Small arms and Light Weapons

When picking a gun, what would your primary consideration be?


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Twinblade

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Tom, your weapons look mostly parts kit assembled.

Do you use cast trunnions or forged? Same with bolt. Also, show us the rivet holes that you make.
 

Johny_Baba

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I was wondering where I can post pictures of a fully Indian made AK54r that I made under made in India scheme but I managed to source surplus parts and manufacture my own components as well to bring the cost down of this 16 inch ak54r to $230 US
Guys, I made a Ak47 Chambered in 7.62x54r for Make in India, for under $300. Its got a 16 inch barrel and is tested for 19000 rounds. I make the receivers from steel myself and used surplus parts and barrels but I also have chrome lines self made barrels made through a tool a die company that contributes to my effort. I am ready to supply this to the Indian armed forced but how can I even attempt this. I own the machines and the tooling along with enough half made receivers to supply 12000 units.
Also I don't know how foolish it must be to think by lowers you think I would make new stocks and pistol grips? This is too funny. India has some characters like you that will keep our innocent country down at all cost. Your contribution to India is nilch = 0. I worked 8 years at waffen works ever since I could even remember I have been interning and working with steel here. I doubt you have done anything of the sort ever. Also India has quota reservations (affirmative action) so many people exists who have done anything, or can afford anything try and exert their superiority over other, but its like Pakistanis calling India beggar, it holds no value lol
Please read the stupidity of Johnny Baba in the small light arms forum thread. Affirmative Action has ruined India, now forum members who maybe own a BB rifle for children, are telling a 21 a year that made the cheapest 54r in the world that he's stupid to market this to the Indian army !! I have a feeling crab mentality has ruined India and now is creeping into this forum. <some things about his guns in between> Johnny Baba thinks its a stupid idea lol. I'll let the forum decide. I also have an actual armory partnered and backing this. I'll let the forum decide who's stupid lol
You haven't developed anything yourself yet you think bear creek and tags on stocks are some great expose. Maybe this is why India is in the state it is in. <some things about his guns in between> I like to see you provide the Indian military in any capacity with anything at these rates lol I doubt you could even own these toys let own test them in any capacity. I would love the challenge
You should try to even achieve even 1 percent of this. Try to make a lower receiver, test it for full auto, take properierty tech and chrome line it, sell it dirt cheap. I'm even wiling to provide the technology to OFB so they can make it for half of what we make ours for. Do you have the capacity to do that? I highly doubt it. also I doubt you could afford to test 30k rounds of even 22lr let alone 308, or 7.62x54r. I should show you the range in my backyard. Also i'm only 21.
😏 did i cut some nerve here or something ?

This 21 saal ka Tom going on slugfest thinking i am doing eggzpozey of "his products" not being his own etc whatever and then doing all MUH REZERVESHUNS = AFFIRMATIVE AKTIONS RUINED INDIA REEE like dude 🤷‍♂️ you telling all these to a sufferer of same sistem...You literally are sitting in da first wurld nation like amreeka and yet whatever you are doing and offering is nothing more than what a desi kompany named Stumpp Schuele & Somappa Defense (SSSD) do here, i.e. sourcing parts-kits and assembling it back claiming it being fully self made whatever...
> sourcing parts kits = something like this
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> assembling it back together by stamping a receiver from such available (or let's say self made here at least) steel plates
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to this
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to finally a full rifle as shown in pics by adding some preferred form of furniture (buttstock, pistol grip etc) and additional things, [Note - This is Vepr based rifle not what he's trying to offer, but similar to what he is offering, just showing to others how it would look like with 20 round magazine etc]
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oh and all those full auto 'military surplus' fire control group installation is also simple parts replacement and configuring bolt carrier to work with auto sear (if not already done from imports) etc things...not a rocket science at all you just source these full auto trigger groups etc and pin it all down in rifle in place 🤷‍♂️
of course there is lots of metalworks skills involved here but don't make it look like a mumbo jumbo engineering when guys having ITI certifications on machinery works here could do all if given similar availability of parts+machinery+training...

Just FYI again, we already have a local AK here that offers much more than what your PSL kit built AK is offering, and yet it was rejected by Indian Army for ;very high recoil; whatever issues,
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...and you think whatever you're offering is something that would get passing from literal sloth-chhaps bureaucrasy that are sitting there in Ministry of Defense let alone goal shifting champion Indian Army afsars and gernails on side 🤷‍♂️

Even when their sniper rifle offerings are pure import->rebranding->manufacturing if getting more orders, combat rifles from Stumpp Schuele & Somappa Defense (SSSD) are more "self developed" than whatever you are offering to us in "dirt cheap" and yet they don't get a chance here, for instance their P-72 series,
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just discuss with @Chinmoy here who could explain it in deep about all bureaucratic mess, just to get a better understanding if you even care about getting a contract here,

and please before going on another sludgefest about TUMNE KYA KIYA REEEEEEEE MENE 21 SAAL ME ITNA KUCHH KIYA,
my monthly income is less than 300 dollars i.e. less than price of your AK, and so far i am only able to gather about 1000 dollars after cutting all expenses, i haven't bought a new pair of footwear for me since 2019 because well the current one is still hasn't fully worn out despite it giving me regular shoebite and my feet having those blisters all around, since past two years i haven't bought a piece of clothing for me even during this diwali season because my father's old clothes would be enough for me for some more years i think, i still don't own a vehicle of mine and giving to price of fuel soaring like mad it seems very unlikely that i would be able to do so in future,
...and yet all these signature 3rd world poverty i am trying my best to know about firearms and sharing whatever i know about it to others on this very forum, on facebook (not doing it so since some time as all my friends there stopped posting on that zucc platform due to censorship issues), on telegram...
i don't have much tangible achievements in fields of firearms like you simply because i am piss poor and live in a nation that looks down on innovators and throws lots of restrictions in name of various things LAWS and whatever, all i have in name of 'achivements' (if you even consider it) is that i have made some friends who share same passion about firearms and helped them succeed while i could not get same for me, there is a guy on Quora named 'Erbeus Griffin' (i usually avoided taking his name so far just kept referring him as 'quora friend' because i usually don't feel it is right to back myself on other internet friends' achievements), for example, then there is certain 'Jerry' who is doing journalism and currently working as an intern defense journalist etc...

but ok your points are right i should better STFU when i have not even one percent of actual tangible achievements of mine compared to you, i thought i was trying to help you when i suggested something about short stroke AK in 7.62 NATO feeding from SLR (= british FAL) magazines, that is something that has not been offered to us yet and has actual chance of success (in my view of course, rest you do your thing),

all the best,

will not meddle around with your posts anymore
 

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अच्छा एक बात तो बता @Tom Jones , तू अभी २१ का है, और पिछले ८ साल से ये सब बना रहा है। मतलब, १३ साल की उमर से।
एक ब्राउनिग का ही सुना था अभी तक की १३ की उमर में पहली बंदूक, आज तुझे देखा।
धन्य हो गया।
 

Tactical Doge

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Well look at his profile picture. These baba's love to smoke charas and poop right on the beaches because they believe it is natural to behave this way. Just go to varanasi and you can see many soo called experts on the banks. Ask them where the bathroom is, they will say it is here only.
Get it into your thick skull, maintain decorum
I have reported all of your posts,
refrain from personal attacks and stereotype/racist slurs
last thing we need is another @Del horno
 

Tactical Doge

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Good job, a middle aged man is reporting harsh posts of a 21 year old making guns for his country. India truly is becoming a sewer. I'll be posting screen shorts of this on our youtube page. I'll showcase your accounts lol
Post links
Vaise bhi pura Alphadefense ka Fandom @FalconSlayers ke piche pada hua hai
 

ezsasa

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I don't watch your soap opera, i'll leave that to you millionaire developers. lol Also can anyone on this forum provide me anyproof of Johnys claims. How much does BCA sell their guns for, their parts for? how much do psl parts kits run? how much do assembled psl or mande kits runs? Clearly the stench of jealousy in the forum is getting overwhelming if you know what I mean.
Stick to subject matter mate. refrain from personal attacks.
 

Marliii

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@Lonewarrior can you do some digging on SSS defence ak upgrade.like if they are ripping any of the parts from other gun companies? Its not a problem but it could cause problems for them in the future if they do that
 

Johny_Baba

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Thirdly, you are broke and poor because you are weak and low IQ. I grew up in foster care and used to pick beer bottles and beer cans from restaurant garbages and recycle them until i made enough to survive to join the military. then I served in Afghanistan and got a free ride in university. I went to an ivy league and started my own landscaping business which now has 10 employees and 3 trucks with 6 riding mowers. You don't have anything because you are a jealous envious person. Since you love posting expose's, please post the price of PSL's, and VEPR's, and ak54's. I am interested in knowing their prices and how would you get them down to my price level? try to see online how much parts are, and how much it cost to manufacture these guns. Idiots who defecate on the beach try and tell other you are dirty. Shameless
Well look at his profile picture. These baba's love to smoke charas and poop right on the beaches because they believe it is natural to behave this way. Just go to varanasi and you can see many soo called experts on the banks. Ask them where the bathroom is, they will say it is here only.
😏 wao classic poo in loo chhap raycism, and here i was helping someone about how to post pics on a forum
😏 besides what you are 21 at now, and assembling firearms from what, 8 years hhmm and ALSO got ivy league education etc whatever as well as served in afghanistan all of these in span of what...some 10 years i think, so from age 11 doing child labour and now gloating on me about lowiqness...weakness...ok fegut at least get your years accounted properly.

Good job, a middle aged man is reporting harsh posts of a 21 year old making guns for his country. India truly is becoming a sewer. I'll be posting screen shorts of this on our youtube page. I'll showcase your accounts lol
😏 please do, also share links here, i will get my armee of T-series fanbois to get your content downvoted to oblivion bekoze fuck pewdipie
Also i've received messages form other members on my website who are fully in support and think of these couple members as resident cockroaches. Pak defence was bad but this forum is also getting bad.
😏 ok karen
Yes, the idiot on this forum learned a new word, parts kit. Who told them about it, me also.
😏 sorry but you're more than three full years late here, the first time i talked about 'parts kit' was in year 2018,
you shouldn't be taking false credit for something you didn't do, you know,unless yer Toland Drump 😏
This is how you' d receive a Russian AK-47 (this one's milled receiver,Type 2) "Parts Kit" in the US.
Also you should just stop talking now. Clearly you are too stupid to realize that In America and the rest of the civilized world, a firearm is only the receiver, which is what you own. The parts are just that, parts. I own the receiver since I make them myself and serialize them.
😏 i forwarded your posts to someone living in the US whom i helped fixing his gun while sitting here in India,
this is what he replied on telegram (censoring out his name etc for obvious reasons but keeping the message at it is)
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Secondly, again stop talking since you don't know anything.
😏 that is already given, read my status below my dp,take help of google translate if you can't read hindi.
 
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Johny_Baba

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Guys please keep the thread to small arms only. No personal attacks.

Good, my full summport to dem oompa loompas for getting their kit selected for AK upgrades,

😏 miles better than some romanian parts kit build US made AK in 7.62x54mmR and trying to dream about blasting porkies with such obscurity battle rifle thingy.
 

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