Shove MRCA in favor of AMCA

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hey guys lets talk about the pros and cons of shoving the MRCA deal in favor of the MCA,and put the 12 billion(multiply by a factor of 6,making it 72 billion,f22 was around 50) in the R&D of MCA.

We can get the MCA developed before 2013.
 

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No we can't.
So lets stop living in a dreamland.
MCA is not even off the drawing board yet, 2013 eh ?

We need the MRCA critically, to fill in the numbers of our depleting AF inventory.
 

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why is that soha??
developing the MCA with the MRCA will have the following effects-->

-better than the MRCA
-can get in more numbers
-less logistical problems
-less plane types

even the typhoon has american components,i am not saying it will be completely indigenous.
 

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why is that soha??
developing the MCA with the MRCA will have the following effects-->

-better than the MRCA
-can get in more numbers
-less logistical problems
-less plane types

even the typhoon has american components,i am not saying it will be completely indigenous.
Simply because its not coming up anytime around the deadline you mentioned.
And we cannot afford to wait for decades.
 

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soha please read the title...i mentioned using the MRCA money
 

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soha please read the title...i mentioned using the MRCA money
We are not short of funds.
We are short of technological know-hows, something which cannot be acquired out of the blue.
 

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then why arent we pouring money in LCA soha....we built 8 prototyops+25 years of work

total budget=1 billion

is this a joke
 

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then why arent we pouring money in LCA soha....we built 8 prototyops+25 years of work

total budget=1 billion

is this a joke
Because the LCA still has scope for improvement.
It would be mass-ordered when the IAF technicians are completely satisfied with it.
 

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shiv first you understand when the LCA started in 1983 the intent was put the project was not even defined till 1987.
 

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but that makes it even more important to put money in making the plane soha
 

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but that makes it even more important to put money in making the plane soha
Putting in more money will not lead to a sudden break-through.
The problems of the engine, payload and speed with full payload won't suddenly be solved if you pour more millions into it.

P.S. We are going off-topic.
 

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grde has pulled in SNEMCA or some foreign partner,and is close for completion

the MCA will have two advanced kaveri's solving its weight problems...
 

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I doubt HAL on it's own can come up with MCA production before 2015 in earliest. HAL is green regarding the stealth features. Also, HAL is always overestimating their efficiency. They are good, but they are not totally reliable.

Even if HAL comes with MCA design within 2013, it will take longer to set up production line and getting the fighters. By then most mig-21 will have to be retired. Without MMRCA there will remain a big hole in Indian defence.

MCA is for later, but MMRCA is needed erliest.
 

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grde has pulled in SNEMCA or some foreign partner,and is close for completion

the MCA will have two advanced kaveri's solving its weight problems...
I was referring to the LCA.
Why don't you understand that the MCA hasn't even been completely designed yet ?
No tooth-fairy coming over in the next few years to perform a miracle.
 

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MCA is based on LCA.

LCH is based on DHRUV,it is going to have its maiden flight in august..less than 2 years from the date of inception.

similary LOH is based on dhruv and is going to have its maiden flight in less than a year in time for the 197 chopper tender...

most of the tech needed in MCA has already been developed in LCA,what we need is the following-->

1.internal weapons store development

2.reflective stealth technology.

3.advanced avionics(that we import)

4.advanced weapon systems and jammers(that we import)
 

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pranab mukerjee in 2005 said in parliament that the work on MCA has started....remember this we got to know about ATV recently and its in development since before 1985
 

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They say that MCA is based on LCA. But whatever probable models' pics I've seen shows completely diff. structure + MCA will be a stealth a/c, which LCA is not... the LCA's RCS is low because of it's smaller size, so HAL needs to work on stealth technology from the scratch which took US over 20 years to perfect and russia over 10 or so (yet to know how far along russia is though).

The 2 points you mentioned to be developed indegenously, makes it a completely new model than LCA.
 

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MCA is based on LCA.

LCH is based on DHRUV,it is going to have its maiden flight in august..less than 2 years from the date of inception.

similary LOH is based on dhruv and is going to have its maiden flight in less than a year in time for the 197 chopper tender...

most of the tech needed in MCA has already been developed in LCA,what we need is the following-->

1.internal weapons store development

2.reflective stealth technology.

3.advanced avionics(that we import)

4.advanced weapon systems and jammers(that we import)
Why are you getting LCH in the middle ?

All the genius steps that you have mentioned come after the basic designing is completed, which is not.
 

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jack the LCH is based on DHRUV and still looks completely different with completely different set of capabilities and objectives,and it took less than two years
 

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LCH is not a generation jump from Dhruv but modified Dhruv.... MCA can't be modified LCA but completely new plane a whole genration ahead of LCA with STEALTH feature, more heavier and needs to more aero-dynamic to become a air-superiority fighter.
 

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