Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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ww2historian

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Any sign of Denys Prokopenko? Did his own troops shoot him for saying "Do not make heroes out of deserters and fighters who voluntarily surrendered, they chose the path of shame and in no way should these people be glorified" - Azov commander Denis Prokopenko, around a month ago)??
 

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‘Does anybody know, how many Ukrainian troops (other than sick or wounded on stretchers) surrendered at Mariupol. That will indicate how a small but determined band of Ukrainians kept the Russians at bay for 12 weeks.
Russian MoD estimates 2000+ Ukrainian troops in azovtoval plant. In entirety of Mariupol around 1500 troops also surrendered in April. Number of Ukrainians was no where small, conservative estimate of atleast 5k and thousands of civilians.
 

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I think most enemy infantry zones will be rich in ATGM. We do not need tanks anyways when there is no presence of enemy infantry. With tanks, enemy gets a clearly visible, slow moving target which can be taken out easily.
Terrain, as you rightly said, are important. Different terrains will require different strategies.

But even if we take example of dense forest, it would be easier to operate drone than a tank. Tank will find no movement except on roads (where they can be targeted) while drones flying all over the forest can identify hiding enemies through heat signatures.
ATGMs have its own limitations. ATGMs are expensive bits of weapon that needs sperate training for effectively using them. You just have to use tanks more carefully in combat.

Even MANPADs are present in UKR in numbers. When it did some grievous damage to Russkie chopper fleet, once the Russian leadership woke up from their slumber and changed tactics, the loss of choppers to MANPADs have come down.

So, tanks will need to change tactics and adapt to new war scenarios. It cannot go in a theatre alone or minimum screening as a boss it used to. It will have to be used in battles where it is accompanied by good forward screening by drones counter anti-tank systems like BMPT Terminator and even drones specialised in taking out enemy ATGM teams. Tanks are important not only for the protection it has, but mainly because of the direct mobile fire power it brings. A 125mm HE shell directly fired at an enemy position can do what a drone dropping a bomb wont be able to do.

The Russkies screwed up at many level in the initial thrust. The military planners sucked. I don't know if any war ever saw a armoured column stuck in a 60 KM long traffic jam in the history of warfare!

But, they have learned and evolved. The losses in armour too have come down. Given the nmbers of ATGMs being recovered from UKRpositions by Russians and DPR militias, the reduced number of losses is not because the UKR has run out of ATGMs.
 

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Why does Russian army even need crowd-funded drones and tablets? Can someone from pooty-gang enlighten us and pass that sweet copium cigar?

 

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Why does Russian army even need crowd-funded drones and tablets? Can someone from pooty-gang enlighten us and pass that sweet copium cigar?

And what does that tell you about your ubermensch Ukrainian defenders from Andromeda galaxy who are getting their bloody daylights getting kicked outta them despite having all the best of the goodies from the West's arsenal and having numerical superiority over the Russians to top it off??!! Why are their defenses crumbling all across the Donbas front, despite having spent nearly a decade fortifying the shit outta the entire bloody country??!! Why are they getting trapped like little rats in the Russian cauldrons??

Can someone from your chutya-gang enlighten us and pass that sweet copium cigar, Mr. fake Geralt??
 
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And what does that tell about your ubermensch Ukrainian defenders from Jupiter who are getting their bloody daylights getting kicked outta them despite having all the best of the goodies from the West's arsenal and having numerical superiority over the Russians to top it off??!! Why are their defenses crumbling all across the Donbas front??!!

Can someone from your chutya-gang enlighten us and pass that sweet copium cigar, Mr. Walking insult to mankind??
Ok, Mr. Blood+ from Pooty-gang. Thank you for your response. we'll wait for the "chutya-gang" to reply now.
 

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Cornered Putin trying to bring his poor and emaciated "friends" around to be involved in Ukraine.

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Gareebon Ka NATO kehlane ke layak bhi nahi
Russia is simply too weak and isolated to outlast the west
 

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And what does that tell you about your ubermensch Ukrainian defenders from Andromeda galaxy who are getting their bloody daylights getting kicked outta them despite having all the best of the goodies from the West's arsenal and having numerical superiority over the Russians to top it off??!! Why are their defenses crumbling all across the Donbas front, despite having spent nearly a decade fortifying the shit outta the entire bloody country??!! Why are they getting trapped like little rats in the Russian cauldrons??

Can someone from your chutya-gang enlighten us and pass that sweet copium cigar, Mr. fake Geralt??
I don't think the Ukrainians heard of Patton's famous quote. “Fixed fortifications are monuments to man’s stupidity.”
 

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I don't think the Ukrainians heard of Patton's famous quote. “Fixed fortifications are monuments to man’s stupidity.”
Yeah, seems like it. I mean, yeah, they'll have their place but the Ukrainians seem to have made this the cornerstone of their entire strategy and that's what is now coming to bite them hard in their arse.
 

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Cornered Putin trying to bring his poor and emaciated "friends" around to be involved in Ukraine.

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Gareebon Ka NATO kehlane ke layak bhi nahi
Russia is simply too weak and isolated to outlast the west
The same west that could never decisively win a single war in the past 50 years you mean?? Mind you, I said war and not battles.
 

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Cornered Putin trying to bring his poor and emaciated "friends" around to be involved in Ukraine.

:bplease:


Gareebon Ka NATO kehlane ke layak bhi nahi
Russia is simply too weak and isolated to outlast the west
Big bravado talk considering that Russia's economy is doing well and its currency is much stronger than before the war started. Inflation has not come to Russia unlike EU and US.

Are you sure you an Indian? You seems to have a hard on for the US and the western. Why do you dislike the Russians so much considering what they have done for India in the past unlike the US who have consistently betrayed India from time to time.
 

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