PRALAY: India’s New Under Development Conventional Strike Surface-to-Surface Missile

[Kuldeepm952]

Experts - Can this be used to neutralize the PLA S400 and its copies?

If location of radar is known, then it can use its mmw seeker based variant missile to locate them at terminal stage and take them out. Only obstacle for pralay will be if the enemy interceptors would be able to intercept it or not, which depend upon the ability of s400 and hq9.

 

[Blank]

So, what about the others? - Prahaar, Pragati, Pranash ?

 

[Lonewolf]

Problem is that how would the dispensed submunitions be oriented after dispensing at a particular height. How would they network with each other, search for targets and prioritise them. How do you propose to achieve the above objectives? Only similiar system was US LOCAAS and assault breaker.
Then again those systems were based on light missiles, less than 2 tons. While pralay is huge, 5ton missile, so maybe not really the right platform for such mission.

Mother missile can have seeker which creates a image of the surrounding , and assign each sub munitions a target to home at with a small propellent in it so that it course correct

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Mother missile can have seeker which creates a image of the surrounding , and assign each sub munitions a target to home at with a small propellent in it so that it course correct

This is one of the possible solutions. I would rather like the submunitions be dispensed and retarded through parachute mechanism like ALARM missile and use their individual seekers iir to create a comprehensive pic of the larger area and networked to assign targets, then engage with their rocket motor propulsion. Another level idea is like LOCAAS, each mlpgm should have a micro turbojet which will effectively make them micro cruise missile which can loiter and scan a very large battle area and then do all above tasks, they can even be made to transmit imagery through data links to commanders with one mlpgm for said dedicated role.
I mean applications are far wide and would require significant resources to develop said capability. Though there haven't been any indication or source that such a system has ever been intended to field.

 

[Lonewolf]

This is one of the possible solutions. I would rather like the submunitions be dispensed and retarded through parachute mechanism like ALARM missile and use their individual seekers iir to create a comprehensive pic of the larger area and networked to assign targets, then engage with their rocket motor propulsion. Another level idea is like LOCAAS, each mlpgm should have a micro turbojet which will effectively make them micro cruise missile which can loiter and scan a very large battle area and then do all above tasks, they can even be made to transmit imagery through data links to commanders with one mlpgm for said dedicated role.
I mean applications are far wide and would require significant resources to develop said capability. Though there haven't been any indication or source that such a system has ever been intended to field.

Would be expensive , and in case of parachute , rapid mount anti air guns will be a hazard , micro turbojet idea is quite good and achievable

 

[FalconZero]

One question, regarding prithvi missiles. Yes, they are old and all but they had similar range and warhead characteristics so why didn't we mass produce them and deployed against China? Were they too expensive or what?

Why Pralay with similar characteristics is big deal then?

>Cost?
>Better CEP (Thanks to use of traditional and latest navigational services) and probably warhead and ability to maneuver and solid propellant

 

[Lonewolf]

One question, regarding prithvi missiles. Yes, they are old and all but they had similar range and warhead characteristics so why didn't we mass produce them and deployed against China? Were they too expensive or what?

Why Pralay with similar characteristics is big deal then?

>Cost?
>Better CEP (Thanks to use of traditional and latest navigational services) and probably warhead and ability to maneuver and solid propellant

Seeker

Better design , cannister launch , multiple can be carried on a single tel

 

[Gessler]

One question, regarding prithvi missiles. Yes, they are old and all but they had similar range and warhead characteristics so why didn't we mass produce them and deployed against China? Were they too expensive or what?

Why Pralay with similar characteristics is big deal then?

>Cost?
>Better CEP (Thanks to use of traditional and latest navigational services) and probably warhead and ability to maneuver and solid propellant

Liquid-fueled missiles like Prithvi can never be mass-deployed. The time & human resources required to prepare them for launch is like preparing a space rocket. What you need as tactical BMs are solid-fuel missiles that can be put inside a canister & forgotten about...drive them around wherever you wish & launch whenever you want at press of a button.

Liquid-fuel also has a very limited shelf life. Once fueled, it can only last a few days to a few weeks in the missile before it starts to corrode & become inoperable. So if you didn't fire, the missiles have to be de-fueled & fueled again. And because it can't last long, you basically have to wait unless hostilities start to begin the process of fueling...what a nice opportunity for enemy to take them out.

In short...Prithvi is useless as a tactical ballistic missile in this day & age. Even by the 90s Gulf War the liquid-fueled SCUDs proved logistically not very effective.

 

[ezsasa]

This is the second successful test of the missile in the last 24 hours as yesterday also it was tested successfully. It is also the first time in the country that a developmental missile has been tested successfully on two consecutive days: Government officials

 

[Chinmoy]

@Chinmoy @Karthi
is defence decode's amit's interpretation of "defeat interceptor missile" correct?


Pralay' quasi ballistic missile developed to defeat interceptor missiles: Sources

Advantage of QBM is that it don't attain height like normal BM. Means it would be too late for you ground based detection system to detect its launch and ready the interception course. So yes, it could defeat interceptor missile.

 

[Chinmoy]

Problem is that how would the dispensed submunitions be oriented after dispensing at a particular height. How would they network with each other, search for targets and prioritise them. How do you propose to achieve the above objectives? Only similiar system was US LOCAAS and assault breaker.
Then again those systems were based on light missiles, less than 2 tons. While pralay is huge, 5ton missile, so maybe not really the right platform for such mission.

This is the sub ammunition @Karthi is talking about. These are basically miniaturised SANT which are self guided and do come with own braking mechanism. They don't need to communicate with each other or launch platform.

 

[IndianHawk]

Anyway with 800kg to 1000kg payload even if it's a single explosive payload a solvo of 4-6 pralay can literally bring pralay to the area it is targeting. Everything could be flattened.

 

[Covfefe]

Anyway with 800kg to 1000kg payload even if it's a single explosive payload a solvo of 4-6 pralay can literally bring pralay to the area it is targeting. Everything could be flattened.

And as per Amiet from Defence Decode, the unit cost for this missile is also significantly less as compared to Brahmos.

 

[Love Charger]

And as per Amiet from Defence Decode, the unit cost for this missile is also significantly less as compared to Brahmos.

Yes brahmos is 25 crore while pralay is 5 crore.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

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This is the sub ammunition @Karthi is talking about. These are basically miniaturised SANT which are self guided and do come with own braking mechanism. They don't need to communicate with each other or launch platform.

Seems suboptimal to me, then mlpgm can only target areas where each can see through its own seeker window effectively each mlpgm having its own sector. If not networked then targets of opportunity will be missed as they won't be able to prioritise between them. If the seeker sectors intersect, it can lead to multiple mlpgm assigned to single target. Also braking mechanism, you are suggesting, there is no source or proof of that, I am not completely sure. And the biggest of reason, mmw seeker can't differentiate between types of targets whether it is a tank or a ballistic missile TEL.
So, I would say that what you are proposing is seriously limiting design and only utility can be to target enemy armoured columns. But then again if Pralay is meant for rocket forces then it won't be in their mission ops, some pralays will have to be under artillery corps for such missions and perhaps a new missile design would be needed given that you don't really need 500km or 350km range to target enemy columns, just 200km would suffice, anyways gettinng ISR on moving enemy targets would be a giant pain.
For purposes to attack enemy radar sites, ballistic missile TELs, other such targets, a missile with mini turbojet which can loiter for 30+ min and weighs similiar to mlpgm at less than 50kgs, and able to cover a much larger search area. Such a system already exists, LOCAAS of US achieved that in 2000s, no reason for us to stick to such a primitive design.
Present mlpgm is just good for armoured columns and not for other missions.
Mission profile would essentially dictate the design.

 

[fire starter]

Seems suboptimal to me, then mlpgm can only target areas where each can see through its own seeker window effectively each mlpgm having its own sector. If not networked then targets of opportunity will be missed as they won't be able to prioritise between them. If the seeker sectors intersect, it can lead to multiple mlpgm assigned to single target. Also braking mechanism, you are suggesting, there is no source or proof of that, I am not completely sure. And the biggest of reason, mmw seeker can't differentiate between types of targets whether it is a tank or a ballistic missile TEL.
So, I would say that what you are proposing is seriously limiting design and only utility can be to target enemy armoured columns. But then again if Pralay is meant for rocket forces then it won't be in their mission ops, some pralays will have to be under artillery corps for such missions and perhaps a new missile design would be needed given that you don't really need 500km or 350km range to target enemy columns, just 200km would suffice, anyways gettinng ISR on moving enemy targets would be a giant pain.
For purposes to attack enemy radar sites, ballistic missile TELs, other such targets, a missile with mini turbojet which can loiter for 30+ min and weighs similiar to mlpgm at less than 50kgs, and able to cover a much larger search area. Such a system already exists, LOCAAS of US achieved that in 2000s, no reason for us to stick to such a primitive design.
Present mlpgm is just good for armoured columns and not for other missions.
Mission profile would essentially dictate the design.

 

[Karthi]

An old slide showing details of MLPGMS , upgraded NAG seeker IIR and MMW , LOCAL, High Speed datalinks. More details in the slide , this slide is from 2014.

Second one is a recent picture of MLPGM 10 Kg warhead. These munitions can also launch from UAVs . Pralay warhead can stake up with this munitions.

 

[India Super Power]

I think they want to deploy it as fast as they can
This must be attitude for all projects

 

[THESIS THORON]

An old slide showing details of MLPGMS , upgraded NAG seeker IIR and MMW , LOCAL, High Speed datalinks. More details in the slide , this slide is from 2014.

Second one is a recent picture of MLPGM 10 Kg warhead. These munitions can also launch from UAVs . Pralay warhead can stake up with this munitions.


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how many like this can be placed in one pralay missile ??

 

[Love Charger]

how many like this can be placed in one pralay missile ??

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