Pakistanism(s) in Pakistani discourse

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From a paki meme group. The video is from a person of another Muslim sect (may be after terror attack or discriminated). Look how conveniently he says "ham Kya Hindu Hain? Yahudi Hain?", implies the view of Jews and Hindus in Pakistan.
 

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They don't know it yet, but they are discussing pakistanism(s), in this case hoodbhoy's pakistanisms.
one of them says pakistan was doing better than India up until ayub khan, which itself is a pakistanism.

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already mentioned about limitations of paki intellectuals in their world view. he says he went to some RSS senior people's house, and saw about 700 books on pakistan including his own books at his host's personal library. and yet uses the phrase "inspite of being from RSS" in the sentence.
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Oh dear, the dumb liberal cunts are experiencing Pakistanism. These lefties tried the approach that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" with the porkis to use them against the American right and realised no we actually had the same enemy all along. Convert or die shit heads, that's always been their thing
 

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The repitition same of pakistanisms over & over with even factually incorrect lies. LoL
Rise of India and implications for Pakistan and the Muslim world

Pakistani strength against India is a must
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The rise of China has forced the West to devise strategies to retain world leadership, or at least be major players in the future. West feels that a democratic, capitalist and economically resurgent India is their natural ally in this struggle against communist China. Therefore, despite its massive human rights violations, the West continues to support India. A strong India not only helps in containment of China but also possible de-nuclearization of Pakistan, the only Muslim nuclear country, through its balkanization. Therefore, the West and its allies are fully supporting India to become an economic and military regional power.
How would a strong India treat its neighbouring region, specially Pakistan, the Middle East and the Central Asian Republics (CARs)? India has the World’s third largest armed forces. The bulk of these are deployed against Pakistan. None of India’s large mechanized forces can be used against China due to the Himalayas. Indian future behaviour can be predicted from its emerging military capabilities and past employment of its armed forces against its neighbours. India militarily invaded Kashmir in October 1947 and since then is in perpetual occupation against multiple UN resolutions. It militarily annexed Junagadh and Hyderabad (Deccan) in November 1947 and September 1948 respectively, followed by Goa in 1961.
Somehow Pakistan doesn't face even a fraction of Indian armed forces.
Through employment of its armed forces it captured erstwhile East Pakistan in 1971 and annexed Sikkim in 1975. It intervened militarily in Sri Lanka from 1987-90 and in the Maldives in 1988. The rise of India and its track record of using military instruments to further its policies does not augur well for the regional countries. When Indians look at the Middle East and the CARs, they see oil-rich, sparsely populated and militarily weak countries. History has many examples where strong countries always found reasons to occupy or dominate economically prosperous, resource-rich but militarily weak neighbours. Indian interests in the region are not hidden. Th3n Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, while addressing senior military officers in 2004, said, “Our strategic footprint covers the region bounded by the Horn of Africa, West Asia (Middle East), CARs, Afghanistan and South Asia, and beyond to the far reaches of the Indian Ocean.”
Pakistan is the only hurdle to these aggressive Indian designs. Pakistan is like a dam, holding back a billion -plus Indians from coercing the /middle East and CARs into subjugation. Therefore, Indian strategic thinkers openly advocate balkanization of Pakistan into weak client states. Pakistan in future, will play the same role in the east for the Muslim world against India as Ottomans played in the west against Europe. See what happened to the Middle East and CARs once the Ottomans became weak and then collapsed. The CARs were occupied by Russia and the Middle East carved into multiple weak client states after World War I. The Western world has trampled and exploited the Middle East’s Muslim countries, at will since the demise of the Ottomans.
what a load of bullshit. This middle East states and China are only hurdles in way of India blowing away Pak.
Nuclear Pakistan with a strong economy is a guarantor of sovereignty of Middle Eastern countries and the CARs. Unfortunately, there are certain people in and outside Pakistan, who in the name of religion (TTP), sub-nationalism or political gains are pursuing the agenda of substantially weakening or balkanization of the country. They are either deliberately or inadvertently advancing the Indian agenda. During World War I, Arabs revolted against Turkey in the name of regional sovereignty (Lawrence of Arabia may be remembered).
Nuclear Pakistan hasn't been able to guarantee its own security till date. It regularly gets its sovereignty raped by air strikes and surgical strikes from US, EU, India and Iran and gets knocked on borders by Afghanistan. Army gets blown in Balochistan on regular basis and militant controlled northwest behaving like a different country.

Pakistani state till date relies on foreign militaries for its own security but yet holds wet dreams of its military securing middle East which anyway treats Pakistan like LDCs of sub Sahara Africa.
India has a very poor track record of dealing with its neighbours. The Indian rise as a powerful state is a fact and its associated implications for the region cannot be overlooked. Though China has also risen as a World power, it has to be understood that China’s strategic heartland is along the Pacific due to the location of the bulk of its population and major industrial areas.
Historically, China has never ventured militarily beyond its geographical boundaries. The Indian heartland, economic interests and long coast line makes it a southern and western Asia-centred country.
Nuclear Pakistan with a strong economy is a guarantor of sovereignty of Middle Eastern countries and the CARs. Unfortunately, there are certain people in and outside Pakistan, who in the name of religion (TTP), sub-nationalism or political gains are pursuing the agenda of substantially weakening or balkanization of the country. They are either deliberately or inadvertently advancing the Indian agenda. During World War I, Arabs revolted against Turkey in the name of regional sovereignty (Lawrence of Arabia may be remembered). Resultantly Muslim rulers (Turks) were replaced by European hegemony and Israeli humiliation was planted in their midst.
If ever the misguided groups working against Pakistan are successful, the whole region would go under Indian hegemony. Anti-Muslim policies of BJP and their quest for revenge from Muslim ‘invaders’ must be kept in mind. The Muslim world and the people of Pakistan must realise that only Pakistan can provide a counterbalance to future Indian designs in the region.
Somebody create a thread on their forum LOL.
 

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Let's see if hoodbhoy will agree to another debate with Abhishek MIshra, another of those limitations of being a paki intellectual. hoodbhoy was unable to grasp what abhishek mishra is explaining to him. Abhishek mishra should avoid physics next time if it happens.
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Pakistan have risen one step in evaluation. After the great military-establishment credibility crisis fomented by legendary RAW Agent Imran Khan, Paki have finally got some realization but they still has their delusion, albeit better one.

87. Pakistan is a failed state tragically. However, Pakistan is not a failed idea.

Pakistan is not a failing state. Tragically, it is a failed state. Indeed, it is a twice failed state. The first state failure was when the Quaid’s Pakistan was unceremoniously buried in 1970. The second has been the ‘penchant’ of the security establishment for toppling democratically elected governments in defiance of the Constitution and decisions of the Supreme Court.

However, Pakistan is not a failed idea. It is rooted in the Muslim experience in India, especially after the British ended Muslim rule.

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Modi’s India: a case of mismatched priorities :rofl:
India needs to concentrate on cooperation instead of competition for the region to prosper


Zahid Ul HassanJuly 02, 2023
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The writer is a retarded Air Commodore from Pakistan Air Force and an expert in matters related to regional and global strategy, and security. He can be reached at [email protected].



The presence of geopolitical challenges and socio-economic fault lines inhibit India’s global power ambitions. Geopolitical challenges include meeting the Western apologists’ assigned role of counterweight to China, perpetual confrontation with two nuclear neighbours having the danger of escalation, state-sponsored terrorism against Pakistan, poorly implemented nuclear security regime, unresolved border disputes with all its neighbours, separatist movements, the resurgence of Khalistan movement, continued illegal occupation of Indian held Jammu and Kashmir, and violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions for the right to self-determination to Kashmiris. Hindutva-driven religious extremism, caste and creed based social fissures, brutalisation of minorities, poverty-related social vulnerabilities and ever-increasing intolerance in society are a few of the socio-economic fault lines.
According to the United Nations Multidimensional Poverty Index (MPI) Report-2022, which measures poverty across three key dimensions of health, education and living standards, and uses 10 indicators (nutrition, child mortality, years of schooling, school attendance, sanitation, cooking fuel, drinking water, electricity, housing and assets), India had the highest number of people amongst all countries of the world who were living under the poverty line. There were 229 million (21.2%) people living in India who were poor and did not have access to these essential requirements while there were 413 million (34.4%) people who did not have access to essential requirements like nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing. During the pandemic, around 75 million people were added to this category. According to World Resources Institute’s estimation, a US based research organisation, India would require 3.2% and 6% of its GDP to provide drinking water and sanitation respectively, for its population by 2030.
Over the years, Indian political and military pundits have been using counterweight to China and two front war mantras to acquire Western military hardware and to justify heavy defence expenditure respectively. India’s unilateral revoking of Articles 370 and 35A in August 2019 not only brought China into the equation but also put the two front scenario in the limelight. However, this environment has been heavily costing the already poverty-stricken people of India. In regards, India increased its annual defence budget from USD 14.75 billion in 2002-03 to USD 76.6 billion in 2021-22 (520% increase with a total of USD 899.33 billion) and became the third highest defence spender in the world after the US and China. During the next few years, India plans to spend USD 130 billion to modernise its existing war machinery and procurement of newer military hardware. However, in reality, India is still far from getting any closer to its ambitions. Rather, the acquisition of diverse origins of military hardware has already created interoperability challenges besides posing serious employment and deployment limitations against nuclear armed neighbours. It may be pertinent to highlight that during this period, India did not encounter a major military conflict at its Western or Eastern borders; rather, Indian misadventures had to face humiliation from Pakistan and China in February 2019 (Operations Swift Retort) and June 2020 (Galwan Valley) respectively.
Superimposition of the Indian poverty profile over its defence spending reveals that there has been a clear case of poor understanding of the geopolitical environment, pursuit of over ambitious objectives, and setting of misplaced priorities on the part of the Indian political and military leadership. Excessive military spending and the prevalence of pockets of abject poverty have turned out to be two intensely intertwined phenomena for India.
A brief comparison of the prevailing economic environment reveals that the Indian desire to project itself as a competitor to China doesn’t hold solid ground. China is a global power and according to World Bank archives, it has foreign exchange reserves of USD 3.205 trillion, nominal GDP of USD 19.37 trillion and GDP per capita of USD 16,297. China is connecting the world (147 countries) and has already spent USD 01 trillion out of over USD 08 trillion Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), leading the world in Artificial Intelligence (AI) and over the last two decades, has pulled over 770 million people out of poverty. China’s annual defence budget is USD 225 billion for 2022-23 and it is indigenously producing the most modern military hardware.
Comparatively, India is a modest economy with USD 589 billion in foreign exchange reserves, nominal GDP of USD 3.74 trillion and a GDP per capita of USD 2,600. India has about 800 million people living under the poverty line, ever dependent upon eastern and western manufacturers for the provision and maintenance of its military hardware. In all the manifestations, there is no comparison between the two countries. The economic and technological differential between both countries is so huge that even if India uses all its worth and works tirelessly for decades, it may not be able to close the gap. Additionally, China is one of the major trade partners of India with a bilateral trade volume of USD 135.98 billion during 2022, overwhelmingly lopsided in favour of China with over USD 102 billion. It appears that because of mounting political pressure from Western apologists vis-a-vis economic interests with China, India has to review its role as a counterweight to China. In this regard, Mr Ashley Tellis, the Tata Chair for Strategic Affairs and a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, recently wrote that India can ill afford continued confrontation with China and “New Delhi won’t side with Washington against Beijing” in case of conflict between them.
Although India projects Pakistan as the other front of its two front mantras however, Pakistan is a peace-loving country and has amply exhibited its capability and resolve to defend itself against Indian aggression. India has not been successful in subduing Pakistan while aspirations of confronting China, may at best be termed as daydreaming. Such a contestation seems more unreal under the fact that as remarked by US Military analyst Donald Brennan of Hudson Institute, New York in 1962, nuclear wars must never be fought because they can never be won, it would only result in Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD).
A dispassionate assessment of the geopolitical environment suggests that one can choose friends but not neighbours, and maintaining confrontation with its neighbours is by no standards a cost benefit affair. It appears that India has been pushed into a disproportionate competition which it is not capable to win. Therefore, India needs to concentrate on cooperation instead of competition for the region to prosper and maintain strategic stability, which would be a win-win situation for all sides.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 2nd, 2023.

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Modi’s India: a case of mismatched priorities :rofl:
India needs to concentrate on cooperation instead of competition for the region to prosper


Zahid Ul HassanJuly 02, 2023
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The ex xarnail written this after having 10 pegs of JWalker from his DHA corner plot bunglow. The entire story in short, "China is bigger than the biggest so, daro humse darooo.... aur kashmir de do." Common sense in arguments is very rare among pakis.
 

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already mentioned about limitations of paki intellectuals in their world view. he says he went to some RSS senior people's house, and saw about 700 books on pakistan including his own books at his host's personal library. and yet uses the phrase "inspite of being from RSS" in the sentence.
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Ishtiaq ahmed...
he finished his india trip after about three months. looks like the reason he stayed so long is to find out whether muslims are really victimised in Modi's India, seems to have spent most of his time with co-ideologists i.e leftists and co-religionists.

as an aside, can someone give a shot at figuring out what ranade was saying off mike in the video below when repeating "all politicians when in trouble they use the islamic card" ?
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Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed speaking about 'India-Pakistan Peace in Our Lifetime?' at Gokhale Institute
 
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Least retarded Pakistani nuclear scientist. 👇

88. Sanskrit didn't originate in India. It came from Iraq and Mesopotamia
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I can't even contemplate to how can this nuclear scientist can come to level.
At least he not researching technology ⚙ to harness heat 🔥 energy ⚡ from Djinns 🧞‍♂️.
 

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88. With reference to articles to like below, learn from India (Manmohan), he took Indian economy to shiet, he was God & yada yada (no Mudi though, Mudi still fascist).

 

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India is broken. Pakistan is much more so!
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JAVED HASSAN
December 29, 202310:12

In his magnum opus, "India is Broken," former World Bank economist and visiting Princeton professor Ashoka Mody provides a sensitive and refreshingly different perspective on the political-economic history of India since independence. In contrast to the prevailing exuberance about 'Shining India' or 'India’s Century,' Mody paints a bleak picture of the betrayal by its leaders of the aspirations of the Indian people. But many of the flaws that he ascribes to India can also be related to Pakistan.

While India's recent high GDP growth headlines may seem impressive, Mody argues that these statistics do not tell the whole story of a country grappling with massive and rising inequalities and acute job scarcity. He underscores that "the Indian economy is failing to create jobs, especially those that would support a dignified standard of living." The job shortfall, estimated at 25 million in 1955, worsened over the subsequent decades, reaching at least 80 million by 2019.

India’s post-liberalization GDP growth phase has done little to reduce the jobs backlog. Mody argues that development, now augmented by "fintechs," generates only a handful of jobs for highly qualified individuals. Public administration is growing robustly, but this, too, creates limited job opportunities. Disturbingly, he points out that "among other growth sectors, construction (helped by the government’s infrastructure drive) and low-end services (in trade, transport, and hotels) mostly create financially precarious jobs that leave workers one life event away from severe distress."

As a remedy to the failures, Mody advocates not less but more democracy. He advocates governance models that result in greater devolvement and less centralized decision making to address the fundamental issues hindering social cohesion and human development. Policymakers in both countries should reevaluate priorities such that development creates jobs that support a dignified standard of living for citizens.
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Mody traces India's trajectory of jobless growth to Nehru’s flawed economic policy of "big push" industrialization strategy, concentrated around massive steel plants, power stations, and dams — famously called the “temples of modern India” by the prime minister. Nehru and much of the Indian political elite never committed to a market-based economy or the need to provide citizens with “public goods,” which include education, health, urban infrastructure, clean water, clean air, and a fair and responsive judiciary. A focus on investment in public goods would have not only addressed the human livability priorities of most ordinary Indians but, as Mody convincingly argues, also made India’s economy more productive and provided the basis for job-creating growth.

The path of the oligopolistic industrial structure taken by India failed to create a virtuous circle of economic development. After a number of fits and starts, India came close to sovereign bankruptcy in 1991, forcing the country to open its economy. Mody argues that liberalization only saw grudging steps toward promoting a market economy, resulting in “the narrowest and most cynical economic growth strategy.”

An alternative economic model was available to Nehru, one that mirrored Japan’s success under the Meiji restoration. The starting point for this required a singular focus on human development, especially universal education. A mutually reinforcing cycle of high-quality education, investments in agricultural productivity and domestic manufacturing, and an aggressive pursuit of exporting to foreign markets transformed Japan from a feudal agrarian society to ranking among industrialized nations by the 1920s. Taiwan in 1957 followed the more comprehensive and inclusive Japanese development approach towards industrialization and improving the living standards of an average Taiwanese citizen. This model was subsequently adopted by almost all successful transformations across Asia, from Korea to Singapore in the 70s and 80s, and over the last three decades in China and Vietnam.

Mody excoriates Nehru’s “neglect of human development did the greatest long-term damage. That neglect is shocking not just because Nehru was a historian who understood the central role of human development in national cohesion and economic progress, but also because Nehru had a guide he revered, the towering Rabindranath Tagore.” The poet-mystic had earlier provided a vision that many developmental economists today echo: “all successful industrialized nations, including the American Founding Fathers in the late eighteenth century, the leaders of Japan’s Meiji Restoration in the late nineteenth century, and the communist leaders in the totalitarian Soviet Union in the first half of the twentieth century. The political ideologies across time and distance could not have been more different, but the consistent and vigorous emphasis on education was always the same.”

Pakistan’s governance failures reverberate many of India's developmental missteps in addition to its own distinctive debacles. It may not have built the “temples” of heavy industry, but has woefully neglected investment in human capital. With a literacy rate lower than India’s and over 20 million children out of school, it is failing to create the jobs necessary to absorb as many as three million youth entering the job market, let alone cater for the backlog.

As a remedy to the failures, Mody advocates not less but more democracy. He advocates governance models that result in greater devolvement and less centralized decision making to address the fundamental issues hindering social cohesion and human development. Policymakers in both countries should reevaluate priorities such that development creates jobs that support a dignified standard of living for citizens.

– Javed Hassan is an investment banker who has worked in London, Hong Kong, and Karachi.

He tweets as @javedhassan.

 

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