S400: General Discussion and India's deployment of the AD system

[Super falcon]

Made to take on prioity targets such as AWACS fighter jets ballistic and cruise missles nothing ledd

 

[Super Flanker]

Made to take on prioity targets such as AWACS fighter jets ballistic and cruise missles nothing ledd

S-400 is meant to Destroy Targets like the Following:

• Strategic bombers such as the B-1, FB-111, and B-52H
• Electronic warfare airplanes such as the EF-111A, and EA-6
• Reconnaissance airplanes such as the TR-1
• Early-warning radar airplanes such as the E-3A and E-2C
• Fighter airplanes such as the F-15, F-16
• Ballistic missiles (range up to 3,500 km)

And yes also at the same time High RCS and High Value Targets like AWACS, Refueling tankers, Transport Aircrafts etc.
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[MonaLazy]

Ukraine Su-27 was shot down by Russian S400 from Belarus 150KM away in Kyiv; setting a world record. The pilot was Ukraine’s legendary Colonel Oleksandr Oksanchenko who was well known for his airshow performances. Pakistan has lot to worry..

 

[Super Flanker]

Ukraine Su-27 was shot down by Russian S400 from Belarus 150KM away in Kyiv; setting a world record. The pilot was Ukraine’s legendary Colonel Oleksandr Oksanchenko who was well known for his airshow performances. Pakistan has lot to worry..

150 Kms? Than I can assure you that the Russian S-400 Stationed in Belarus which shot down the Ukrainian SU-27 used the 400 km (40N6E) missile.

 

[BON PLAN]

150 Kms? Than I can assure you that the Russian S-400 Stationed in Belarus which shot down the Ukrainian SU-27 used the 400 km (40N6E) missile.

This Su27 was not a recent one, and lacks of up to date electronic counter measure system. It helps.

 

[Super Flanker]

This Su27 was not a recent one, and lacks of up to date electronic counter measure system. It helps.

Regardless of whether the SU-27 was a decent 1 or not, I know that out the the Russian S-400 located in Belarus used either the range: 400 km (40N6E missile) or the 250 km (48N6 missile).

 

[Photon]

S-400 supply to India probably will hit very soon... Russian super power mith also bursting, hope our generals will learn the lessons of indigenisation

Russia would have received Bavar 373 air defense missile system from Iran | Defense News April 2022 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2022 | Archive News year

Russia would have received military equipment and weapons from Iran for its war effort in Ukraine, including Bavar 373 air defense missile system

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[Shashank Nayak]

S-400 supply to India probably will hit very soon... Russian super power mith also bursting, hope our generals will learn the lessons of indigenisation

Russia would have received Bavar 373 air defense missile system from Iran | Defense News April 2022 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2022 | Archive News year

Russia would have received military equipment and weapons from Iran for its war effort in Ukraine, including Bavar 373 air defense missile system

www.armyrecognition.com

Russia hasn't expended any area defense systems during the Ukraine War.. It has only lost some short range mobile SAM systems in Ukraine.. Russia doesn't need IRANIAN SAM systems..

 

[JBH22]

This Su27 was not a recent one, and lacks of up to date electronic counter measure system. It helps.

Well it was shot down. If we go by same logic, Rafale exceptional performance in Libya was against more decrepit soviet era system. So what is good for goose is good for gander.
If west can boast about system capability fighting sanctioned state, you can give Russia same benefit of doubt

 

[Butter Chicken]

Turkey crying

 

[MonaLazy]

#BREAKING : The House of Representatives of the US Congress approved an exception from the CAATSA sanctions regime for #India in connection with the purchase of S-400 air defense systems.

#BREAKING : 1/ Indian-American Congressman Ro Khanna said in a speech on the floor of the House of Representatives that there is no relationship of greater sigificance to the #US Strategic Interest then the US-India partnership.

2/ He added, It is necessary to affirm demcracies, it is necessary to stop China's border aggression, it's necessary for us to lead in critical technologies.

3/ This gives a sense that while building this relationship, we shouldn't be sanctioning #India under CAATSA and it also help facilitate the #India getting more of their defense from the #UnitedStates and not from #Russia, he concluded.

Spoiler: tweet

 

[maximus777]

 

[BON PLAN]

#BREAKING : The House of Representatives of the US Congress approved an exception from the CAATSA sanctions regime for #India in connection with the purchase of S-400 air defense systems.

#BREAKING : 1/ Indian-American Congressman Ro Khanna said in a speech on the floor of the House of Representatives that there is no relationship of greater sigificance to the #US Strategic Interest then the US-India partnership.

2/ He added, It is necessary to affirm demcracies, it is necessary to stop China's border aggression, it's necessary for us to lead in critical technologies.

3/ This gives a sense that while building this relationship, we shouldn't be sanctioning #India under CAATSA and it also help facilitate the #India getting more of their defense from the #UnitedStates and not from #Russia, he concluded.

Spoiler: tweet

The Turkish reaction will be interesting.

 

[Blademaster]

The Turkish reaction will be interesting.

It is already interesting. Lol.

 

[omaebakabaka]

The Turkish reaction will be interesting.

Turkey is NATO, so different discomfort to US than India or non nato. India carries more weight every year and Turkey is on downslide by any parameter. India is the only counter to China and US can;t be rash with India without being stupid.

 

[BON PLAN]

Turkey is NATO, so different discomfort to US than India or non nato. India carries more weight every year and Turkey is on downslide by any parameter. India is the only counter to China and US can;t be rash with India without being stupid.

NATO or not, the problem is the possible leak of secret datas through S400 here, Huawei 5G there....

But I agree, India is quite a reliable partner and in fact a potential friend for USA against China.

 

[omaebakabaka]

NATO or not, the problem is the possible leak of secret datas through S400 here, Huawei 5G there....

But I agree, India is quite a reliable partner and in fact a potential friend for USA against China.

Agree but NATO is integrated deeply into their early warning and other systems. Greece and few others did have s300 but Turkey is on a different trust level. This is more to do with them squeezing Russians apart from compromising few technical aspects.

 

[lcafanboy]

 

[WolfPack86]

Fear of US Sanctions, Payment Method Issues Stall Russia's Military Supply to India: Report
New Delhi: The supply of all forms of defence equipment to India from Russia has stalled due to the fears of sanctions by the United States, and both parties are struggling to find a payment method to wriggle out of the issue. While India is unable to settle payments in US dollars due to the fear of sanctions, Russia has turned down India’s request to make payments in rupees.

According to Bloomberg, about $ 2 billion in payments from India to Russia is stuck over the last year, and Russia has decided to stop supplying credit for about $10 billion worth of spare parts as well as two S-400 missile-defence system batteries that are yet to be delivered.

Russia is India’s largest supplier of defence equipment. Despite the appeals from the West to stop trading with Russia, in the wake of the Ukraine war, India has continued to import equipment from Russia over the last year. To escape sanctions, both countries have tried to bypass the dollar payment system from last year, however, the process has not been that smooth. The resulting disruptions have not only affected new purchases but also have had an impact on the maintenance of Russian-made military equipment currently under use by Indian forces.

While India has not been able to settle its payments in US dollars, Russia is unwilling to accept payments in rupees due to fluctuating exchange rates. The inability on the part of India to make payments in US dollars is due to fears of being slapped with secondary sanctions by the US, according to officials in the know of things.

Secondary sanctions are intended to discourage non-US persons or organisations from engaging in specific transactions. They are designed to prevent third parties (in this case India) from trading with countries subject to sanctions (in this case Russia).

Although India did contemplate paying in Russian rubles, it is concerned about not getting a fair rate in the open market, officials told Bloomberg.

Russia is also said to have turned down India’s offer that the former use rupee proceeds from weapon sales to invest in Indian debt and capital markets to avoid stockpiling.

The Indian side has also considered paying in euros and dirhams – which India generally uses for imports of discounted Russian crude oil – to pay for the weaponry. However, officials said, using the same for defence equipment would invite more scrutiny from the US than when the said currencies are used for buying oil. Besides, India could also be at a loss due to unfavourable exchange rates, the officials said.

Indian authorities have also tried to propose the idea that Russia balance the payments from India by adjusting them with the purchase of Indian goods. However, the idea had to be dropped given that Russia has a trade surplus of $37 billion (according to last year’s figures) with India.

The Indian forces use more than 250 Su-30 MKi Russian-made fighter jets, seven Kilo-class submarines and more than 1,200 Russian-made T-90 tanks – all of which are expected to be in use for another decade and would be in need of spare parts and maintenance from Russian defence firms.

The knotty issue has and will continue to affect Indian Air Force the most given that it has, in its possession, a large number of Russian fighter jets and helicopters. This, officials say, could have an adverse effect on the preparedness and operational abilities of the Indian forces.

Although India has tried to wean itself off from the Russian influence for its defence procurement in the last few years, Russia still continues to be India’s largest supplier. According to Russian state news agencies, Russia had supplied India with $13 billion worth of arms in the past five years.


As of February this year, India had also placed a requisition for another $10 billion worth of arms and military equipment with Russia. India’s procurement accounts for 20% of Russia’s defence exports.

Despite Western sanctions against Russia and global appeals to India to stop trading with Russia in the wake of the Ukraine war, India has continued with its exports from Russia. Since the start of the Ukraine war in February 2022, India has maintained that dialogue and diplomacy are necessary to end the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and has made it clear that it would not snap its economic ties with Russia.

Fear of US Sanctions, Payment Method Issues Stall Russia's Military Supply to India: Report

About $2 billion in payments from India to Russia have been stuck over the last one year. Russia has decided to stop supplying credit for about $10 billion worth of spare parts. The issue could affect the Indian defence forces's operational ability.

thewire.in

 

[BON PLAN]

Fear of US Sanctions, Payment Method Issues Stall Russia's Military Supply to India: Report
New Delhi: The supply of all forms of defence equipment to India from Russia has stalled due to the fears of sanctions by the United States, and both parties are struggling to find a payment method to wriggle out of the issue. While India is unable to settle payments in US dollars due to the fear of sanctions, Russia has turned down India’s request to make payments in rupees.

According to Bloomberg, about $ 2 billion in payments from India to Russia is stuck over the last year, and Russia has decided to stop supplying credit for about $10 billion worth of spare parts as well as two S-400 missile-defence system batteries that are yet to be delivered.

Russia is India’s largest supplier of defence equipment. Despite the appeals from the West to stop trading with Russia, in the wake of the Ukraine war, India has continued to import equipment from Russia over the last year. To escape sanctions, both countries have tried to bypass the dollar payment system from last year, however, the process has not been that smooth. The resulting disruptions have not only affected new purchases but also have had an impact on the maintenance of Russian-made military equipment currently under use by Indian forces.

While India has not been able to settle its payments in US dollars, Russia is unwilling to accept payments in rupees due to fluctuating exchange rates. The inability on the part of India to make payments in US dollars is due to fears of being slapped with secondary sanctions by the US, according to officials in the know of things.

Secondary sanctions are intended to discourage non-US persons or organisations from engaging in specific transactions. They are designed to prevent third parties (in this case India) from trading with countries subject to sanctions (in this case Russia).

Although India did contemplate paying in Russian rubles, it is concerned about not getting a fair rate in the open market, officials told Bloomberg.

Russia is also said to have turned down India’s offer that the former use rupee proceeds from weapon sales to invest in Indian debt and capital markets to avoid stockpiling.

The Indian side has also considered paying in euros and dirhams – which India generally uses for imports of discounted Russian crude oil – to pay for the weaponry. However, officials said, using the same for defence equipment would invite more scrutiny from the US than when the said currencies are used for buying oil. Besides, India could also be at a loss due to unfavourable exchange rates, the officials said.

Indian authorities have also tried to propose the idea that Russia balance the payments from India by adjusting them with the purchase of Indian goods. However, the idea had to be dropped given that Russia has a trade surplus of $37 billion (according to last year’s figures) with India.

The Indian forces use more than 250 Su-30 MKi Russian-made fighter jets, seven Kilo-class submarines and more than 1,200 Russian-made T-90 tanks – all of which are expected to be in use for another decade and would be in need of spare parts and maintenance from Russian defence firms.

The knotty issue has and will continue to affect Indian Air Force the most given that it has, in its possession, a large number of Russian fighter jets and helicopters. This, officials say, could have an adverse effect on the preparedness and operational abilities of the Indian forces.

Although India has tried to wean itself off from the Russian influence for its defence procurement in the last few years, Russia still continues to be India’s largest supplier. According to Russian state news agencies, Russia had supplied India with $13 billion worth of arms in the past five years.


As of February this year, India had also placed a requisition for another $10 billion worth of arms and military equipment with Russia. India’s procurement accounts for 20% of Russia’s defence exports.

Despite Western sanctions against Russia and global appeals to India to stop trading with Russia in the wake of the Ukraine war, India has continued with its exports from Russia. Since the start of the Ukraine war in February 2022, India has maintained that dialogue and diplomacy are necessary to end the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and has made it clear that it would not snap its economic ties with Russia.

Fear of US Sanctions, Payment Method Issues Stall Russia's Military Supply to India: Report

About $2 billion in payments from India to Russia have been stuck over the last one year. Russia has decided to stop supplying credit for about $10 billion worth of spare parts. The issue could affect the Indian defence forces's operational ability.

thewire.in

If it is true (the fear of USA sanction), it is a definitive NO GO for main US weapons deal, as F15 EX.