical polymer used on firearm is polyamide or PA. More specifically, it's GRPA or glass reinforced polyamide.
The temperature at which GRPA starts to show signs of brittleness is almost -100° C. Failure happening at -190° C.

So the only reason it would had failed is either they are using sub-par polymer in place of say Nylon 6 or 66. Or perhaps the design itself is not adequate enough to withstand this amount of force due to the lack of sufficient cantilever support.

 

[Blademaster]

You are wrong on so many level


First thing first; it's plastic not metal.

And if it would have been metal then the whole point of it breaking due to cold would have been moot. It takes extreme, extreme cold to make metal brittle. Something only possible in labs.

Fun fact : If the "metal" of buttstock became brittle due to cold then how is the metal of bolt able to withstand repeated pressure of 300MPa!?


The typical polymer used on firearm is polyamide or PA. More specifically, it's GRPA or glass reinforced polyamide.
The temperature at which GRPA starts to show signs of brittleness is almost -100° C. Failure happening at -190° C.

So the only reason it would had failed is either they are using sub-par polymer in place of say Nylon 6 or 66. Or perhaps the design itself is not adequate enough to withstand this amount of force due to the lack of sufficient cantilever support.

The metal buttstock is not necessarily from the same forge that the bolt is. Polymer based products are still susceptible to thermal stress and cold. It depends on how the polymer was manufactured. If there was a defect in manufacturing, then cracks will occur. Occurs in all kinds of manufacturing. Nothing wrong with the design, just need quality control reviews in the manufacturing process.

 

[Johny_Baba]

A little piece of cope for us after going for watered down AK-203 instead of what we could have gotten
View attachment 188239
Image : It's the buttstock of Russia's most advanced rifle after firing GP-25.

know what's even worse, this "GEN 2" AK's pistol grip is extended into trigger guard as well as covering around that magazine lock/release part as well, just like how Galil ACE is,
basically replacing metal parts from those with polymer for "reasons"

 

[Lonewarrior]

reasons

Spoiler

 

[ManhattanProject]

A little piece of cope for us after going for watered down AK-203 instead of what we could have gotten
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Image : It's the buttstock of Russia's most advanced rifle after firing GP-25.

Russian Reliability...

 

[Corvus Splendens]

know what's even worse, this "GEN 2" AK's pistol grip is extended into trigger guard as well as covering around that magazine lock/release part as well, just like how Galil ACE is,
basically replacing metal parts from those with polymer for "reasons"

 

[Marliii]

@Johny_Baba

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Masada but better.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Glock made AR-15 derivative, they also confirmed its existence

say, since Glock enjoys quite good reputation and relations with our armed forces and police forces and so by selling thousands of Glock pistols in different configurations etc, perhaps they would also be ok with selling their AR just in case armed forces need to get some ?

of course we have SSS Defense making AR here at home but only time will tell about their fate

 

[Lonewarrior]

Glock made AR-15 derivative, they also confirmed its existence
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say, since Glock enjoys quite good reputation and relations with our armed forces and police forces and so by selling thousands of Glock pistols in different configurations etc, perhaps they would also be ok with selling their AR just in case armed forces need to get some ?

of course we have SSS Defense making AR here at home but only time will tell about their fate

Arree...so jaa re Baba

Waise bhi, Indian army will reject it as it doesn't take Glock magazines

 

[ManhattanProject]

Glock made AR-15 derivative, they also confirmed its existence
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say, since Glock enjoys quite good reputation and relations with our armed forces and police forces and so by selling thousands of Glock pistols in different configurations etc, perhaps they would also be ok with selling their AR just in case armed forces need to get some ?

of course we have SSS Defense making AR here at home but only time will tell about their fate

Our generals arent smart enough to take advantage of this. They probably dont understand the difference between AR and AK.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Our generals arent smart enough to take advantage of this. They probably dont understand the difference between AR and AK.

They know one is expensive other is cheap and both works fine.

Let's not forget we did evaluated AR and picked FAL later. At that time AKs were a better deal though which we picked up later. Both were top end rifles .

Unfortunately the transition to modern era couldn't happen.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Let's not forget we did evaluated AR and picked FAL later. At that time AKs were a better deal though which we picked up later. Both were top end rifles .

more than genruls it was politicians who ruined things back in 50s, remember how Gen Chaudhry wanted to induct self-loading rifles (FN49, FAL and dem early AR-10,AR-15 were presented to him etc) but renowend then raksha mantri denied it all citing "we don't want NATO weapon here..."
later FAL made through but Belgians did gendmasti and we revenged by kaapying british SLR sending them towards giga seethe, and then ICJ case happened and Nehru saved the day by persuading Belgians by providing them with compensation in way of buying MAG 58 MMGs off-the-self (which later we also got license ToT etc in long run) and all...

but at the end of day '62 war was fought with WW1 era .303 SMLEs and some FALs at some places and we later went ahead with 7.62 NATO Lee-Enfield derivative till 1967 at least when finally full scale production+adoption of local 1A SLR started

 

[Lonewarrior]

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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Heh they even managed to convince the Pentagon that every grunt needs a suppressor. As if undercutting all the competitors in .277 box prices wasn't enough. Don't forget the new standard issue scopes

 

[Flying Dagger]

more than genruls it was politicians who ruined things back in 50s, remember how Gen Chaudhry wanted to induct self-loading rifles (FN49, FAL and dem early AR-10,AR-15 were presented to him etc) but renowend then raksha mantri denied it all citing "we don't want NATO weapon here..."
later FAL made through but Belgians did gendmasti and we revenged by kaapying british SLR sending them towards giga seethe, and then ICJ case happened and Nehru saved the day by persuading Belgians by providing them with compensation in way of buying MAG 58 MMGs off-the-self (which later we also got license ToT etc in long run) and all...

but at the end of day '62 war was fought with WW1 era .303 SMLEs and some FALs at some places and we later went ahead with 7.62 NATO Lee-Enfield derivative till 1967 at least when finally full scale production+adoption of local 1A SLR started

Our army had good top brass then...

Though even Minus insas fiasco lots of other deals in small arms are dumb ones.

And now when ar 15 derivatives have reached perfection we are thinking about Aks.

Wanted Bren like solution but eventually ended up picking Sig and then AK.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Heh they even managed to convince the Pentagon that every grunt needs a suppressor

That's nothing compared to the fact that they convinced Pentagon to field a 80kpsi cartridge.

One can only imagine the rate at which they'll get subsequent contracts to replace the barrels.

 

[ManhattanProject]

That's nothing compared to the fact that they convinced Pentagon to field a 80kpsi cartridge.

One can only imagine the rate at which they'll get subsequent contracts to replace the barrels.

Only thing good that came out of the contract is the new machine gun. Its lighter than the m249 while also outgunning it.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

The whole NGSW was a big risk IMO, reduces logistics by a lot but forces the army back into same situation as in Veitnam where they lacked suppressing fire.