RSS role in bombing samjhota express. mecca masjid

[Oracle]

Ban RSS, Abhinav Bharat, demands NCP

The Nationalist Congress Party on Monday demanded ban on Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangha and right wing group Abhinav Bharat for their alleged involvement in terrorist activities in the country.

NCP General Secretary Tariq Anwar met Home Minister P Chidambaram in New Delhi to make the demand. He also demanded that Muslims arrested in connection with the Malegaon blast case should be released immediately.

"They (Muslims) should be released immediately as there is ample proof of Hindu radicals carrying out the Malegaon blasts," Anwar told mediapersons after meeting the Home Minister.

He also asked Chidambaram to constitute a task force headed by either a sitting Supreme Court or high court judge to have a re-look into all the bomb blasts that took place since 1994 and conduct a fair inquiry.

Source

 

[JBH22]

He also asked Chidambaram to constitute a task force headed by either a sitting Supreme Court or high court judge to have a re-look into all the bomb blasts that took place since 1994 and conduct a fair inquiry.

Interesting time line profiling,

1-Rahul warn USA about Hindu terror
2-2G scam,inflation etc
3-Campaign against RSS gearing up
4-Now question the reliability of all bombing cases since 1994?

 

[pmaitra]

One has to agree that there have been too many cases of religious violence, against virtually all communities and religions in India.

However, we do have a machinery in place to tackle that. There is the police, paramilitary, administration and the courts to punish any troublemaker regardless of who he or she is. These machineries do not work properly because of our politicians.

It is not the job of RSS to take up that responsibility. I do not know how RSS has contributed to the development of this country but I do know that given an opportunity, they have the potential of becoming another Taliban like entity. Their involvement in the Samjhauta Express is beyond doubt and should not be treated any differently from the other anti-national forces like SIMI, HUJI and IM.

 

[SHASH2K2]

One has to agree that there have been too many cases of religious violence, against virtually all communities and religions in India.

However, we do have a machinery in place to tackle that. There is the police, paramilitary, administration and the courts to punish any troublemaker regardless of who he or she is. These machineries do not work properly because of our politicians.

It is not the job of RSS to take up that responsibility. I do not know how RSS has contributed to the development of this country but I do know that given an opportunity, they have the potential of becoming another Taliban like entity. Their involvement in the Samjhauta Express is beyond doubt and should not be treated any differently from the other anti-national forces like SIMI, HUJI and IM.

You dont know what RSS has contributed to the country but you know that RSS has potential of becoming a Taliban kind of organization. You have potential of becoming a real life oracle (sootsayer) .when you have blue color asociated with your name you shouldnt be making comment which are baseless . Or may be its your communist leanings thats making those comments. Till now how many RSS top leaders were involved in any of bomb blasts or which top leader of RSS made any comment which support terrorism.

 

[S.A.T.A]

This eerily similar to the late 80's,rajiv Gandhi's govt coming under increasing opposition attack over the HDW and Fairfax scandal and the nation already beginning to a get a whiff of possible sandal involving purchase of some army howitzers(later to become the full blow bofors scandal),Congress govt played the ultimate communal card in the Shah bano case and blatantly subverted the constitution to pander to minority appeasement,the rest as they is history.

I think BJP would secretly be reveling this increasing focus on what is seen as Congress led regimes attack on Hindutva organization through a media orchestrated mudslinging,all this after coming under increasing opposition attack over its role in a series of mass corruption scandals.

 

[pmaitra]

You dont know what RSS has contributed to the country but you know that RSS has potential of becoming a Taliban kind of organization. when you have blue color asociated with your name you shouldnt be making comment which are baseless . Or may be its your communist leanings thats making those comments. Till now how many RSS top leaders were involved in any of bomb blasts or which top leader of RSS made any comment which support terrorism.

I do know that Mahatma Gandhi was assasinated by a Hindu Fundamentalist with link with RSS.

Other than that, it does not matter if not all the top leaders of, say, SIMI were involved in terrorist acts. The entire organisation will still be considered a terrorist organisation. In a secular country, you cannot have double standards.

our reports do confirm that, as a result of the activities of these two bodies, particularly the former (the RSS), an atmosphere was created in the country in which such a ghastly tragedy (Gandhiji's assassination) became possible. There is no doubt in my mind that the extreme section of the Hindu Mahasabha was involved in this conspiracy. The activities of the RSS constituted a clear threat to the existence of government and the state. Our reports show that those activities, despite the ban, have not died down. Indeed, as time has marched on, the RSS circles are becoming more defiant and are indulging in their subversive activities in an increasing measure
– Sardar Patel, to Shyama Prasad Mookerjee, member of Hindu Mahasabha in a letter dated 18 JUly 1948.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi

If you want to list the contributions of RSS, please feel free to do so. I would be glad to see them.

 

[S.A.T.A]

Apparently more Indians readily mourn a load of dead Pakistanis in Samjhautha Express than the ones on Sabarmati express.We are a unique people.

 

[NSG_Blackcats]

Swami Aseemanand wrote the letters to president of India and Pakistan two days after he recorded his confession. He had given the letters to his brother to post, Tehelka got the letters from him(no other mainstream news agencies published the letters just as they didn't publish Radia tapes).

I am not aware about those letters. Have any of the forensic labs in India proved that the letter was written by Swami Aseemanand ? If yes, than he can be prosecuted. If not then, It does not matter who published what.

So far there is no indication that he will be going rogue or was forced to record his confession, mind you he was a powerful guy knowing who's who of BJP and RSS.

If we go by your logic Suresh Kalmadi also very close to many Congress Leaders. Does that mean our PM is also corrupt?

 

[S.A.T.A]

@maitra
would you recommend a ban on the Congress party too,one of its ex minister from Gujarat was convicted for the 1993 Surat bombing.

 

[pmaitra]

@maitra
would you recommend a ban on the Congress party too,one of its ex minister from Gujarat was convicted for the 1993 Surat bombing.

I would not equate a party (Congress) with an organisation (RSS). I am not recommending a ban on BJP, neither am I recommending a ban on Congress. However, as you had said earlier (first point), Congress is indeed guilty of:

• Minority apeasement on several counts.
• Encouraging (some leaders even participated) in genocide.
• Corruption on way too many counts.

Not all Congress leaders can be blamed for this, but Congress in its entirety can be blamed. However, banning a party is going too far.

If I may add:
Congress has been in power for a very long time, more than any other party. Thus, they can be blamed for most of the corruption cases, but they must also be credited for most of the development that India has seen. Starting with the hydro-electric power stations and dams, 5-year plans till the economic liberalisation, Congress does have significant contributions towards this country. I see absolutely no reason to place Congress and RSS on the same pedestal. We are not comparing apples to apples here.

 

[SHASH2K2]

I do know that Mahatma Gandhi was assasinated by a Hindu Fundamentalist with link with RSS.

Other than that, it does not matter if not all the top leaders of, say, SIMI were involved in terrorist acts. The entire organisation will still be considered a terrorist organisation. In a secular country, you cannot have double standards.

I do know that many TMC workers were killed by CPM workers in a particular district of WB . does that means all communistas are killers and murderers and ban CPI and CPM . after all life is life be it taken by red terrorists , green or saffron ones.
when you compare RSS with SIMI it shows your real definition of sikularim . SIMI was involved in top to bottom in anti national activity . even its top brass was in bed with ISI and its associates. Even after having so much of control over its pet Agency Congress bureau of Investigation how many of RSS top leadership are involved in it ? Pretending to be secular and being a secular are completely diffrent thing .

 

[Flint]

Apparently more Indians readily mourn a load of dead Pakistanis in Samjhautha Express than the ones on Sabarmati express.We are a unique people.

You probably know that alleged Sabarmati Express killings were allegedly 'avenged', don't you?

Frankly, if the police forces, investigative agencies and justice system were not a joke and actually somewhat credible, one would have some pillar to stand on. As of now, everybody believes whoever they want to, depending on what side they are on.

 

[NSG_Blackcats]

Ban RSS, Abhinav Bharat, demands NCP

The Nationalist Congress Party on Monday demanded ban on Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangha and right wing group Abhinav Bharat for their alleged involvement in terrorist activities in the country.

NCP General Secretary Tariq Anwar met Home Minister P Chidambaram in New Delhi to make the demand. He also demanded that Muslims arrested in connection with the Malegaon blast case should be released immediately.

"They (Muslims) should be released immediately as there is ample proof of Hindu radicals carrying out the Malegaon blasts," Anwar told mediapersons after meeting the Home Minister.

He also asked Chidambaram to constitute a task force headed by either a sitting Supreme Court or high court judge to have a re-look into all the bomb blasts that took place since 1994 and conduct a fair inquiry.

Source

NCP is a part of both Maharsatra and Central govt. So they are demanding to put a BAN on RSS from whom? Why don't Mr. Tariq Anwar's Party move a bill in Maharastra assembly regarding this. Does not have the guts or what?

Have we forgot the famous remark of the present Home Minister of Maharastra? who is from NCP(Bade bade sahron main chote chote hadse ho jate hain- These small things happens in big cities.)
NCP is shameless that they have reinducted him.

 

[S.A.T.A]

Allegations flint ?,aren't all of them that.A dead Hindu is just a statistics isn't it,what category can we bucket him too,a dead Karsevak perhaps ,dead VHP for sure,things that somehow might mitigate to an extent the need to mourn the Sabarmati express victims unconditionally.

 

[S.A.T.A]

@maitra

You might not perceive a difference that's left to your prejudice but i dont.Would we also castigate the Indian army and its Intelligence division,because Lt Col Purohit has allegations against for the same.No organization can take responsibility for the acts of any individual unless it explicitly motivates and encourages them to act so.So lets not jump to judgments laced with our prejudices.

P.S:BJP would certainly welcome the ban of RSS and Congress,for then the country would be theirs to inherit : )

 

[Flint]

Allegations flint ?,aren't all of them that.A dead Hindu is just a statistics isn't it,what category can we bucket him too,a dead Karsevak perhaps ,dead VHP for sure,things that somehow might mitigate to an extent the need to mourn the Sabarmati express victims unconditionally.

No mourning for dead Muslims in your heart, SATA? : ) Two can play this game you know.

 

[NSG_Blackcats]

I do not know how RSS has contributed to the development of this country but I do know that given an opportunity, they have the potential of becoming another Taliban like entity.

You need to first educate yourself about RSS. You can use google for your help.You are not aware about their contribution. But you do not hesitate to compare RSS with Taliban/HUJI/LET..etc. You just did a Rahul Gandhi by comparing RSS to Taliban. Kudos fot that.

Their involvement in the Samjhauta Express is beyond doubt and should not be treated any differently from the other anti-national forces like SIMI, HUJI and IM.

But few months back CBI and other investigating ageny were telling us that other militant organistaions were behind this blast. You are not sure at that time or what? I believe the name of RSS is helping you out here.

 

[pmaitra]

I do know that many TMC workers were killed by CPM workers in a particular district of WB . does that means all communistas are killers and murderers and ban CPI and CPM . after all life is life be it taken by red terrorists , green or saffron ones.
when you compare RSS with SIMI it shows your real definition of sikularim . SIMI was involved in top to bottom in anti national activity . even its top brass was in bed with ISI and its associates. Even after having so much of control over its pet Agency Congress bureau of Investigation how many of RSS top leadership are involved in it ? Pretending to be secular and being a secular are completely diffrent thing .

Yes, both TMC and CPI(M) can be blamed for political murders. I have already stated in an earlier post that CPI(M) armed camps are unconstitutional. All murderers, be they red, saffron or green must be brought to justice. There is a reason why I support a ban on Maoists because they are in their entirety opposed to the Indian State, however, CPI(M) is not.

India at the moment is faced with two threats. One is the green threat (Jihadis) and the other is the red threat (Maoists). However, to counter that, we have to use the state and the law, not the Saffron Brigade.

While one may have affinity towards RSS, Congress, Liberal Communists or Communist Radicals (Maoists), we should simply look at the history of India and Pakistan. India chose to be a secular democracy while Pakistan chose to be an Islamic Republic. Despite its ills India is doing quite well and Pakistan is in a complete mess. We do not want to be in that scenario.

P.S.: The definitions are often obscure. The NAZIs were both nationalist as well as socialist, but were racist to the core and authoritarian. USSR was communist and socialist as well, but made the biggest mistake of stifling freedom of speech and not allowing an opposition party, and similarly authoritarian. Iraq under Saddam Hussain was capitalist (the opposite of communist) and authoritarian. India's strength lies in its democracy. Imagine India ruled by RSS or it's affiliates instead of Congress since 1947, we too could have gone the Pakistan way. All authoritarian regimes have crumbled. One idea, one ideology, one thinking systems can never work because they simply shut down a different and/or opposite viewpoint. I gather you have a better understanding about RSS than I do. Please do read some of their literatures and I will leave it upto your discretion to form an opinion about them.

 

[S.A.T.A]

No mourning for dead Pakistanis flint !

 

[pmaitra]

@maitra

You might not perceive a difference that's left to your prejudice but i dont.Would we also castigate the Indian army and its Intelligence division,because Lt Col Purohit has allegations against for the same.No organization can take responsibility for the acts of any individual unless it explicitly motivates and encourages them to act so.So lets not jump to judgments laced with our prejudices.

We all have our prejudices and we all like to defend what we like and are often blind to their misdoings. I make a sincere effort not to be blind supporter of any organisation but I know I am not perfect.

P.S:BJP would certainly welcome the ban of RSS and Congress,for then the country would be theirs to inherit : )

I do not think BJP will welcome a ban on RSS.