Russia Ukraine War 2022

[ww2historian]

I should of been using the word “cauldron" instead of encirclement. This is a great article...
‘Cauldron’ is a cool military term for encirclement. Why call surrounded troops a “cauldron”? We have the Germans to thank for this term. “Kessel” is the German word for “cauldron” and that term was used by German generals to describe the result of surrounding opposing military forces. Russian military doctrine uses the word “cauldron” to describe a very large, strategic-level concentration of trapped enemy forces. This differs from the terms used to describe the encirclement of an operational unit (such as an isolated battalion) or a tactical unit (a company-sized element). The Russians refer to those as Sack (i.e. meshok) and Nest (gnezdo) respectively.

Russian sources are reporting (and Ukrainian sources are not denying) that a major breakthrough came today in Popasnaya, with the Ukrainian Armed forces withdrawing to the west toward Kramatorsk. The city of Lisichansk is co-located with the city of Sieverodonetsk. There is a large Ukrainian army force dug in around Sieverodonetsk and they now face an increased risk of being cooked in a Russian cauldron when the troops that captured Popasnaya link up with Russian forces moving south from LYMAN (it is north of Kramatorsk).

This map provides a better overview of the location of the Ukrainian army (circled in yellow) and the movement of the Russian forces (red, what else?): The Ukrainian units are not completely cut off. Some supplies have gotten thru but not enough to put Ukraine in a position to mount a credible counterattack. A key indicator to monitor in the coming week is whether these Ukrainian forces dig in or conduct a tactical withdrawal to the west.

One thing is clear–the fighting is brutal. The following video claims to show triumphant Chechen soldiers (they are Muslims) walking unmolested through the ruins of Popasnaya. They have no fear chanting, “God is Great.” I think their claim to have captured the city is credible because they are not being gunned down by snipers. If you look at the burnt-out high rises surrounding them, there are numerous places a stubborn Ukie sniper could hide.

UKRAINE UPDATE: CIA Ineptitude, Russian Cauldrons and the Ukrainian Mafia | The Gateway Pundit | by Larry Johnson

When someone is telling you how important he or she is, it is a pretty good indicator that person is not terribly relevant.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Flying Dagger]

Beauty of democracy is that head of state can't drastically change/alter the policy single handed without conscious across political spectrum, bureaucracy and general population.
In countries like US, UK, India we have a set policy which doesn't change with change in the government. It requires monumental shift in geo-polictical condition to change a set policy.

Head of state may effect the execution of such policy to a certain degree but they can't drastically change/alter the policy.

In autocratic dictatorship policies do change on whim of the dictator.

Today be it Biden or tomorrow be it some other guy US's policies won't change much.
Similarly today be it Modi tomorrow be it some other guy India's policies won't change much.
The same can't be said about Putin and Russia.

One thing that matter most in any relation is predictability and consistency of the other party.
Even if other party has a predictable and consistent negative policy towards you viz a viz you (e.g. Pakistan and now PRC) or selective negative policy towards you viz a viz you (e.g. US, UK) you can make adjustments accordingly but you can't make adjustments for loose cannon like Putin/Russia.

Our politics and policies can be altered changed and interfered in the name of democracy by Western world who control the narrative and influence the general order in our country.

We have pakistan Bangladesh Maldives right at our border.. followed by Kashmir Lakshadweep like territories fully controlled by Islamic world. This is a consequence of the same democracy under pressured by Islamic and western world.

Don't try to paint a rosy picture of democracy... It's not Putin who is harder to deal for India but USA . They send their armed forces against us supply weapon and facilitated nuke tech for pakistan against us. And they they call us their ally who should do what they command.

They are total whackjob to deal with .. today they have Biden tomorrow trump

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Russia fell for " we wuz still superpower " trap ... Unlike Chinese who played the long game .. Economic rise and A better relationship with Europe in course of time wld have ensured a reduced influence of USA on Europe which they wanted .. And wld have provided them with a breathing space .

Couldn't agree with you more.
This war caused/will cause more harm to Russia than any gains it has if any.
If Putin was smart he would have played the long game like PRC but he was more worried about his legacy than Russian interest.

 

[Cheran]

 

[gajapati]

Below is very civil post for the clueless moralfags especially. On side note amreekunt fanboys should be last to lecture on parenting and values.

Understanding murican political spectrum.

Author: RUDRA DEVACHARYA. If we want to analyze the dynamics between ideological groups that determine US foreign policy, let’s begin with a taxonomy based on existing scholarship. A good example would be the ideological classification proposed by Walter Russell Meade. He divides US policy...

defenceforumindia.com

I wanted to discuss ... but no more .. You are on a edge with high level of emotions .. You need meditation to put forward proper civil comments .. I know having a anonymous profile in internet provides temptations to be abusive which is not possible in real life .. I used to do it during school days .

 

[ww2historian]

I should of been using the word “cauldron" instead of encirclement. This is a great article...
‘Cauldron’ is a cool military term for encirclement. Why call surrounded troops a “cauldron”? We have the Germans to thank for this term. “Kessel” is the German word for “cauldron” and that term was used by German generals to describe the result of surrounding opposing military forces. Russian military doctrine uses the word “cauldron” to describe a very large, strategic-level concentration of trapped enemy forces. This differs from the terms used to describe the encirclement of an operational unit (such as an isolated battalion) or a tactical unit (a company-sized element). The Russians refer to those as Sack (i.e. meshok) and Nest (gnezdo) respectively.

Russian sources are reporting (and Ukrainian sources are not denying) that a major breakthrough came today in Popasnaya, with the Ukrainian Armed forces withdrawing to the west toward Kramatorsk. The city of Lisichansk is co-located with the city of Sieverodonetsk. There is a large Ukrainian army force dug in around Sieverodonetsk and they now face an increased risk of being cooked in a Russian cauldron when the troops that captured Popasnaya link up with Russian forces moving south from LYMAN (it is north of Kramatorsk).

This map provides a better overview of the location of the Ukrainian army (circled in yellow) and the movement of the Russian forces (red, what else?): The Ukrainian units are not completely cut off. Some supplies have gotten thru but not enough to put Ukraine in a position to mount a credible counterattack. A key indicator to monitor in the coming week is whether these Ukrainian forces dig in or conduct a tactical withdrawal to the west.

One thing is clear–the fighting is brutal. The following video claims to show triumphant Chechen soldiers (they are Muslims) walking unmolested through the ruins of Popasnaya. They have no fear chanting, “God is Great.” I think their claim to have captured the city is credible because they are not being gunned down by snipers. If you look at the burnt-out high rises surrounding them, there are numerous places a stubborn Ukie sniper could hide.

UKRAINE UPDATE: CIA Ineptitude, Russian Cauldrons and the Ukrainian Mafia | The Gateway Pundit | by Larry Johnson

When someone is telling you how important he or she is, it is a pretty good indicator that person is not terribly relevant.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Jacques Baud correctly use the word cauldrons. I misunderstood this word as encircled.
The Situation as of March 25, 2022. [“Poussée principale”= main thrust;
“poussée secondaire”= secondary thrust]. The bone-shaped, blue area marks the location of the mass of the Ukrainian army (in reality, this “massed” Ukrainian army is split into several smaller cauldrons) Thus, military logic would have the forces caught in the Kramatorsk cauldron withdraw to a line at the Dnieper, for example, in order to regroup and conduct a counteroffensive. But they were forbidden to withdraw by President Zelensky.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Typical vermin coomer amreekunts.

Atleast pretend to have Indian interest at your heart. Don't let your hate for US blind you from Indian interest.
Muammar Gaddafi was pro-Pakistan and in many ways anti-India. He was never regarded as friend of India.
Muammar Gaddafi was one of the principle financial supporters of Pakistani nuclear project.

 

[Master Chief]

Here is why you cannot induct whole new systems like M777, especially artillery which sees extensive usage and stress in the middle of the war.. M777 is Maintenance heavy.. and without forward based spare depots, and a 1000 mile long supply lines, these M777 systems will see sub optimal usage.. The US is wasting precious resources.

Scott Ritter, is very pro-Russia.. but he makes valid points here..

 

[Master Chief]

Typical vermin coomer amreekunts.

There are civil wars in many African countries.. There is no way a mammoth continent like Africa, which is almost twice as big as Russia, with so much physical barriers between its various regions can become one country...

 

[JBH22]

There are civil wars in many African countries.. There is no way a mammoth continent like Africa, which is almost twice as big as Russia, with so much physical barriers between its various regions can become one country...

Add to that the religious, ethnic, linguistic divide. Most tribes have been killing each other for centuries. It is a laudable idea, but how will xtian and Muslim Africa Co exist without killing each other.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Atleast pretend to have Indian interest at your heart. Don't let your hate for US blind you from Indian interest.
Muammar Gaddafi was pro-Pakistan and in many ways anti-India. He was never regarded as friend of India.
Muammar Gaddafi was one of the principle financial supporters of Pakistani nuclear project.

If the law of responsibility was not any amreekunt hypocritical tool to protect their favourites and make examples of those who did not quite submit clearly then the rapist subhuman porkystani niazi should have been hung drawn and quartered.

Most of surrendered porkystani army of 90 odd thousand should have been executed by impalement as well.

Did not know you were this noob buddy.

The only fact that I pointed in my earlier post is that the treatment difference given to that gaddafi and the treatment that niazi got.

Due to pinochet and henrykiscancker.

Thats how the amreekunt protects the scum scoundrel heads as long as that is in the amreekunts vermin interest.

These are the things which neither you nor @gajapati understand.

 

[Master Chief]

I should of been using the word “cauldron" instead of encirclement. This is a great article...
‘Cauldron’ is a cool military term for encirclement. Why call surrounded troops a “cauldron”? We have the Germans to thank for this term. “Kessel” is the German word for “cauldron” and that term was used by German generals to describe the result of surrounding opposing military forces. Russian military doctrine uses the word “cauldron” to describe a very large, strategic-level concentration of trapped enemy forces. This differs from the terms used to describe the encirclement of an operational unit (such as an isolated battalion) or a tactical unit (a company-sized element). The Russians refer to those as Sack (i.e. meshok) and Nest (gnezdo) respectively.

Russian sources are reporting (and Ukrainian sources are not denying) that a major breakthrough came today in Popasnaya, with the Ukrainian Armed forces withdrawing to the west toward Kramatorsk. The city of Lisichansk is co-located with the city of Sieverodonetsk. There is a large Ukrainian army force dug in around Sieverodonetsk and they now face an increased risk of being cooked in a Russian cauldron when the troops that captured Popasnaya link up with Russian forces moving south from LYMAN (it is north of Kramatorsk).

This map provides a better overview of the location of the Ukrainian army (circled in yellow) and the movement of the Russian forces (red, what else?): The Ukrainian units are not completely cut off. Some supplies have gotten thru but not enough to put Ukraine in a position to mount a credible counterattack. A key indicator to monitor in the coming week is whether these Ukrainian forces dig in or conduct a tactical withdrawal to the west.

One thing is clear–the fighting is brutal. The following video claims to show triumphant Chechen soldiers (they are Muslims) walking unmolested through the ruins of Popasnaya. They have no fear chanting, “God is Great.” I think their claim to have captured the city is credible because they are not being gunned down by snipers. If you look at the burnt-out high rises surrounding them, there are numerous places a stubborn Ukie sniper could hide.

UKRAINE UPDATE: CIA Ineptitude, Russian Cauldrons and the Ukrainian Mafia | The Gateway Pundit | by Larry Johnson

When someone is telling you how important he or she is, it is a pretty good indicator that person is not terribly relevant.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Ukraine Army has withdrawn from Popasna..

Luhansk head of military administration Sergei Gaidai confirms that UAF has withdrawn from Popasna.. So, Popasna was supposed to be Stalingrad of Donbass, but, that was not supposed to be..

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Our politics and policies can be altered changed and interfered in the name of democracy by Western world who control the narrative and influence the general order in our country.

I would say that is our problem not the problem of democracy. It is job of politicians/government to control the narrative so that it won't be hijacked by foreign parties.
At the end of day will of the people only matters.

We have pakistan Bangladesh Maldives right at our border.. followed by Kashmir Lakshadweep like territories fully controlled by Islamic world. This is a consequence of the same democracy under pressured by Islamic and western world.

We live in a globalized world. Dictator or an autocrat will also be pressured by Islamic and western world.
Take Pakistani's example.

Don't try to paint a rosy picture of democracy... It's not Putin who is harder to deal for India but USA . They send their armed forces against us supply weapon and facilitated nuke tech for pakistan against us. And they they call us their ally who should do what they command.

Democracy may not be perfect but it is way better than autocracy and dictatorship.
The fact remains democracy is is the least worse of the available options.
Dealing with US is much easier and predictable. They just want to make money.
In international geo-politics their is are no permanent friends or foes; their are just permanent interest.
Currently our economic and strategic interest is moving ahead with US and their interest is having India to counter-balance PRC.
Its plain and simple. Its give and take relation.
In 2022 it doesn't matter what they did in 1971.
Coming forward PRC will be the biggest threat to India, anyone not acknowledging this is a fool.
Because of this stupid war we are left completely vulnerable. About 50% of our premier air-assets have/will have serviceability issues.
Looking at pictures from Ukraine our troops are having low morale issue. Our soldiers have lost total confidence in Russian equipment seeing how easily Russian vehicles and equipment are being decimated in battlefield.

They are total whackjob to deal with .. today they have Biden tomorrow trump

Yet, their foreign policy is predictable and consistent unlike Putin who starts wars at his whimsical behavior.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

For your information @Dark Sorrow everybody knows this.

Not me but you spam this thread with Hinduphobic cnn to badmouth Bharat.
Not me but you spam this thread with fake amnesty trash to badmouth Bharat.
Not me but you spam thread with human rights press index trash to badmouth Bharat.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Add to that the religious, ethnic, linguistic divide. Most tribes have been killing each other for centuries. It is a laudable idea, but how will xtian and Muslim Africa Co exist without killing each other.

If you observe their is an elitist mindset in north African countries when dealing with central African countries almost to a point of contempt.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

That's not the point. The point is, the Russians didn't really have another option left, realistically speaking. They simply couldn't have taken the chance of NATO extending its tentacles right up to its borders. One thing is certain though and we won't need years to find it out - Ukraine is toast.

Ukraine was never going to be let in NATO.
US has more use for Ukraine outside NATO. It guarantees Russian misadventure in Ukraine bogging down Russia.

 

[Love Charger]

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The first pic is probably from a CWC meeting
They used masnad till 2000s , I mean Congress big fellas used to recline on masnad while discussing politics , now I have heard Tey have shifted to table and chairs

 

[Two Minutes To Midnight]

Atleast pretend to have Indian interest at your heart. Don't let your hate for US blind you from Indian interest.
Muammar Gaddafi was pro-Pakistan and in many ways anti-India. He was never regarded as friend of India.
Muammar Gaddafi was one of the principle financial supporters of Pakistani nuclear project.

Ha, is that so? Because, as far as I know, it was The Great Satan which provided Pakistani nuclear scientists with technical training from the 1950s into the 1970s.

And it turned a blind eye to the nuclear weapons program in the 1980s, because Pakistan was providing the crucial link in the CIA's effort to smuggle billions of dollars of weapons to Afghan Mujahideen fighting against the Soviet.

We have helped create the conditions that exist today for the big bomb," said Milt Bearden, who was a senior CIA officer in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989.

Pakistan's efforts to build the bomb began in the 1950s. Under the "Atoms for Peace" program, the United States agreed to train Pakistani scientists in nuclear-reactor technology. Washington also provided Pakistan's first research reactor and fuel. The training continued until 1972.

In 1985, Congress enacted a law requiring the president to certify that Pakistan was not building nuclear weapons and thus eligible for continuing military and economic aid. And every year from 1985 to 1990, Presidents Reagan and Bush certified just that.

"Reagan and Bush said it ain't a bomb until they turn that last screw and paint B-O-M-B on the side," Bearden said.

And yet you want us to lick America's feet because they funded Pakistan's nuclear project, but Gaddafi is bad because......he did the same?

What help was more instrumental for Pakistan? American or Libyan?

Coming to Libya itself, how did the 2011 invasion benefit anyone? The Great Satan illegally invades the country, kills civilians indiscriminately, in the process creating more Islamic radicals, starts a refugee wave, allows ISIS to take over, seizes Gaddaffi's weapons and transfers it to ISIS in Syria, steals all of Libya's oil, gold and foreign reserves and starts a civil war with Islamic radicals taking over each day.

Any of that helps us?

 

[mokoman]

Here is why you cannot induct whole new systems like M777, especially artillery which sees extensive usage and stress in the middle of the war.. M777 is Maintenance heavy.. and without forward based spare depots, and a 1000 mile long supply lines, these M777 systems will see sub optimal usage.. The US is wasting precious resources.

Scott Ritter, is very pro-Russia.. but he makes valid points here..

Scott Ritter blasts the M777 for being a maintenance heavy piece of shit that wears itself out after 4 days of combat

so like , did they make it out of cardboard ?

hard to believe since we brough 150+ of these . i doubt we will buy something that will wear down in just 4 days .

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Ha, is that so? Because, as far as I know, it was The Great Satan which provided Pakistani nuclear scientists with technical training from the 1950s into the 1970s.

And it turned a blind eye to the nuclear weapons program in the 1980s, because Pakistan was providing the crucial link in the CIA's effort to smuggle billions of dollars of weapons to Afghan Mujahideen fighting against the Soviet.

We have helped create the conditions that exist today for the big bomb," said Milt Bearden, who was a senior CIA officer in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989.

Pakistan's efforts to build the bomb began in the 1950s. Under the "Atoms for Peace" program, the United States agreed to train Pakistani scientists in nuclear-reactor technology. Washington also provided Pakistan's first research reactor and fuel. The training continued until 1972.

In 1985, Congress enacted a law requiring the president to certify that Pakistan was not building nuclear weapons and thus eligible for continuing military and economic aid. And every year from 1985 to 1990, Presidents Reagan and Bush certified just that.

"Reagan and Bush said it ain't a bomb until they turn that last screw and paint B-O-M-B on the side," Bearden said.

And yet you want us to lick America's feet because they funded Pakistan's nuclear project, but Gaddafi is bad because......he did the same?

What help was more instrumental for Pakistan? American or Libyan?

Coming to Libya itself, how did the 2014 invasion benefit anyone? The Great Satan illegally invades the country, kills civilians indiscriminately, in the process creating more Islamic radicals, starts a refugee wave, allows ISIS to take over, seizes Gaddaffi's weapons and transfers it to ISIS in Syria, steals all of Libya's oil, gold and foreign reserves and starts a civil war with Islamic radicals taking over each day.

Any of that helps us?

Futile to discuss with stupid. Just look at the difference of treatment amreekunt given to gaddafi.
Compare that with niazi rapist.