Small arms and Light Weapons

[vampyrbladez]

Found this old thread about the INSAS. Excellent insights into the gun' assembly, working and origins. Thread has nice titbits on the background of the time and 2010's Gandu family babudom.

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9131

 

[WolfPack86]

Checking out the new AK 203 assault rifle that will soon be manufactured at Amethi. At the Kalashnikov HQ, Moscow.

 

[WolfPack86]

Joint venture for AK 203 assault rifles factory at Amethi was the `fastest ever’ created with Russia.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

New M5F41 with M6 UBGL
Just an optic needed now

 

[WolfPack86]

OFB Excalibur MK-1 Rifle

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

CRPF
BULGARIAN ARSENAL M5F41

 

[WolfPack86]

Wait for sniper rifles gets longer; MoD retracts the RFP issued last year
Highly placed sources have confirmed to Financial Express Online that “the RFP for the sniper rifles and 10.2 million rounds of ammunition was retracted late June as the vendors were not keen to transfer technology for ammunition.”

For the third time the request for Proposals (RFP) for the 5,719 8.6 mm sniper rifles for the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force have been retracted by the Service Headquarters. The procurement of these sniper rifles is part of the modernization plan of the service Headquarters and they have been placed on the Fast Track Procedure (FTP).

Highly placed sources have confirmed to Financial Express Online that “the RFP for the sniper rifles and 10.2 million rounds of ammunition was retracted late June as the vendors were not keen to transfer technology for ammunition.”
There were four bidders who had responded to the RFP issued in 2018 including Russian Rosoboronexport and US based Barrett and MSA Global. The RFP in September 2018 was the third time the Ministry of Defence issued RFP for the sniper rifles.

“The RFP issued were in 2009-10 under the Fast Track Procedure had to be retracted because of the yardsticks adopted for the trials of two vendors who were down selected. This was followed by another RFP in 2012-13. This too was retracted by the service Headquarters due to some confusion in the formulation of the General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQRs),” explained a senior army officer.

“The third time retraction is due to issues related to the supply and transfer of technology for .338 Lapua Magnum ammunition rounds. According to the RFP, the down selected vendor had to share Transfer of Technology for around five million rounds of ammunition. And, none of the vendors were keen to share their technology for such a small number,” the officer added and pointed out that the balance of five million was to be bought off the shelf.

In 2018, approval was given by the Defence Acquisition Council headed by the then defense minister Nirmala Sitharaman at a cost of Rs 982 crore under the `Buy Global’ category. As has been reported by Financial Express Online earlier there was a specification that the ammunition will be bought off the shelf and will be later licensed produced in India under the Make in India initiative. The company which had bid for the sniper rifles were expected to transfer of technology to state-owned Ordnance Factory Board and private-sector manufacturers.

These 8.6mm sniper rifles are required urgently by the Indian Army to deal with the increased threat of sniper attacks g to procure sniper rifles amid an increased threat of sniper attacks along the Line of Control, and also to ensure a tactical advantage over enemies at a distance. These have the capability of being operated in extreme terrains including high altitude, desert, and can be used in jungle warfare. While the troops are already equipped with sniper rifles along the border, the procurement of 5,719 is for the rest.

In the interim, a small number of two new advanced sniper rifles — Barrett M95 .50 BMG and Beretta Scorpio TGT ‘Victrix’, with .338 Lapua Magnum cartridges had to be purchased on an urgent basis by the Northern Army Commander through his special financial powers.

The Indian Army is keen to buy these sniper rifles from the global vendors to vendors to replace the existing Soviet-era Dragunov SVD rifles which are in use and were procured in the mid-1990s and uses 7.62×54-MMR cartridge. The Dragunov sniper rifle with a range of 800 meters is not equipped with modern magnification and sight systems as well as bipod systems. Also the ammunition for these is very expensive.

Most of the sniping materials for the armed forces come from countries including Germany, the United States, and Russia.
https://www.financialexpress.com/de...od-retracts-the-rfp-issued-last-year/1641735/

 

[uoftotaku]

Rubbish. Rifle Ammunition needs tech transfer? What nonsense! Either OFB is full of retards or MoD is.

Most likely the reporter is high

 

[WolfPack86]

Can some body post pictures of Beretta Scorpio TGT Victoria sniper rifle.

 

[Enquirer]

Wait for sniper rifles gets longer; MoD retracts the RFP issued last year
Highly placed sources have confirmed to Financial Express Online that “the RFP for the sniper rifles and 10.2 million rounds of ammunition was retracted late June as the vendors were not keen to transfer technology for ammunition.”

For the third time the request for Proposals (RFP) for the 5,719 8.6 mm sniper rifles for the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force have been retracted by the Service Headquarters. The procurement of these sniper rifles is part of the modernization plan of the service Headquarters and they have been placed on the Fast Track Procedure (FTP).

Highly placed sources have confirmed to Financial Express Online that “the RFP for the sniper rifles and 10.2 million rounds of ammunition was retracted late June as the vendors were not keen to transfer technology for ammunition.”
There were four bidders who had responded to the RFP issued in 2018 including Russian Rosoboronexport and US based Barrett and MSA Global. The RFP in September 2018 was the third time the Ministry of Defence issued RFP for the sniper rifles.

“The RFP issued were in 2009-10 under the Fast Track Procedure had to be retracted because of the yardsticks adopted for the trials of two vendors who were down selected. This was followed by another RFP in 2012-13. This too was retracted by the service Headquarters due to some confusion in the formulation of the General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQRs),” explained a senior army officer.

“The third time retraction is due to issues related to the supply and transfer of technology for .338 Lapua Magnum ammunition rounds. According to the RFP, the down selected vendor had to share Transfer of Technology for around five million rounds of ammunition. And, none of the vendors were keen to share their technology for such a small number,” the officer added and pointed out that the balance of five million was to be bought off the shelf.

In 2018, approval was given by the Defence Acquisition Council headed by the then defense minister Nirmala Sitharaman at a cost of Rs 982 crore under the `Buy Global’ category. As has been reported by Financial Express Online earlier there was a specification that the ammunition will be bought off the shelf and will be later licensed produced in India under the Make in India initiative. The company which had bid for the sniper rifles were expected to transfer of technology to state-owned Ordnance Factory Board and private-sector manufacturers.

These 8.6mm sniper rifles are required urgently by the Indian Army to deal with the increased threat of sniper attacks g to procure sniper rifles amid an increased threat of sniper attacks along the Line of Control, and also to ensure a tactical advantage over enemies at a distance. These have the capability of being operated in extreme terrains including high altitude, desert, and can be used in jungle warfare. While the troops are already equipped with sniper rifles along the border, the procurement of 5,719 is for the rest.

In the interim, a small number of two new advanced sniper rifles — Barrett M95 .50 BMG and Beretta Scorpio TGT ‘Victrix’, with .338 Lapua Magnum cartridges had to be purchased on an urgent basis by the Northern Army Commander through his special financial powers.

The Indian Army is keen to buy these sniper rifles from the global vendors to vendors to replace the existing Soviet-era Dragunov SVD rifles which are in use and were procured in the mid-1990s and uses 7.62×54-MMR cartridge. The Dragunov sniper rifle with a range of 800 meters is not equipped with modern magnification and sight systems as well as bipod systems. Also the ammunition for these is very expensive.

Most of the sniping materials for the armed forces come from countries including Germany, the United States, and Russia.
https://www.financialexpress.com/de...od-retracts-the-rfp-issued-last-year/1641735/

Isn't this incompetence of the highest magnitude????
Who would insist that the same company should make Sniper rifles AND ammo????? Most sniper rifle manufacturers are niche companies that produce these rifles in small quantities. Obviously they won't have a 'giga' factory to make standard ammo that other ammo companies produce!

Why cancel the entire process? Can't they just fork off the ammo part into a different tender?? Well, what am I saying....it's the Indian bureaucracy at work here!!!

 

[Vorschlaghammer]

Expert log!!!
Is that a machined UPPER for R2?

The word upper is generally short for upper receiver, which combines with the lower receiver to form the whole thing. These words are normally associated with AR family of rifles or rifles that have a similar construction to the AR(like say SCAR).

The R2 is based on the AK family so the word Upper isn't appropriate here. AR series of rifles and its clones have a receiver and a dust cover.

To answer your question, yes it is a machined receiver(can also be called a milled receiver). The receiver is made out of a single piece of metal. The other way of making receivers in stamping sheets of metal(called stamped reciever), you can clearly see the Ghatak has a stamped receiver.

As a general rule of thumb, milled receivers are perceived as more conducive towards accuracy since they don't flex as much as stamped receivers. However that's not a single deciding factor in rifle accuracy. Multiple other factors are involved.

Check out this video of Larry Vickers engaging moving targets inside a car, first with a purpose built DMR SR-25, with it's inherently accurate AR gas system, and then with a stamped receiver HK-21 LMG with scope mount.

PSG-1 which was designed in the 70s, and built on the same G3 platform, still is no slouch among the latest and greatest DMRs.

 

[tomato]

Does anyone else think that OFB should start displaying their rifles with accessories? A foregrip and a sight in R2’s case...

OFB needs to do lot more than this. These lazy incompetent babus has zilch understanding of effective marketing. Have you ever met a senior/junior ofb babu? the arrogance and attitude they carry makes u feel that they are doing a big big favour and beneficence to this country. Whatever they are churning out is the best of the best and you hav to deal with it. This white elephant had enjoyed enough monopoly and protected from competition. BJP is slowly making them awake by allowing foreign manufacturers to produce world class small arms in India like Tavor Punj Lloyd collaboration and Izmash line in Amethi.

Now, a new jolt to sleepy OFB. In the civilian arms manufacturing, OFB has complete monopoly, and they are supplying decades old design of Revolvers and Pistols. Everyone knows these are nothing but crap sold at ridiculously high price around 1.5 lacs. Since buyers have no choice (Thanks to monopoly) they are forced to buy these craps. OFB never did any work on new design since business was going as usual. Now BJP led govt has allowed local and foreign manufacturers to supply NPB bore pistols and revolvers. A Himanchal based Seikh Arms will start supplying .32 bore pistol (copy of Llama pistol) to arms dealer soon, costing approx 1.25 lacs. And good news is now two models of Glock pistol, G42 and G25 will be available for civilians by October this year costing at 1.5 lacs. These Glock pistols will be manufactured in Chennai. Also a Jaipur based firm has started making quality 6 round shotgun at 80k. So clearly these lazy buggers ofb will face difficult time.

 

[armyofhind]

OFB needs to do lot more than this. These lazy incompetent babus has zilch understanding of effective marketing. Have you ever met a senior/junior ofb babu? the arrogance and attitude they carry makes u feel that they are doing a big big favour and beneficence to this country. Whatever they are churning out is the best of the best and you hav to deal with it. This white elephant had enjoyed enough monopoly and protected from competition. BJP is slowly making them awake by allowing foreign manufacturers to produce world class small arms in India like Tavor Punj Lloyd collaboration and Izmash line in Amethi.

Now, a new jolt to sleepy OFB. In the civilian arms manufacturing, OFB has complete monopoly, and they are supplying decades old design of Revolvers and Pistols. Everyone knows these are nothing but crap sold at ridiculously high price around 1.5 lacs. Since buyers have no choice (Thanks to monopoly) they are forced to buy these craps. OFB never did any work on new design since business was going as usual. Now BJP led govt has allowed local and foreign manufacturers to supply NPB bore pistols and revolvers. A Himanchal based Seikh Arms will start supplying .32 bore pistol (copy of Llama pistol) to arms dealer soon, costing approx 1.25 lacs. And good news is now two models of Glock pistol, G42 and G25 will be available for civilians by October this year costing at 1.5 lacs. These Glock pistols will be manufactured in Chennai. Also a Jaipur based firm has started making quality 6 round shotgun at 80k. So clearly these lazy buggers ofb will face difficult time.
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Any source for the news on the glock?

 

[Maddy_9UY]

View attachment 36268 12 Shotgun , Apparently New Carbine version of Excalibur , GHAATAK , Excalibur MK-1 , INSAS 1C 5.56mm with new handguard & OFB's R-2 7.62*51mm
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OFB Sniper Rifle
INDIA INTERNATIONAL POLICE EXPO 2019 , NEW DELHI

They haven't yet corrected the AK-74 picture on their poster

 

[tomato]

They haven't yet corrected the AK-74 picture on their poster

What do u expect from these OFB ch**tiyas..they even dont have decent original pictures of their products to put on brochures. Even a noob can take fair images with his smart phone. But no!!! ofb chaps wont do that, typical sarkari chalta h attitude and they dont care

 

[WolfPack86]

The (Joint Venture Protective Carbine) JVPC won't replace the 9mm OFB Carbine of Indian Army, instead INSAS 1C (new variant) will. INDRA Networks at International Police Expo 2019

 

[WolfPack86]

With minor differences, INSAS 1C (New Variant) likely to replace OFB 9mm Carbine of the Indian Army. Here are the close up pics of the recievers of both the old and new variants.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Army Sniper with a Beretta Scorpio TGT 'Victrix' .338 Lapua Magnum Precision Rifle which was recently inducted this year with frontline units on Line of Control along with Barrett M95.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Army to test AK-203 in carbine role also against terrorists
The assault rife would be provided to troops for carrying out anti-terrorist operations. A separate tender is being floated to buy 93,000 carbines under fast track procedure.

The Indian Army is planning to use a modified version of the AK-203 assault rifle in carbine role for its troops deployed during counter-insurgency operations in Jammu and Kashmir.

The AK-203 assault rifle would be manufactured at Uttar Pradesh's Amethi facility in a joint venture between the Ordnance Factory Board and Russia.

The assault rife would be provided to troops for carrying out anti-terrorist operations. A separate tender is being floated to buy 93,000 carbines under fast track procedure.

"We want to try out the AK-203 in the carbine role. We can remove the rifle's butt completely to reduce its size and then it can be hidden easily under clothes to be used in close quarter combat operations against terrorists," top Army sources told ANI.

"If needed, more modifications can be done in the AK- ..

"Efforts are under process to acquire 93,000 carbines and the Defence Ministry has formed an oversight committee to look into the case."

A senior Lieutenant General-rank officer has been appointed as the member of the committee including other members from the Defence Ministry and the DRDO.

The Defence Ministry is expected to take a call once the oversight committee submits its report.

The Central government has already finalised contracts for buying two types of moder ..
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-terrorists/articleshow/68772386.cms?from=mdr

 

[vampyrbladez]

Yeah no. The deal is dead, another one lost to anonymous complaints and babudom.

Seems to be underway.......................................

"Efforts are under process to acquire 93,000 carbines and the Defence Ministry has formed an oversight committee to look into the case."

A senior Lieutenant General-rank officer has been appointed as the member of the committee including other members from the Defence Ministry and the DRDO.

The Defence Ministry is expected to take a call once the oversight committee submits its report.

The Central government has already finalised contracts for buying two types of moder ..

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