Small arms and Light Weapons

[Lonewarrior]

btw i swear i have seen similar design in other firearm, a rifle, where camming part was fixed and rather bolt was given camming track etc but just forgot the name at this moment...

Waffenfabrik Bern C42 🥱

But again, as I said

only service rifle

W+F Bern C42 was rejected in favour of SIG's

 

[ALBY]

 

[ALBY]

And (one of) the answer to that question is one the most basic topics of physics; torque.
Torque directly proportional to (as it is the product of) force and lever arm or the distance from the rotational axis the force is acting. The more torque you can generate on the bolt the more reliable the gun gets. The force that the gun can generate on the bolt is more or less the same for each gun; so the only variable left to manipulate torque is lever arm.

1. In case of AKs or AK based guns the lever arm is longest. Why? Because the force is applied on a cam that's mounted on one of the bolt lug. So the total length of lever arm becomes -
Radius of bolt stem + height of locking lug + cam pin; the maximum torque.

2. In case of AR-15 or AR-18 based guns the lever arm is shorter. The locking - unlocking force acts on a cam pin mounted on bolt stem. The length of lever arm - Radius of bolt stem + length of cam pin; tough less than AK but still

3. Now coming to Tavor. Tavor is the only service rifle where the cam pin is fixed and cam path is machined directly on the bolt shaft. The length of lever arm - Radius of bolt stem; that's it. It's the shortest in all the rifles so it generates the least of torque.

I know all this sounds boring so here's another way of explaining everything.
When IWI made Tavor the did that cam track on bolt stem and fixed cam pin thing. But after so many years of experience when they recently made Tavor 7 then they ditch that system in favour of typical AR-18 type cam pin arrangment.

Long lever arm didn’t help the Insas though

 

[ALBY]

Sureshot vs zenitco which makes good handguards?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Long lever arm didn’t help the Insas though

Who said INSAS is an assault rifle!?

No Sir
INSAS is a typical gf. If her mood is okay, she'll shoot one of the tightest group. If not then you'll get full auto on three round burst. And if you're lucky and everything goes well then she'll squirt oil on your face.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Sureshot vs zenitco which makes good handguards?

Sureshot Mk3

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Some fuck up happened with the SSS Defence YT account, so they made a new one and have reuploaded the .338 Sabre Sniper rifle video, production and test facility video again.

 

[Hari Sud]

Are we anywhere close to manufacturing Ak-203 rifle. The year 2022 is ending; hence the first Ak-203 made in India should be on the production line all ready to be handed over to the Army……

 

[NotASussyBoi]

Are we anywhere close to manufacturing Ak-203 rifle. The year 2022 is ending; hence the first Ak-203 made in India should be on the production line all ready to be handed over to the Army……

my good man once gta 6 releases ,we can expect ak 203 to be inducted

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Are we anywhere close to manufacturing Ak-203 rifle. The year 2022 is ending; hence the first Ak-203 made in India should be on the production line all ready to be handed over to the Army……

We are not going to manufacture any rifles this year.

Next Year

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

my good man once gta 6 releases ,we can expect ak 203 to be inducted

Or half life 3

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

We are not going to manufacture any rifles this year.

Next Year

But whose fault is that? The factory is up and running what kind of alien technology this gun has that it can't be manufactured without ruskies.
We already has 70k ak203 guns, how difficult is it to just clone that?

 

[BlackViking]

Y'all nibbiars any idea about what a 3 piece picatinny rail means?

Spoiler

Apparently there is tender for AKM upgrade in MHA.

@Johny_Baba @Lonewarrior @Aditya Ballal

 

[Aditya Ballal]

“Bangladesh Police's Armed Police Battalion (APBn) member holding Israeli TAVOR TAR-21 rifle (licence produced by India) during joint exercise.”

Hmmm

 

[Lonewarrior]

Y'all nibbiars any idea about what a 3 piece picatinny rail means?

Spoiler

Apparently there is tender for AKM upgrade in MHA.
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@Johny_Baba @Lonewarrior @Aditya Ballal

Whole world : Tri-rail handguard
Le Indian Perverted Babus : Three piece lingerie

Anyways, it simply means a handguard with picatinny rails on three sides; coz obviously you can mount a fourth rail on top of an unmodified AK as there is the gas tube.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

But whose fault is that? The factory is up and running what kind of alien technology this gun has that it can't be manufactured without ruskies.
We already has 70k ak203 guns, how difficult is it to just clone that?

JV clauses aside, I suspect some shenanigans behind the scene like set % of raw materials needing to be imported, 5 digit bolt assemblies needed to be imported from Izhmash, or the Amethi factory can't start production before the first batch of imported rifles start delivery, etc. etc.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

JV clauses aside, I suspect some shenanigans behind the scene like set % of raw materials needing to be imported, 5 digit bolt assemblies needed to be imported from Izhmash, or the Amethi factory can't start production before the first batch of imported rifles start delivery, etc. etc.

Then how come bkaksmiths in porkistan and Afghanistan clone every gun from pistol to lmg and even sniper.
If ruskis can't respect the timeline then we should not just become silent spectator.
Start manufacturing different guns in same plant this will send a clear message

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Then how come bkaksmiths in porkistan and Afghanistan clone every gun from pistol to lmg and even sniper.
If ruskis can't respect the timeline then we should not just become silent spectator.
Start manufacturing different guns in same plant this will send a clear message

 

[BlackViking]

Whole world : Tri-rail handguard
Le Indian Perverted Babus : Three piece lingerie

Anyways, it simply means a handguard with picatinny rails on three sides; coz obviously you can mount a fourth rail on top of an unmodified AK as there is the gas tube.

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But would the lower guard be a maximum of 150mm in length, as asked in the tender.

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Should be more than 150mm according to this, unless I am missing something important.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I am missing something important

Yup

1. MHA wants a "standard" maximum of 150mm length.
2. The schematic you posted is a "standard" minimum length of 118mm that you need to connect the trunnion in rear with the retaining band in front.

Other than these two things nothing is standard. For example in this pic there is the exact same handguard for an AK that's offered in multiple lengths