Small arms and Light Weapons

[FalconSlayers]

M4 ain't going away soon

Why don’t we get an AR-15 as standard issue? And use M855A1round for it for CICT/COIN operations.

 

[Marliii]

Why don’t we get an AR-15 as standard issue? And use M855A1round for it for CICT/COIN operations.

The carbine deal hopefully would do it.ak203 should be scraped so that I can die peacefully.OFB can make a better ak clone without ripping our pockets.

 

[Spindrift]

Then what would IA do with these SIGs 7.62 *51 ?

I can adopt them and give them a good home .

 

[Tactical Doge]

The carbine deal hopefully would do it.ak203 should be scraped so that I can die peacefully.OFB can make a better ak clone without ripping our pockets.

Metallurgy was some reasons peddled around if my memory serves right
Somehow we didn't have the right metallurgy

But looking at the QC issues from the recently popped up AKs I'm doubtful about that....very much

 

[rkhanna]

M4 ain't going away soon

The Army’s SAW and M4 replacement is headed to troops by 2022

The new weapons will bring the 6.8mm projectile into the U.S. military inventory for the first time.

www.defensenews.com

The SIG MCX may get chosen as the next gen rifle and has started reaching the troops for final trial

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[shuvo@y2k10]

If the AK203 deal goes through, the first 100k rifles are supposed to be supplied by Russians. This will surely be made from Chinese imported scrap sheet metal.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Sig is supposed to have developed a new type of stell/brass hybrid 6.8 mm round, which can carry more gunpowder for increased energy.

Given we have already procured so many Sig 716s, can such round be developed by DRDO in 7.6*51 mm caliber?

 

[Killbot]

Sig is supposed to have developed a new type of stell/brass hybrid 6.8 mm round, which can carry more gunpowder for increased energy.

Given we have already procured so many Sig 716s, can such round be developed by DRDO in 7.6*51 mm caliber?

Yes.

 

[FalconSlayers]

The Army’s SAW and M4 replacement is headed to troops by 2022

The new weapons will bring the 6.8mm projectile into the U.S. military inventory for the first time.

www.defensenews.com

The SIG MCX may get chosen as the next gen rifle and has started reaching the troops for final trial

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Only 1 in 4 soldiers likely to see Army’s newest rifle in coming years

The Next Generation Squad Weapon is expected to begin fielding within two years.

www.armytimes.com

 

[Fire and groove]

That's according to you not Army majority of Army personal love ak they say it's best weapon especially chambered in 7.62×39 you see few videos on youtube and make conclusion too early if army wants 5.56×45 then they will highly go for ar15 type .

Most of the infantry and the officers are taught little about ballistics. Ask them about the cross sectional density of the 7N31 or the muzzle velocity and ballistics coefficient of the Mk262 mod 0 and how they affect the trajectory, accuracy and terminal ballistics on target.

 

[Fire and groove]

QBZ-191

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Proper C-clamping being taught to PLA....and soon its going to be goodbye to the bullpup QBZ-95.

I wouldn't call that proper, trying to shoot a long distance target with C-clamp reeks of "tacticool" amateur. The C-clamp is a sure fire way of jacking up your deltoids, i'd like to see him keep a rifle stable like that hours into combat. The only real benefit it brings is better target transitioning in CQB. At range, I'd much rather preserve my energy.

 

[Spindrift]

Given we have already procured so many Sig 716s, can such round be developed by DRDO in 7.6*51 mm caliber?

DRDO can develop it, but the mass production will go to OFB and they'll turn it into a complete pig's breakfast.

 

[Gessler]

I wouldn't call that proper, trying to shoot a long distance target with C-clamp reeks of "tacticool" amateur. The C-clamp is a sure fire way of jacking up your deltoids, i'd like to see him keep a rifle stable like that hours into combat.

Well I can't see where the targets are, can you?

Better to know all the techniques and apply each accordingly than not knowing.

The FAB AKs with optics are prime platforms for employing and getting feedback on this technique, haven't seen even top SFs employ it even in CQC, urban combat situations. It's just not taught in India.

the only real benefit it brings is better target transitioning in CQB. At range, I'd much rather preserve my energy.

And better control on muzzle climb.

 

[Fire and groove]

Well I can't see where the targets are, can you?

Better to know all the techniques and apply each accordingly than not knowing.

The FAB AKs with optics are prime platforms for employing and getting feedback on this technique, haven't seen even top SFs employ it even in CQC, urban combat situations. It's just not taught in India.



And better control on muzzle climb.

The AK, even the FAB ones, are definitely not the most effective platform for C-clamping. The handguard isn't nearly extended far enough to get that muzzle control unlike contemporary AR-15 style rifles not to mention unless you've got optics, the thumb ends up obscuring the sight. The C-clamp is definitely a good tool to have, but it isn't revolutionary and it has it's pros and cons. I'd be more interested in seeing the real stuff like fire and maneuver drills, reaction to contact, how their COs/ JCOs and NCOs lead etc. All of these skills are not something the PLA is known for.

 

[Gessler]

The AK, even the FAB ones, are definitely not the most effective platform for C-clamping. The handguard isn't nearly extended far enough to get that muzzle control unlike contemporary AR-15 style rifles

AK has sufficient length for effective C-clamping by an average sized man.

not to mention unless you've got optics, the thumb ends up obscuring the sight.

Went over this before within the first 5 or so pages of the new SF thread.

That's why I said FAB AK - where the PDC not only allows for optics, but also brings the sight line up from where a more traditional side rail-mounted optic would have it.

And most FAB AKs we have nowadays have some optic or the other these days - especially the SF ones. And this number is only going to increase in coming years.

The C-clamp is definitely a good tool to have, but it isn't revolutionary and it has it's pros and cons. I'd be more interested in seeing the real stuff like fire and maneuver drills, reaction to contact, how their COs/ JCOs and NCOs lead etc. All of these skills are not something the PLA is known for.

True but for an outside watcher like you or me, the example of 1 technique coming over can usually serve as indication of others coming over as well - as it would imply a change in training doctrines after incorporating lessons learnt from joint exercises and what not. So far that's not happening.

 

[Gessler]

AK has sufficient length for effective C-clamping by an average sized man.

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Went over this before within the first 5 or so pages of the new SF thread.

That's why I said FAB AK - where the PDC not only allows for optics, but also brings the sight line up from where a more traditional side rail-mounted optic would have it.

And most FAB AKs we have nowadays have some optic or the other these days - especially the SF ones. And this number is only going to increase in coming years.

Russian SSO and FSB Special Purpose Centres are writing the book on AK c-clamping as we speak - with or without a long, railed handguard.

A long handguard would sure add more real estate for attachments - but its not necessary for effective C-clamping - not on the AK platform. That would be true on the M4 carbine platform with service-issue KAC rails, with the big front sight and short handguard.

 

[Daisy]

Russian SSO and FSB Special Purpose Centres are writing the book on AK c-clamping as we speak - with or without a long, railed handguard.

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A long handguard would sure add more real estate for attachments - but its not necessary for effective C-clamping - not on the AK platform. That would be true on the M4 carbine platform with service-issue KAC rails, with the big front sight and short handguard.

Won't this obstruct case ejection ports?

 

[Gessler]

Won't this obstruct case ejection ports?

For left handed shooting? Unlikely, the cases are ejected with a high enough up angle.

 

[Vinod DX9]

Uzbek soldiers with Sig-716

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Lagta hai isko

Uzbek soldiers with Sig-716View attachment 82070

Sight kholna nai sikhaya hai ise.