Russia Ukraine War 2022

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Is all officially registred in India? Big doubt.

75% of rape cases are frauds.

 

[The Shrike]

That's a lot of building on fire - I hope it didn't crash into a maternity ward or something.
/s.

 

[ww2historian]

You still don't get it? Even if we accept your claim that power plants are military targets, these Kh-22 missiles are highly inaccurate, often miss the mark by 500 meters or more. In Kremenchug, Kh-22 wasnt intercepted at all and still it missed the mark by 450 meters and killed dozens of civilians in the local mall.

So, these tragedies occur not because of the Ukrainian air defense, but due to the fact that RuSSia is using these huge, highly inaccurate missiles, which were originally designed to sink aircraft carriers by nuclear strikes, for pinpoint strikes in the densely populated urban territory. How much has one to love Putin to overlook that?

I've looked into this a little more, and it hasn't been proven that it was a KH-22. They are inaccurate, but not by the amount you stated. My sources said they're inaccuracy is 100 to 300 meters. Also it's been reported that a KH-22 would of done way more damage than was done to that building. However the most interesting part is Ukraine admitting they cannot intercept the KH-22, but Arestovych, said it was intercepted, so if that's the case, it was not a KH-22, or Russia carelessly misused this missile. I personally think it wasn't a KH-22, because Russia has much better targets to use them on, like big buildings in Bhakmut, or train stations/ammo depots. So once again none of us have all the facts, and we are left to make educated guesses. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...has-no-defense-against-russias-kh-22-missiles

 

[Blackmamba]

Is all officially registred in India? Big doubt.

All country report their murder rate since it is difficult to hide a dead body.
and uncle sam homicide rate is double that of India.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

 

[ww2historian]

The war has taken fair toll on your cognitive skills.

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Trust me the murder rate is higher than that in the US. Most of the missing persons are people that have been murdered, but are not counted as murder victims. You have to have a body, and serial killers like Ted Bundy, and mobster victim's bodies are never found.
How many US citizens are missing?


Many people go missing every year, with the U.S. reporting the highest number. According to the NCIC, 521,705 were reported missing in 2021.

 

[Master Chief]

Juice not gonna be happy.

I am also not happy.. Where will we run for Emergency procurement of Artillery shells if China attacks tomorrow? Uncle Sam will strip Israel naked soon.. Maybe South Africa could supply supply us half a dose .. But, give Yankees a month, they will disarm South Africa as well..

 

[Blackmamba]

Is all officially registred in India? Big doubt.

For rape let me quote British Foreign & Commonwealth Office (FCO) British Behaviour Abroad report which shows that Britons getting into preventable problems abroad. Based on cases reported to FCO staff around the world.

*BBA report draft (publishing.service.gov.uk)
As you can see for India Crime rate is not high compared to other country

 

[Master Chief]

Already US has carried away 100k 155 mm artillery shells from South korea, and the war with North Korea is officially still not over.. And I think that was just the beginning..

 

[kittoo420]

Sab Ambani se mile hue hain ji!

 

[Picard]

@Picard Croatia no longer glorifies Ustase right?

I will start caring about that once our politicians and historians stop glorifying the Communists. As bad as the Ustashi were, at least they weren't out to destroy Croatia outright.

the croat and serb war depends on tank variation used as you might have not known T-72s have different class armor and can use different sabot rounds. Leopard 2A4s were getting destroyed by konkurs and fagots in the syrian war and even the latest variations of leopards 2s wont make it magically immune to Kornets atleast the U.S. has learned from the jews to use a projectile APS system.

When Russians retreated from Kherson there were no bodies everywhere or destroyed equipment that Julian Roepke was like where is all the destroyed russian equipment? When Ukrainians retreated from Soledar these were the results.

Ukraine claims that 30k out of 40k Wagners were wiped out, but if that was the case, they would need re-enforcements to regroup not attack in all directions again towards Bakhmut or Seversk. I have seen like a report 2 months ago were Russians claim like 800 tanks were wiped out with 5 of them being T-90s but if you even gave a shit about the war ukrainians even when they pushed the russians back gave 5 to 1 russian loss ratios when they launhced offensives in september.

Both sides in Croatian war used anything from T-55 to M-84 (which at the time was one of the most advanced tanks in the world). In Vukovar specifically, Serbs lost at least a hundred armored vehicles of which maybe half a dozen to dozen M-84 tanks. Main issue for Serbs were tactics - M-84s were not well escorted by infantry - but on the flip side, Croatian troops in Vukovar had very limited supplies of anti-tank weapons. So limited, in fact, that they had to rely on improvization, like literally throwing AT mine under the track because there weren't enough mines to create a minefield.

What is important there is that during the first phase of the war, we had literally no support from the West (which makes me rather wary of Western plans for Ukraine should it win this war... Ukraine is basically Homer Simpson in this clip). West, and especially the EU, declared weapons embargo and were content so sit back and wait for Serbia to conquer us. Only countries which provided serious help were Argentine and former Warsaw Pact countries - Poland, Hungary, Ukraine etc. Not sure about Russia, but even if it didn't help outright, it did basically turn a blind eye... Main enemies of Croatia at the time, outside Serbia, were United Kingdom (which proposed that Serbia and Croatia should have common rule (condominium) over Baranja and Eastern Slavonia; and United States.

All of this meant that Croatian army was down to using improvised antitank weapons, World War 2 vintage artillery and whatever could be captured. Yet Yugoslav Army and Serb rebels still bled tanks like crazy when faced with these. Granted, majority of these tanks were T-55, but some T-72 and M-84 tanks were also destroyed.

How important is this? Well, everybody - from Croatian leadership to YNA planners and foreign observers - expected Vukovar to fall within two days. City was defended by few hundred members of the regular army (ZNG) and Special Police Forces and little over a thousand volunteers. Of antitank weapons, they had few hundred outdated "Zolja" RPGs and maybe a dozen modern "Osa", as well as some antitank mines - which, as I said, had to be placed right in front of the tank so it would run over it.

Despite all of that, losses at Vukovar essentially destroyed the offensive power of the Yugoslav Army. From that point onwards, most fighting would be done by Serb rebels.

And that is why I am so sceptical of Russian claims. From what I have seen, everybody - from Western observers to Russian planners - has underestimated the value and combat strength of well-organized territorial militia fighting defensively.

You still need professional troops for offensive, maneuver operations, of course; but militia cannot be discounted and should not be underestimated.

As for claims: as I said, both sides lie. If either side's claims were correct, the other side should have been rendered combat-incapable months ago.

Oryx claims are also not to be taken as 100%truth also,because he made claims Ukraine captured 1000s of vehicles,and Ukraine had small losses. In June last year he claimed Ukraine lost just over a 1000 armoured vehicles and lost single digit numbers of helicopters. A Ukrainian official admitted nearly 2500 armoured vehicles lost to an American defence website,including 400 tanks in that period:


"The commander of the logistics of the Command of the Ground Forces, Vladimir Karpenko, spoke about this in an interview with National Defense.

“I won’t talk about anti-tank guided missiles or anti-tank guided weapons yet. I’m talking only about heavy weapons. Today we have about 30-40%, and sometimes up to 50% of equipment losses as a result of active battles. Thus, we have lost about 50% lost about 1,300 infantry fighting vehicles, 400 tanks and 700 artillery systems,” Karpenko said."

That is before Ukraine went on their offensives later in the year,which as you said means heavier losses of vehicles in such scenarios.

Ukraine had over 1000 operational tanks before the war started. Nearly 2000 pieces of artillery and rocket launchers,1000s of armoured crew transport vehicles,etc.

Poland and other countries supplied 100s of tanks and 1000s of armoured vehicles(think in total we have supplied over 3000 vehicles so far):

Answering The Call: Heavy Weaponry Supplied To Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

So if you add the 1000s of vehicles Ukraine had before the war,the 3000 Oryx claimed they have captured and the over 4000 vehicles we supplied so far,why is Ukraine needing more vehicles if losses are so low as claimed on twitter? He was saying Ukraine had more vehicles now than before the war started.

Now we are supplying front line tanks,etc which are being drawn from our frontline reserves which one conclude means heavy losses of Ukrainian armour. Nobody needs to look at any claims from both sides or from social media to see this.

True enough, but I doubt Ukraine had received 10 000 or more tanks that it would need to make up for all the losses Russians have claimed to have inflicted. Unless, of course, significant number of lost vehicles are returned to service later.

You claim the Russians are doing poorly in Ukraine because they are using thousands of tanks with a 125mm smooth bore gun that can destroy any armored vehicle and tank used by Ukraine. If that's the best logical argument you can make, Ukraine is in big trouble.

I claim that Russians are using tanks which historically have proven not very difficult to destroy, which makes Ukrainian claims of heavy Russian tank losses more believable. Of course, Ukrainians are also using same tank models.

Sorry westoid, we are not invested in this war as much as you are, so we have a higher moral authority to guage the facts- you don't.

Go back to kindergarten, please.

Moral authority is no authority at all. The only moral argument that deserves to be made is that any and every ethnic group deserves to have conditions in which its survival will be guaranteed.

Ah yes, the known fact that made US lose far more troops and equipment than Iraq or Afghanistan when attacking. Sure Sure.
we don't care for your westoid propaganda, simple.

Ah yes, because fighting third world desert rats is the same as fighting European army.

Iraqis literally went "May I surrender now, pretty please?" the moment bombs started falling. They surrendered to UAVs and journalists, for crying out loud.

When was the last time you saw Ukrainian soldiers surrendering to a news crew?

Same reason we see hunk of junk POS A-10 warthogs and Panavia tornados in Iraq - if your obsolete shit is good enough, you use obsolete shit first. Duh.

Neither of these were obsolete at the time, and are not even now.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Yes.. exciting times.. We need the war to go on for a long time.. I just want to see whether US or Russia stands up to the ultimate test..

After finishing its own 155 mm shell stocks, and buying Pakistani stocks.. US is now transferring Israeli artillery stocks of 300k ( under cover of saying its actually US stocks ).. I hope that by the end of this war US and its clients don't end up naked..

They'll fire all of it and it won't make any difference. This logistics gravy train will have to slow down soon. It takes time to make ammo. Rassha can keep producing ammo on war footing as their factories are under no threat. And they are sitting on the world's largest stockpile of unused munitions.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Go back to kindergarten, please.

Moral authority is no authority at all. The only moral argument that deserves to be made is that any and every ethnic group deserves to have conditions in which its survival will be guaranteed.

Sure. An anglo making such an argument is ironic, given that you have erased even the languages of your fellow Brit islanders. Good thing that none of that is at stake in this war. And we don't take lessons on morality or values from anglo savages.

Ah yes, because fighting third world desert rats is the same as fighting European army

Iraqis literally went "May I surrender now, pretty please?" the moment bombs started falling. They surrendered to UAVs and journalists, for crying out loud.

When was the last time you saw Ukrainian soldiers surrendering to a news crew?

I see your Ukronazis, i raise you Talibunnies and vietnamese rice farmers. You westoids are can't win vs Asian hillbillies, the only side you can win are third rate armies that you are suppliers of, who can't even make their own bullets.
Big talk for westoids who's score in the last 70 years is 1-3 in Asia.

Neither of these were obsolete at the time, and are not even now.

They are completely obsolete against any half decent air force, chump.

 

[Chimpoo]

Interesting times ahead with Ukraine getting Apaches, hellfires, patriot batteries etc. Not sure how Russia is planning to counter those.

One hell of a package. We've to spend billions to get even one of those :

That news about Britain handing over Apache helicopters to Ukraine is incorrect ( according to Britain's Ministry of Defence):



And the news website that first reported this seems to have deleted the article:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-sends-apache-helicopters-armed-28955516.amp?s=09

 

[NutCracker]

That's a lot of building on fire - I hope it didn't crash into a maternity ward or something.
/s.

It was a kindergarten.. online reports say 3 kids dead , a dozen injured

 

[Picard]

Sure. An anglo making such an argument is ironic, given that you have erased even the languages of your fellow Brit islanders. Good thing that none of that is at stake in this war. And we don't take lessons on morality or values from anglo savages.

How much one can learn from a single sentence.

Just now, I have learned that you:
- don't know how to read
- don't recognize the flags.

I have Croatian flag straight there in my avatar. What in the world made you think I'm an "anglo"?

I see your Ukronazis, i raise you Talibunnies and vietnamese rice farmers. You westoids are can't win vs Asian hillbillies, the only side you can win are third rate armies that you are suppliers of, who can't even make their own bullets.
Big talk for westoids who's score in the last 70 years is 1-3 in Asia.

And? Russia failed to win in Chechenia, Serbia failed to win against Croatia... stronger side losing against weaker one is hardly unusual.

They are completely obsolete against any half decent air force, chump.

Which they will never face - unlike Russian aircraft, none of them are likely to be sent against a first world enemy.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

How much one can learn from a single sentence.

Just now, I have learned that you:
- don't know how to read
- don't recognize the flags.

I have Croatian flag straight there in my avatar. What in the world made you think I'm an "anglo"?

Underlings of the anglos are still anglos in my books. You croats are even worse, fighting with your brothers due to religion and inventing a make-believe language, when your language is actually just serbian ( so is bosniak). You have no right to talk to us about morality. The balkans are a case study on lack of it, petty politics and petty, barbaric & primitive cultural concepts.

And? Russia failed to win in Chechenia, Serbia failed to win against Croatia... stronger side losing against weaker one is hardly unusual.

Except Russia won the 2nd Chechen war. Stronger side losing against weaker side is not unusual,unless ofcourse, it becomes a consistent pattern, like with your yankee masters. Lost korea, lost vietnam, lost afghanistan. Iraq - a nation that yankees supplied with weapons and who weren't even capable of making their own bullets- is their ONLY win in the last 70 years.

Which they will never face - unlike Russian aircraft, none of them are likely to be sent against a first world enemy.

Forget first world enemy, those hunk of junk won't last 10 seconds vs the Pakistani Air Force or another dozen air forces that arent first world nations.
Your first world nations, barring USA, would ALL get their asses handed to them by us or China or even Pakistan. So fcuk your first world militaries. Overrated losers who lose due to being too cowardly and inept at war.

 

[DumbPilot]

Which they will never face - unlike Russian aircraft, none of them are likely to be sent against a first world enemy.

In addition: A-10s aren't even sent until the airspace is clear.

 

[Blademaster]

In addition: A-10s aren't even sent until the airspace is clear.

And neither the AC-130 gunships making it only fit for fighting against insurgents who have no shoulder launched SAMs.

 

[Master Chief]

And neither the AC-130 gunships making it only fit for fighting against insurgents who have no shoulder launched SAMs.

Soon we will see F-Shola in Ukraine..

 

[ww2historian]

Russia is showing Wagner's who are now free after their 6 month contract was up. This will prove to other prisoners that Russia kept it's word, and that will motivate more convicts to join the Wagner PMC. Ukraine has to counter act this with pure bullshit, because they know a ton of prisoners will sign up with Wagners. This video of Wagner's crying about being shelled is so fake it's laughable. Ukraine needs better actors.