RFP issued for India navy amphibious vessels (LHD or LPD type)

[Abhijeet Dey]

No no ...F 35 is a Master Piece if we launched from an Carrier or an LHD ( It's hard to handle F 35 IN LHD ) and F 35 Avail for FMS after 2017

but AMCA is avail after 2030 and It's not a VTOL aircraft

AMCA is still on drawing board so our engineers do have time to design & modify them into VTOL aircraft (just like F-35). The Navy has VTOL fighters from UK i.e. Harriers so why can't we study them? However the final decision will taken by the Indian Navy.

Do you think the government will allow the navy to buy an expensive stealth fighter jet such as F-35 when people in India are talking of indigenous development?

 

[SajeevJino]

AMCA is still on drawing board so our engineers do have time to design & modify them into VTOL aircraft (just like F-35). The Navy has VTOL fighters from UK i.e. Harriers so why can't we study them? However the final decision will taken by the Indian Navy.

Do you think the government will allow the navy to buy an expensive stealth fighter jet such as F-35 when people in India are talking of indigenous development?

Making VTOL is not a easy game ... We have harriers so we can produce VTOL jets :fkidding: me ..we once Operated Mig 25 does that means we will Build Fighters like that


Again the F 35 VTOL is a master piece and worth of money in 2017 .. You should check up Rafale deal why indigenous Sucks

 

[Immanuel]

Actually at current production prices the F-35 is cheaper than the Rafale, EF. Also, AMCA is still very much on the drawing board and IN has long been on the look out for the F-35B, primarily because the IN loves the concept of STOVL aircraft and loves the flexibility that come with such an asset. IA and IN would love to eventually operate the F-35. If anything should be scrapped its tha Rafale deal, we are better off buying more Super MKI (around 100 more) and order another 300 LCA MK-2.

If MRCA should be imported than the SH International and F-35 are far better and cheaper options.

 

[SajeevJino]

Actually at current production prices the F-35 is cheaper than the Rafale, EF. Also, AMCA is still very much on the drawing board and IN has long been on the look out for the F-35B, primarily because the IN loves the concept of STOVL aircraft and loves the flexibility that come with such an asset. IA and IN would love to eventually operate the F-35. If anything should be scrapped its tha Rafale deal, we are better off buying more Super MKI (around 100 more) and order another 300 LCA MK-2.

If MRCA should be imported than the SH International and F-35 are far better and cheaper options.

I will not agree more Russian Aircrafts in our Inventory after reading the Combat History

..for IAC 1 we should buy atleast 10 F 35

 

[DivineHeretic]

Actually at current production prices the F-35 is cheaper than the Rafale, EF. Also, AMCA is still very much on the drawing board and IN has long been on the look out for the F-35B, primarily because the IN loves the concept of STOVL aircraft and loves the flexibility that come with such an asset. IA and IN would love to eventually operate the F-35. If anything should be scrapped its tha Rafale deal, we are better off buying more Super MKI (around 100 more) and order another 300 LCA MK-2.

If MRCA should be imported than the SH International and F-35 are far better and cheaper options.

Not really, The F35 is reported to be costing around $175 million per piece as of the moment. The expectation is that once the production stabilizes, the costs will drop to around $100 million per piece, but that seems like a fantasy as of the moment..

@SajeevJino, The peak production rate for the F35 is to be around 200 AC per year. With an order book stretching to over 2400 fighters, we are about 12 years away from getting our hands on the Lightning-II, if the production rate of 200 p.a.is met tomorrow.

 

[SajeevJino]

@DivineHeretic

Here is the order details of F 35 till now

the foreign orders are > 1000 F 35 variants ..if they produced 200 per year from 2014 five years only so 2020 is a Cahnce of Free Production line for foreign Customers

Somewhere I heard the US F 35 is largely varies from other F 35 and Produced in separate Production line

and One more How you get the 200 PA number ..any Sources

 

[DivineHeretic]

@DivineHeretic

Here is the order details of F 35 till now

the foreign orders are > 1000 F 35 variants ..if they produced 200 per year from 2014 five years only so 2020 is a Cahnce of Free Production line for foreign Customers

Somewhere I heard the US F 35 is largely varies from other F 35 and Produced in separate Production line

and One more How you get the 200 PA number ..any Sources

Here you go, straight from the Horse's mouth

"We're going to almost 200 airplanes a year," said Steve O'Bryan, Lockheed's vice president of program development and business integration for the F-35 program.

Lockheed Martin could add 2,400 jobs in six years | Business | Dallas Business, Texas Bu...

But then, also found this......

The Pentagon's current five-year plan calls for increasing F-35 production to 42 jets in fiscal 2015, which begins Oct. 1, 2014, from 29 this year and in fiscal 2013. The rate would increase to 62 in 2016, 76 in 2017 and 100 in 2018, according to internal Pentagon budget documents. The new plan will be released next year with the Pentagon's fiscal 2015 budget plan.

So the 200 AC a year will probably be achieved only in 2019-20. But then we do know that Canada, Norway, Italy & Netherlands are reconsidering/delaying their buys. In fact, we can assume that they would be willing to let us have some of the ACs before themselves if they could,

 

[SajeevJino]

Here you go, straight from the Horse's mouth

"We're going to almost 200 airplanes a year," said Steve O'Bryan, Lockheed's vice president of program development and business integration for the F-35 program.

Lockheed Martin could add 2,400 jobs in six years | Business | Dallas Business, Texas Bu...

But then, also found this......

The Pentagon's current five-year plan calls for increasing F-35 production to 42 jets in fiscal 2015, which begins Oct. 1, 2014, from 29 this year and in fiscal 2013. The rate would increase to 62 in 2016, 76 in 2017 and 100 in 2018, according to internal Pentagon budget documents. The new plan will be released next year with the Pentagon's fiscal 2015 budget plan.

So the 200 AC a year will probably be achieved only in 2019-20. But then we do know that Canada, Norway, Italy & Netherlands are reconsidering/delaying their buys. In fact, we can assume that they would be willing to let us have some of the ACs before themselves if they could,

If so these Countries are far away to acquire 5th gen Fighter .and I think this is also the reason of IAF goes to Rafales instead of F 35 varients

these countries are get one or more Squad before 2020 may the full induction ends at 2025 or more

and thanks for the Corrections

 

[lookieloo]

Nah, I would rather see the Juan Carlos, tis large and can carry fighters which gives the IN the flexibility to operate the F-35B in the future if needed. The F-35 will be a contender to go on board the INS Vishal.

While I am excited about the F-35B's potential to extend full-on TACAIR to a larger pool of naval assets, it doesn't really fit into the IN's planned force-structure and would be little more than a costly sideshow in this particular case. Seeing as STOVL operations don't figure into Indian requirements, there's no need to spend extra money on that capability. Mistral remains your best option because it fulfills the basic amphib role with far-lower costs than its competitors.

 

[Immanuel]

IMO IN will end up buying the F-35 quite simply because the INS VIshal when it comes will need 5th capabilities. IN loves its Harriers and would love to continue having such operational flexibility. IN is investing heavily on Naval Infantry for Amphi ops and F-35 would be an ideal CAS aircraft for such ops. Also DAS does provide some serious long range detection capabilties, especially for Nasr, Babur, DF21 ASBM and other missiles...Long range detection & geolocation would make it easy for IAF, IN and IA to counter strike effectively.

 

[lookieloo]

IMO IN will end up buying the F-35 quite simply because the INS VIshal when it comes will need 5th capabilities...

If you're referring to F-35C, then maybe (if the ship is CATOBAR); but that's not really the topic at hand. F-35B capability remains an unnecessary expense for the IN's amphibious component.

 

[ladder]

India To Construct 4 LPDs

bids were sent to domestic shipyards, Larsen & Toubro (L&T), Pipavav Defence and Offshore Engineering, and ABG Shipyard.

State-owned Hindustan Shipyard Ltd. (HSL) then will build two LPDs based on that design and the winning company will build two.

To build the LPDs in India, Larsen & Toubro has tied up with Navantia of Spain, while Pipavav Defence has teamed with France's DCNS and ABG Shipyard has partnered with Alion of the US.

Details:

India To Construct 4 LPDs | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[rohit b3]

Details:

India To Construct 4 LPDs | Defense News | defensenews.com

Goin more domestic?? Wow..this post just made my morning!! :thumb:

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Details:

India To Construct 4 LPDs | Defense News | defensenews.com

Great news

 

[ninja85]

Nah, I would rather see the Juan Carlos, tis large and can carry fighters which gives the IN the flexibility to operate the F-35B in the future if needed. The F-35 will be a contender to go on board the INS Vishal.

juan carlos idea is good , not f-35.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

India To Construct 4 LPDs | Defense News | defensenews.com

To build the LPDs in India, Larsen & Toubro has tied up with Navantia of Spain, while Pipavav Defence has teamed with France's DCNS and ABG Shipyard has partnered with Alion of the US.

1. Navantia Juan Carlos I Class (Spain) - Larsen & Toubro

2. DCNS Mistral LHD (France) - Pipavav Defence and Offshore Engineering

3. Alion Science and Technology Corporation/Raytheon San Antonio class LPD (USA) - ABG Shipyard

 

[p2prada]

We don't need F-35s for our amphibious ships, we want helicopters on them. We want fighters on carriers.

So, think of situations where the F-35 is not needed.

 

[Iceman2012]

I think that we should go for the Dokdo class as they will be the cost effective and the Koreans are adept at ship building (they build the biggest ships, the most number and build em quick - albeit these are all commercial ships). They will also be more forth coming with technology transfer and a private ship card can maybe do em quickly as all government shipyards are running at full tilt for the next 6-7 years (maybe more). Thus we strengthen geopolitical alliances in Korea further

 

[p2prada]

So, total plans are for 8 LHDs. A pretty decent fleet.

 

[arnabmit]

Where did you see 8? :shocked:

So, total plans are for 8 LHDs. A pretty decent fleet.