Siachen Glacier : The Highest battleground on Earth

[LETHALFORCE]

.As PM manmohan singh said ,"muslims have first right to Indian resources" So that right is shouuld also be extended to the disgruntled muslim of pakistan.Few attacks should not cloud the vision of Indian govt in bringing in these pakistanis into mainstream.

Pakistan is a separate country why should Indian govt be concerned?

 

[ajtr]

Pakistan is a separate country why should Indian govt be concerned?

Coz you can't afford to have 200million disgruntled population sitting at your borders.Its not the Pakistani nukes which is a danger to india rather its the population of pakistan which is ticking nuke for india which can undo india.

 

[Ray]

Pakistan is like disgruntled muslim voters of india like as those of in Kashmir or in UP,Bihar etc.So every party try to give them SoPs for their votes.Like for kashmiris SoPs is in form of autonomy enshrined in article 370 for other muslim voters Sop is reservation in job education etc like wise for pakistan siachin is and other issues are those SOPs that should be offered by indian govt to win over pakistani people.It should not stop Indian govt from offering CBMs aka SOPs to pakistan even if few pakistan mujahids overturn the apple cart.As it never stopped indian govt to offer SOPs to muslim comunitiy as a whole even if there are attacks by Indian mujahideens.As PM manmohan singh said ,"muslims have first right to Indian resources" So that right is shouuld also be extended to the disgruntled muslim of pakistan.Few attacks should not cloud the vision of Indian govt in bringing in these pakistanis into mainstream.

I am afraid I have not anything more daft than that!

Who told you that Muslims are not Indians? What makes you feel that they are otherwise. Those Muslims who thought that they were a special breed, all left for the Land of the Pure and only Indians were left behind.

Now that the special breed of Muslims demanded and got their Land of the Pure, whatever makes you feel that India still has to carry this burden called Pakistanis on their shoulders?

Pakistanis should have made some sense of their new existence.

If they have been incapable of doing so, let them be rot in their new existence that they wanted in the first place!

 

[ajtr]

I am afraid I have not anything more daft than that!

Who told you that Muslims are not Indians? What makes you feel that they are otherwise. Those Muslims who thought that they were a special breed, all left for the Land of the Pure and only Indians were left behind.

Now that the special breed of Muslims demanded and got their Land of the Pure, whatever makes you feel that India still has to carry this burden called Pakistanis on their shoulders?

Pakistanis should have made some sense of their new existence.

If they have been incapable of doing so, let them be rot in their new existence that they wanted in the first place!

Its not daft rather its foresight.You are wrong in saying that people who demanded pakistan left india lock-stok and barrel.No they didnt.And with familes having ties and properties across the borders is also their return ticket back. to india.And clamour for India to save for them will will rise from indian population itself with in next 2-3 decades.millions of familes from pakistan own properties in india and they have blood ties accross the border.so in any case you cant just ignore them.If you do ignore them then there will be another blood-letting in india like that of 1947.

 

[pankaj nema]

Mr Ajtr perhaps you might remember that Indian PM was being very generous to Pakistan
in Sharm al Shaikh

That kicked such a huge storm in India In Parliament PM was accused of treachery and surrender

The PM nearly lost his job and during the Parliamentary debate nearly came to tears

So please dont expect that EVEN if PM wants to gift away Siachen ; the PEOPLE
of India would allow it

When SIMULTANEOUS protests break out in 20 Indian Cities ; Congress will be Finished

It has happened twice before
[ Once when OBC reservations were rushed through in 2006
reducing General category seats
and Secondly when Anna Hazare was arrested ]

The GOI ; Congress party and the PM will have NO place to hide if the PM were to GIFT away Siachen to
Pakistan

 

[Singh]

Pakistan is like disgruntled muslim voters of india like as those of in Kashmir or in UP,Bihar etc.So every party try to give them SoPs for their votes.Like for kashmiris SoPs is in form of autonomy enshrined in article 370 for other muslim voters Sop is reservation in job education etc

like wise for pakistan siachin is and other issues are those SOPs that should be offered by indian govt to win over pakistani people.

It should not stop Indian govt from offering CBMs aka SOPs to pakistan even if few pakistan mujahids overturn the apple cart.

As it never stopped indian govt to offer SOPs to muslim comunitiy as a whole even if there are attacks by Indian mujahideens.As PM manmohan singh said ,"muslims have first right to Indian resources"

So that right is shouuld also be extended to the disgruntled muslim of pakistan.Few attacks should not cloud the vision of Indian govt in bringing in these pakistanis into mainstream.

This post is full of fail.

You claim Political Parties give Sops to lagging communities, in hope that they will come out and vote for them. Similarly you call for sops to Pakistan in the form of Siachen to win over Pakistani people.

1. Why does "Hindu" India want to win over "Muslim" Pakistani people ?
2. And do you think giving Siachen will help India win over Pakistan, the same people who are destabilizing Balochistan, funding MQM, Sindhi freedom movement etc
3. Our Pakistani citizens same as Indian citizens and should be given the same rights ?
4. What will prevent Pakistan from not backstabbing India ?
5. If Pakistan can continue to hate the West, inspite of their aid and help, what makes you think they will love India, the country that broke their nation into two ?
6. Have sops ever helped a party come to power ?
7. Our political parties fighting elections, the govt ?


You that these sops should still be given knowing fully well that Pakistani state sponsored terrorists will continue to commit terrorism and murder innocent Indian men, women and children. Since a few terrorist acts by Indian muslims didn't stop the sops to the 200million strong muslim community

1. Indian muslims are citizens of India, their wellbeing is at the core of the Indian state. Inspite of acts of terror by a few, the Indian people, and state realizes that not all are terrorists. And those found guilty are punished to the highest extent possible under the constitution.
2. Pakistani state and people refuse to try those involved in terrorism, and instead lionize the terrorists.
3. Pakistani state is complicit in terrorism against India.
4. It is not India's duty or obligation to make Pakistan a liberal state.

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Coz you can't afford to have 200million disgruntled population sitting at your borders.Its not the Pakistani nukes which is a danger to india rather its the population of pakistan which is ticking nuke for india which can undo india.

In teh same way 1.2 billion disgruntled Indians are sitting at Pakistans borders too.

 

[ajtr]

Mr Ajtr perhaps you might remember that Indian PM was being very generous to Pakistan
in Sharm al Shaikh

That kicked such a huge storm in India In Parliament PM was accused of treachery and surrender

The PM nearly lost his job and during the Parliamentary debate nearly came to tears

So please dont expect that EVEN if PM wants to gift away Siachen ; the PEOPLE
of India would allow it

When SIMULTANEOUS protests break out in 20 indian Cities
AS has happened twice
[ Once when OBC reservations were rushed through in 2006
reducing General category seats
and Secondly when Anna Hazare was arrested ]

The GOI Congress party and the PM will have NO place to hide if the PM were to GIFT away Siachen to
Pakistan

Who is suggesting gifting away of siachin.only suggestion here is demilitarization of siachin by indian army.

 

[Bangalorean]

I have always maintained that Pakiness is a state of mind, not a nationality. Ajtr is a perfect example of oozing Pakiness from every orifice.

Look at the way she negotiates with a gun to her own head. "You cannot afford to have 200 million disgruntled Pakis at your borders, so you better do something for them, otherwise you will be in danger".

Verily, Pakistan is the nation-state equivalent of a suicide bomber.

 

[pankaj nema]

Its not daft rather its foresight.You are wrong in saying that people who demanded pakistan left india lock-stok and barrel.No they didnt.And with familes having ties and properties across the borders is also their return ticket back. to india.And clamour for India to save for them will will rise from indian population itself with in next 2-3 decades.millions of familes from pakistan own properties in india and they have blood ties accross the border.so in any case you cant just ignore them.If you do ignore them then there will be another blood-letting in india like that of 1947.

Mr Ajtr if you think that Indian Hindus will ALLOW this Nonsense again then you
are sadly mistaken

And Pakistanis are already very clear that they wont get any ASYLUM in India

Even now they are in a very bad condition But Pak Army will SHOOT its people rather than allowing its
people to stand in a queue outside Indian embassy

 

[Singh]

Who is suggesting gifting away of siachin.only suggestion here is demilitarization of siachin by indian army.

Let Pakistan acknowledge Siachen belongs to India. Sign the dotted line.

 

[Bangalorean]

In teh same way 1.2 billion disgruntled Indians are sitting at Pakistans borders too.

This is a good one.

Instead of blackmailing others with their disgruntled citizens, Pakis should be worried about what 1.2 billion disgruntled Indian citizens can do to their country.

 

[pankaj nema]

Who is suggesting gifting away of siachin.only suggestion here is demilitarization of siachin by indian army.

Mr Ajtr even demilitarisation is NOT acceptable to India I hope you UNDERSTAND this once and for all
and DO NOT try your LUCK wilth our PM MMS

Because Mr Ajtr Though Indian army is a Disciplined force

But the EX Generals the BJP and the Hardline ANTI Pakistan Hindus of India
who run into Several Hundred Million can pour cold water over our PM's fond desires

IF the PM was to make any such stupid move in June

At That very MOMENT BJP will declare the PM as a GADDAR and ALL Hell will break LOOSE

People of India dont protest too much but when they do the Governments are swept away

 

[Singh]

Mr Ajtr even demilitarisation is NOT acceptable to India I hope you UNDERSTAND this once and for all
and DO NOT try your LUCK wilth our PM MMS

Because Mr Ajtr Though Indian army is a Disciplined force

But the EX Generals the BJP and the Hardline ANTI Pakistan Hindus of India
who run into Several Hundred Million can pour cold water over our PM's fond desires

IF the PM was to make any such stupid move in June

At That very MOMENT BJP will declare the PM as a GADDAR and ALL Hell will break LOOSE

People of India dont protest too much but when they do the Governments are swept away

Indian Army is not opposed to de-militarisation.
PS: There are plenty of bleeding heart Hindus in India.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Coz you can't afford to have 200million disgruntled population sitting at your borders.Its not the Pakistani nukes which is a danger to india rather its the population of pakistan which is ticking nuke for india which can undo india.

Your misery comes from corrupt leaders and no national identity these
things are not India's responsibility. 200 million disgruntled Pakistans
don't mean a thing to USA where drones pound Pakistan daily. Why
should India be concerned? Has there ever been a point in history
pakistan was not disgruntled?

 

[pankaj nema]

Coz you can't afford to have 200million disgruntled population sitting at your borders.Its not the Pakistani nukes which is a danger to india rather its the population of pakistan which is ticking nuke for india which can undo india.

Mr Ajtr

Let these disgruntled Pakis kill each other OR EAT grass

We dont care We will shoot them ALL if they try to enter India

very Simple isnt it

Pakis might be starving but they still want to LIVE and not die so please spare us this crap
that we will be OVERWHELMED by the
bearded unwashed and Brainwashed Frothing at the mouth Pakis

 

[LurkerBaba]

Instead of blackmailing others with their disgruntled citizens, Pakis should be worried about what 1.2 billion disgruntled Indian citizens can do to their country.

1 Pakistani = 10 Indians remember ? That balances the odds

 

[Bangalorean]

1 Pakistani = 10 Indians remember ? That balances the odds

But can 1 Pakistani urinate the same quantity as 10 Indians?

If not, we can just inundate their country by commual peeing competitions and festivals held at the borders.

 

[pankaj nema]

But can 1 Pakistani urinate the same quantity as 10 Indians?

If not, we can just inundate their country by commual peeing competitions and festivals held at the borders.

Pakis always complain that India has stopped their rivers

SO Pakis please take our water

Here we come

 

[ajtr]

1. Why does "Hindu" India want to win over "Muslim" Pakistani people ?

coz muslim pakistan is extension of muslim india.

2. And do you think giving Siachen will help India win over Pakistan, the same people who are destabilizing Balochistan, funding MQM, Sindhi freedom movement etc

It would be one of the CBM to reduce trust deficit.

3. Our Pakistani citizens same as Indian citizens and should be given the same rights ?

Yes they are extension of muslim india by family links by having properties in india and hence should be treated so.

4. What will prevent Pakistan from not backstabbing India ?

what stops india backstabing pakistan ala in east pakistan.

5. If Pakistan can continue to hate the West, inspite of their aid and help, what makes you think they will love India, the country that broke their nation into two ?

Do you thing Indian mujahideen love india after all they are indian or kashmiris love india or PFI in kerala love india?

6. Have sops ever helped a party come to power ?

SPs sop to muslims.mamta banerjee's sop to muslims in westbengal.

7. Our political parties fighting elections, the govt ?

govt is also made by political parties only.

You that these sops should still be given knowing fully well that Pakistani state sponsored terrorists will continue to commit terrorism and murder innocent Indian men, women and children. Since a few terrorist acts by Indian muslims didn't stop the sops to the 200million strong muslim community

Doesnt indian govt offer sops to indian muslims knowing fully well there are disgrunlted elements in community like simi and IMs.Indian gvt dont blame whole community for the doing of few.

1. Indian muslims are citizens of India, their wellbeing is at the core of the Indian state. Inspite of acts of terror by a few, the Indian people, and state realizes that not all are terrorists. And those found guilty are punished to the highest extent possible under the constitution.

How can be indian muslim citizen will be well knowing that his daughter married accross border or other relative is not doing well.isnt it indirect responsibility of indian govt to look after well being of its citizens as u said so.

2. Pakistani state and people refuse to try those involved in terrorism, and instead lionize the terrorists.

bring in the solid proof and see them tried.how many india has tried successfully if u just look at cases of attacks happened in last decade only?cases goes on and on in indian courts for decades.

3. Pakistani state is complicit in terrorism against India.

so does india.

4. It is not India's duty or obligation to make Pakistan a liberal state.

Its indi's duty to set its extended home in order.none will do neithe usa nor nato nor china.it has to be done by india only.

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In teh same way 1.2 billion disgruntled Indians are sitting at Pakistans borders too.

Of 1.2 billion millions have extended ties across borders.

 

[ajtr]

Mr Ajtr if you think that Indian Hindus will ALLOW this Nonsense again then you
are sadly mistaken

And Pakistanis are already very clear that they wont get any ASYLUM in India

Even now they are in a very bad condition But Pak Army will SHOOT its people rather than allowing its
people to stand in a queue outside Indian embassy

you cant take high moral ground when indians do same to other indian citizens in kashmir NE, gujarat etc.