Small arms and Light Weapons

[Vishalreddy3]

Any news about Astr defence weapons? Idk why they don’t have any website social media account or PR considering their weapons look ultra modern.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Astr Defence rifle INDRA is a modular platform which with some certain changes can be transformed into five different systems for different need:<br><br>1) 7.62*51 mm Battle Rifle<br>2) 7.62*51 mm SAW<br>3) 7.62*51 mm DMR<br>4) 7.62*39 mm Assault Rifle and<br>5) 5.56*45 mm Carbine <a href="https://t.co/vil1qXmatE">pic.twitter.com/vil1qXmatE</a></p>&mdash; Vinod DX9 (@VinodDX9) <a href="">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Order cancelled!!!!!
My prediction might come into reality!!
Caracal with ToT produce around 20-25% of the carbine requirements!!
The rest are IWI products just like LMG requirements!

 

[Killbot]

No it doesn't. The 6.8 has more velocity and energy at longer distancez because of aerodynamics of the bullet. It loses much less energy due to less drag. Think of 7.62 as a rock and 6.8 as a javelin. You know which travels longer and which has more energy at closer distances...

@Vishalreddy3 @FalconSlayers
@Bleh hope this clears why 6.5/6.8 is a universal cartridge.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

No it doesn't. The 6.8 has more velocity and energy at longer distancez because of aerodynamics of the bullet. It loses much less energy due to less drag. Think of 7.62 as a rock and 6.8 as a javelin. You know which travels longer and which has more energy at closer distances...

Nah!! I still have my doubts, 7.62mm Nato is far stronger and has better range than 6.8mm.

 

[Killbot]

Nah!! I still have my doubts, 7.62mm Nato is far stronger and has better range than 6.8mm.

Stronger, yes. Has more range, no. Because of much greater drag. Refer ballistics of both at 1000m for a comparison.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Order cancelled!!!!!
My prediction might come into reality!!
Caracal with ToT produce around 20-25% of the carbine requirements!!
The rest are IWI products just like LMG requirements!

I couldn’t understand you


first...
which order cancelled

second...
what do you mean by 20-25% requirements?

third...
what do you mean by rest are IWI arms?

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Stronger, yes. Has more range, no. Because of much greater drag. Refer ballistics of both at 1000m for a comparison.

I'll do my research and get back!

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Vishalreddy3]

I couldn’t understand you


first...
which order cancelled

second...
what do you mean by 20-25% requirements?

third...
what do you mean by rest are IWI arms?

*Astr Defence order cancelled!
*Caracal order of 93,000 is around 20% of the carbine requirements
*since Indian products are grounded(Not sure yet), then IWI products are the backbone of the carbine requirements, since they field the most products (Arad, Galil ACE, Carmel)

 

[Killbot]

@Vishalreddy3 refer this..

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

*Astr Defence order cancelled!
*Caracal order of 93,000 is around 20% of the carbine requirements
*since Indian products are grounded(Not sure yet), then IWI products are the backbone of the carbine requirements, since they field the most products (Arad, Galil ACE, Carmel)

When was Astr defence order done, for it to be cancelled?

They only exhibited some models at Defence expo 2020. Is there any future development regarding that?

 

[Killbot]

When was Astr defence order done, for it to be cancelled?

They only exhibited some models at Defence expo 2020. Is there any future development regarding that?

Those rifles were probably mockups. Hadn't been fired, even, imo

 

[Vishalreddy3]

When was Astr defence order done, for it to be cancelled?

They only exhibited some models at Defence expo 2020. Is there any future development regarding that?

I mean, their products were removed from the competition since they didn't meet the IA standards.
The future development is that they concentrate on the CAPF and state police markets, and probably the export market in the future.

 

[FalconSlayers]

*Astr Defence order cancelled!
*Caracal order of 93,000 is around 20% of the carbine requirements
*since Indian products are grounded(Not sure yet), then IWI products are the backbone of the carbine requirements, since they field the most products (Arad, Galil ACE, Carmel)

When did Astr defence was given any contract To begin with?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

I mean, their products were removed from the competition since they didn't meet the IA standards.
The future development is that they concentrate on the CAPF and state police markets, and probably the export market in the future.

Is SSS defence carbine variant in competition?

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Is SSS defence carbine variant in competition?

I posted in the previous page that SSS products are also rusty and not upto the IA standards. Hence on the verge of loosing the competition. All Indian manufacturers have better scope in CAPFs and State police force since their requirements are not high standards!

 

[Spindrift]

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Lipstick on a pig?

 

[Johny_Baba]

@Vishalreddy3 refer this..

Wrong Comparison,
You should compare 7.62x51mm NATO with 6.5x48mm Creedmoor that is a Full Length Round, not 6.5x39mm Grendel which is kinda between 7.62x39mm and 5.56x45mm NATO as an Intermediate Round

 

[Johny_Baba]

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If Indian Army can adopt AK-203 (actually AK-103M,that's what we're getting) then i don't see much issue with such upgrades to INSAS

And this upgrade was done by FAB Mods guys of Israel,providing a hinged railed top cover, side folding buttstock with adjustable cheek piece, their pattern of tactical pistol grip and railed handguards etc

Oh and yes of course, FAB style 5.56mm Magazine that they seem to have specifically made for us (straight from their 7.62x39mm magazine named ULTIMAG) as i don't happen to see it anywhere else, not on their website or other palce on Internet

pics of FAB Defense Ultimag from where they may have made this 5.56mm magazine for INSAS, me think

 

[Killbot]

Wrong Comparison,
You should compare 7.62x51mm NATO with 6.5x48mm Creedmoor that is a Full Length Round, not 6.5x39mm Grendel which is kinda between 7.62x39mm and 5.56x45mm NATO as an Intermediate Round

No, I intended to compare .308 to the 6.5 Grendel I.e. 6.5*39mm not Creedmoor. To show that 6.5 is better at longer distances than .308. Of course 6.5 CM would be even better.
Grendel outperforms all other intermediate cartridges, including 6.8 SPC at ranges over 400m. Outperforms 7.62 NATO at ranges more than 600m.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Complete list of all the RFIs and RFPs for rifles issued.

Source: http://ficci.in/spdocument/23180/small-arms-report.pdf

IMP thing to note is other than FTP of 72400 rifles from (which has a repeat order), there is another RFI of more than 5.5 lakhs 7.62*51 mm assault rifles.
Earlier I remember that when Gen Rawat was COAS, he gave a press conference, where he said these will be procured through indigenous source. He was most probably referring to OFB 7.62*51 rifle.

Anyone knows what is the progress on that tender?