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nitesh said:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pa...ootout/443053/

Pakistani Taliban militant leader Baituallah Mehsud claimed on Saturday responsibility for an attack on a US immigration centre in New York state in which 13 people were killed.

"I accept resonsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to US drone attacks," Mehsud told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location.
FBI rejects Taliban US attack claim

Saturday, April 04, 2009
19:32 Mecca time, 16:32 GMT


Police surrounded the building after
the gunman took hostages [AFP]

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has dismissed claims made by the Pakistan Taliban that it was responsible for an attack in the state of New York in which a gunman killed 13 people.

Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, had claimed in a phone call to Al Jazeera that he had ordered the shooting in which a man, believed to be a Vietnamese immigrant, opened fire at an immigration centre.

Mehsud had said the attack was a direct response to the drone attacks carried out by US forces on Pakistani tribal areas and a second attacker had managed to escape.

But Richard Kolko, an FBI spokesman, said on Saturday: "Based on the evidence, we can firmly discount that claim."

At least 13 people died after the assailant went on a shooting spree at the centre where aid is given to immigrants, before he shot himself dead.

Al Jazeera reporter Kristen Saloomey said the gunman is believed to have been a 42-year-old immigrant who had recently lost his job and was distressed after being teased and humiliated over his poor English language skills.

Heavily armed police, backed by commandos and FBI agents, surrounded the American Civic Association building in Binghampton, northern New York, on Friday after the incident was first reported.


Hostage reports

The man had entered the building in Binghamton, about 240 km northwest of New York city, and shot two receptionists, Joseph Zikuski, the Binghampton police chief, said.


Police say the attack was
premeditated [Reuters]

"It obviously was premeditated,'' said Zikuski.

He said the gunman had blocked the centre's rear exit with his car.

"He made sure nobody could escape,' he said.

One receptionist was killed, but another pretended to be dead, then crawled to a desk and called authorities, he said.

Zhanar Tokhtabayeva, from Kazakhstan, said she was in an English class when she heard a shot and her teacher screamed for everyone to hide in a storage room.

"I heard the shots, every shot. I heard no screams, just silence, shooting,'' she said.

"I was thinking, when will this stop? I was thinking that my life was finished.''

The American Civic Association helps immigrants in the Binghamton area with citizenship applications, according to US Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Shooting incidents have become increasingly common in the US, where guns are widely available and the rights to own them are fiercely debated.

In 2007, in one of the worst incidents, a student went on a gun rampage, killing 32 people at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg, Virginia.


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/04/20094414274878141.html
 

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52 bodies recovered from container in Quetta



Updated at: 2230 PST, Saturday, April 04, 2009


QUETTA: Fifty-two people apparently suffocated to death in a closed container found abandoned here in Hazar Ganj area on Saturday.

According to sources, 150 people were inside the container who were being illegally taken across border.

The container was reportedly being transported from Afghanistan to Iran via Pakistan.

Eyewitnesses say, most of the deceased apparently belonged to Afghanistan and tribal areas. They said the driver of the container when opened the container’s door found the people inside it dead and unconscious due to suffocation.

The driver escaped from the scene leaving the truck on the road, witnesses added.

The bodies and unconscious people have been shifted to nearby hospitals.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=73729
 

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Baitullah Mehsud in cahoots with ISI. This tells us that how Talibans are deeply entrenched with ISI pay masters. They reaping what they have sowed.

Mehsud’s Pals In High Places
Mark Hosenball

NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Apr 13, 2009

Baitullah Mehsud, the brazen jihadist operating along the violent, lawless border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, has a curious gift for escape. On several occasions over the past couple of years, security forces in Pakistan have launched operations to kill or capture him, and each time he has vanished without incident. Based in South Waziristan, where he heads a group known as the Tehrik-e-Taliban, Mehsud has made a name for himself since late 2007 as one of the militants' most ambitious leaders. Increasingly emboldened, Mehsud claimed credit last week for a deadly paramilitary assault on a police academy near Lahore and threatened the White House, telling the Associated Press: "Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world." U.S. officials generally dismiss the threat—Mehsud is not believed to possess either the resources or the global reach to pull off such an attack—but his elusiveness suggests that he has friends in high places.

Two counterterrorism experts familiar with official U.S. government reporting, who each requested anonymity when discussing sensitive matters, said that officials in both Washington and Islamabad suspect Mehsud has contacts inside the ISI, Pakistan's inscrutable and sprawling intelligence agency. Mehsud's contacts, the theory goes, are tipping him off before Pakistani troops can pounce. According to a Pakistani source who follows the issue, high-level American officials have shared with their counterparts in Islamabad some intelligence indicating that renegade ISI elements helped Mehsud's group train for the December 2007 assassination of Pakistan's former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, whose widower, Asif Ali Zardari, is now the country's president. (U.S. officials either declined to discuss that point or said they couldn't confirm it.) Given Mehsud's odious reputation and Pakistan's purported knowledge of his whereabouts, "it's a puzzle why they're ignoring and avoiding any strike against him," one tribal elder in the region, who asked for his name to be withheld for safety reasons, told NEWSWEEK.

MEHSUD definitely has one other well-connected ally in the region. "Baitullah is very much mixed up in Afghanistan and with Al Qaeda," said one Afghan Taliban commander, who also requested anonymity, adding that Mehsud was capable of shipping foreign fighters into Afghanistan "and even [farther] west." Several U.S. officials consider such threats to be mere chest-thumping, but they don't rule out the possibility that Mehsud could be cooperating with better-equipped jihadists, such as the remnants of Al Qaeda's high command. Frances Townsend, a top counterterrorism adviser to former president George W. Bush, notes that Mehsud has already demonstrated his ability to mount attacks inside Pakistani cities, well beyond his base of operations. "You have got to be careful about dismissing [his more expansive threats] out of hand," Townsend warned.
 

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guys check this how much money is needed?

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200904081911.htm

Pakistan seeks additional $30 billion U.S. aid

Washington (IANS): Pakistan has asked for a $30 billion Marshall Plan-like package for Pakistan and Afghanistan over the next five years to fight the al-Qaeda, blunt anti-American sentiment and secure Pakistan from extremists bent on destabilising its civilian government.

The demand was made by Pakistan's Ambassador to U.S. Husain Haqqani in an interview with the Washington Times published on Wednesday.

Mr. Haqqani, who plans to attend an international donors meeting for Pakistan in Tokyo next week, said that the cost to the West was negligible compared to that of rescuing failing banks and corporations. {Till what level they can dive for bagging now MNC are compared to them}

"And the impact in terms of American security and in terms of the longer term stability of the world in a very precarious region will be far greater," he said, claiming "Pakistan has the will to fight terrorists, it needs the means and the United States should provide those."
{Isn't this is blackmailing give us money or face terrorism}
The ambassador denied published reports that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was helping the Taliban, which the spy agency helped create 20 years ago. "There are contacts for source building," Mr. Haqqani said. "The era of active support for jihadis is over." {And for covert support is started}

Mr. Haqqani said he understood concerns regarding Pakistan's past efforts to fight Taliban extremism in the region, but that the ruling Pakistan People's Party is fully committed to the war on terror and to partnership with the U.S..

"It is time for our allies, our partners, especially the United States, to understand that any misgivings and disagreements that relate to the past should not come in the way of helping Pakistan in the present and for the future," he said.

He cautioned, however, that it would take time to change attitudes in Pakistan. "This is not a switch that can be turned on and off," he said. It "takes a while for the counter-narrative to be accepted."

{So terrorism will continue}

Despite Mr. Haqqani's assurances that the Zardari government is gaining in strength, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Howard Berman last week introduced a bill that would withhold U.S. military aid to Pakistan unless the president certifies that it is not supporting terrorist attacks on India.
 

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ok now here it comes straight from government:
such thugs are in government only is anything else is needed...

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...9/US-wants-to-break-up-Pakistan-says-minister

US wants to break up Pakistan, says minister
Published: April 08, 2009

ISLAMABAD - “American policies are not of a friend but of a foe and Richard Holbrooke and Mike Mullen are in Pakistan to put a price on our loyalty to our religion and the Islamic State of Pakistan but we are not a saleable commodity.”
Federal Minister for Science & Technology Azam Khan Swati while commenting on the recent visit of the American military and political leadership to Pakistan said this on Tuesday.
According to a press release issued here, Swati said that Nato’s presence in the region was a great threat to the very existence of Afghanistan, Pakistan, China and Iran as well.:blum3: “American policies aim to dismantle Pakistan, neutralise Iran and contain China to make India a regional superpower to achieve her objectives,” :Laie_39:he added.
He said Obama’s administration was following the conspiracy hatched by George W Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield and would lead America towards destruction. He added the US policy aimed to destroy Pak Armed Forces, marginalise state-of-the-art security agency, ISI, and ruin Pakistan.:blum3:
“To achieve its objectives, Americans are spreading hatred in the mind and heart of the people of world by portraying Islamists as cruel, inhuman and threat to humanity:mornin:, and are trying to divide Pakistani nation on religious basis,” the Minister said. He added that the people of Pakistan would foil their nefarious designs, as the people of NWFP and Fata were peace-loving and practical Muslims and would never succumb to the pressure of foreign forces.
 

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Baitullah Mehsud in cahoots with ISI. This tells us that how Talibans are deeply entrenched with ISI pay masters. They reaping what they have sowed.
The ISI is disparate and unable to act as a cohesive unit. It is feared because it is unpredicable, with several different, often conflicting agendas.

I am quite inclined to believe that the ISI is unable to control its own people at the moment.

Pakistan is reaping what they have sowed - I wonder how long before India will also reap what Pakistan has been sowing in earnest - the latest happenings in Kashmir indicate that this may be already happening.
 

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Trust Is Issue, Pakistan Tells U.S.

By JANE PERLEZ
Published: April 8, 2009

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Two senior American officials came under withering public criticism from Pakistan on Tuesday, with the Pakistani foreign minister saying that “trust” between the countries was in question, particularly over the issue of American missile attacks in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

With the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, and the special envoy to the region, Richard C. Holbrooke, at his side, the minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, said: “We did talk about drones, and let me be very frank: there is a gap between us.”

He added, “The bottom line is the question of trust.”

In another sign of new strains in the relationship, the head of Pakistan’s intelligence service, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, refused to meet separately with Mr. Holbrooke and Admiral Mullen, who had requested a meeting, according to Pakistani officials and an American official, who sought anonymity because he did not want to further damage relations.

General Pasha did attend a meeting with the two Americans and Pakistani military’s chief of staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, according to a statement issued by the press arm of the Pakistani Army after Mr. Holbrooke and Admiral Mullen left Islamabad for India on Tuesday night.

Mr. Qureshi singled out the issue of the remotely piloted aircraft armed with missiles that the United States used against Al Qaeda’s havens in the tribal areas adjacent to Afghanistan.


But senior Pakistani military and intelligence officers have also been deeply rankled by a public suggestion almost two weeks ago by Mr. Holbrooke and the head of Central Command, Gen. David H. Petraeus, that the powerful Pakistani intelligence agency was still supporting Taliban fighters who cross into Afghanistan to attack American troops.

Mr. Holbrooke and General Mullen arrived in Pakistan Monday night for a one-day visit during which they planned to elaborate on the details of the new strategy laid out by President Obama to eliminate Qaeda sanctuaries in Pakistan.

At a news conference at the Foreign Ministry, Mr. Qureshi raised his voice to admonish the two Americans. “The terms of engagement are very clear,” he said. “We will engage with mutual trust and mutual respect, and that is the bottom line.”

He added: “We can only work together if we respect each other and trust each other. There is no other way and nothing else will work.”


Under the new Obama policy, American officials have said, new infusions of American military and civilian aid will be carefully monitored to ensure it is spent for the intended purposes, and not diverted for other uses.


Obama administration officials have said there will be “no blank check for Pakistan.” In response, Mr. Qureshi said Pakistan would “neither accept nor give one.”


Mr. Holbrooke said the United States and Pakistan had enjoyed a long relationship and Washington continued to back Pakistan.

American and Pakistan officials will meet in Tokyo soon to raise funds to help Pakistan with its economic difficulties, he said. “This is the pattern, that will continue,” Mr. Holbrooke said.
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This should be seen in the context of the recent disclosures that the drone attacks were happening from bases within Pakistan with the help of the PA. It seems to me that the Hon. Foreign Minister is simply trying to placate the public anger (or someone's anger anyhow)

It is perfectly reasonable for the US to demand that its aid be spent in the correct manner. Perhaps the people in the Pakistani establishment who have been misusing the aid to buy weapons to use against India would not be happy with the new policy.
 

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What sort of thinking is this? Does this guys want to get invaded or what

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KD09Df04.html

As Senator Mashahid commented, "What monetary aid? [Pakistan] gets US$1.5 billion per year for a five-year period. Just compare this with the $200 billion in aid the US has spent on Afghanistan and the $700 billion it has spent on Iraq. We should consider at what price we are prepared to sacrifice our national interests."
 

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What sort of thinking is this? Does this guys want to get invaded or what

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KD09Df04.html

As Senator Mashahid commented, "What monetary aid? [Pakistan] gets US$1.5 billion per year for a five-year period. Just compare this with the $200 billion in aid the US has spent on Afghanistan and the $700 billion it has spent on Iraq. We should consider at what price we are prepared to sacrifice our national interests."
 

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The ISI is disparate and unable to act as a cohesive unit. It is feared because it is unpredicable, with several different, often conflicting agendas.

I am quite inclined to believe that the ISI is unable to control its own people at the moment.

Pakistan is reaping what they have sowed - I wonder how long before India will also reap what Pakistan has been sowing in earnest - the latest happenings in Kashmir indicate that this may be already happening.
india has been reaping what has been sowed by the the pakistanis for long. thanks to them we had a volatile punjab, the saga of j&k continues and there are reports which if believed quite clearly state they have been brewing up the problem in the north east for long by using bangladesh as a hub for all such activities. zia having learnt lessons from afganistan leashed the policy of thousand cuts on india which was to be majorly molded around terrorism as a key strategy. what pakistan is seeing today, india has been seen the same now for the past two decades and if the history of north east has to be taken as a case study then that dates back to much earlier days than a punjab or a j&k happened. indian armed forces are hardened combatants in anti terror ops and if one reflects back the armed forces of a wide ranging countries have insisted on having a training course with their counterparts from the indian armed forces which in it self speaks volumes about the capabilities that have been inherited and developed over all these decades in tackling the monster of terror.


the issue with isi is that they are a state with in a state and they work independent of any outside control and when pushed around they have enough power to dislodge or work against that interest group. there are very clear vested interests in the isi who have an agenda of having an islamic republic for then they have a dictatorship accepted to the awam of pakistan as also to the world at large. there is no way pa will allow isi be weakened no matter what amount of pressure is exerted on them by the west. through isi the pa advances its agenda both with in the country and outside the country and through them they are the defacto rulers of that country.


the story of isi having rouge elements started from the same denial mode that most pakistanis tend to live in. the allegations of isi sponsoring terror outfits first surfaced post 9/11 when it was found that there had been a constant support of isi to osama bin laden. musharraf the then dictator of pakistan went on a complete denial mode and rubbished all such reports in the first place but when he was confronted with evidence by the US he put in an instant spin to it by saying the retired and rouge elements could be blamed for the act and the tale continues and since then the only difference that has happened is that the plot now has been put across more convincingly by putting across a general as its head who is seen as a liberal than most and some one who pretends that he intends to tame the beast that you and i know as the isi. this was necessitated for US had been successful in doing a coup of sorts on the isi when gilani was made the PM and prior to his first visit to the US there were directives issued to put the isi under the civil set up where the lt gen would directly report to their interior minister than the chief of army staff. when a country depends on external sources for its survival then it becomes important that one listens to the masters who feed them even though superficially, but it has to be convincing enough for the others and that is the success story of pakistan army.
 

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Is this is an indication towards something..............

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Story...=Act+against+Islamist+militants:+China+to+Pak

Act against Islamist militants: China to Pak
Press Trust Of India
London, April 09, 2009
First Published: 14:15 IST(9/4/2009)
Last Updated: 14:17 IST(9/4/2009)

China has underlined the need for Islamabad to take action against Islamist militants who may be be plotting attacks inside the Communist nation from Pakistan's restive tribal areas, a news report has said.

In two meetings over recent months, senior Chinese officials have warned the Pakistani government about the threat.Chinese officials have told President Asif Ali Zardari's government that the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (Etim), a separatist group originally from Xinjiang province, was plotting attacks into the communist nation from inside Pakistan's tribal areas, which has become a haven for Islamist terrorists, the Independent newspaper reported.

Xinjiang, a vast area that borders Central Asia, has about 8.3 million Uighurs, and many of them say they have for decades suffered under Chinese political and religious persecution.Chinese officials revealed details of the meetings to prominent Pakistani politician Mushahid Hussain.

"They told me that the Etim has its military headquarters in [the tribal areas] and is planning to attack China on the 60th anniversary celebration of the communist revolution in October," Hussain was quoted as saying by the British daily.
 

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why this?

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...ernational_April789.xml&section=international

ISLAMABAD - A spokesman says 'heightened security' is prompting the suspension of routine consular services Friday at the U.S. Embassy in Pakistan’s capital.

Lou Fintor declined Thursday night to give any more information on what led to the security concern in Islamabad.

He said the U.S. consulates in Lahore, Karachi and Peshawar will be open Friday.

Islamabad has witnessed some violence in recent weeks, including a suicide bombing near a major road that killed eight paramilitary personnel.

Fintor says while regular consular services, such as visa processing for Pakistani nationals, won’t be available in the capital on Friday, the embassy still will be able to provide emergency services to Americans.
 

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ha ha ha official baggers.....................

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513918,00.html
After watching the U.S. government dole out hundreds of billions of dollars to mismanaged corporations and risk-taking Wall Streeters, Pakistan's envoy to the U.S. said Washington should re-think its priorities — and send some of that money his way.
"A company at the verge of failure is quite clearly able to get a bigger bailout than a nation that has been accused of failure," Haqqani said. "That's something that in this town needs a review."
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ha ha ha official baggers.....................

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513918,00.html
After watching the U.S. government dole out hundreds of billions of dollars to mismanaged corporations and risk-taking Wall Streeters, Pakistan's envoy to the U.S. said Washington should re-think its priorities — and send some of that money his way.
"A company at the verge of failure is quite clearly able to get a bigger bailout than a nation that has been accused of failure," Haqqani said. "That's something that in this town needs a review."
What u say guys
 

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Indian hand in Lahore attack, claims Pak cop

Well they had to point fingers at India. They did it even before they started their investigations.
Wonder when they will stop living in denial?
 

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http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009/04/10/story_10-4-2009_pg3_5

VIEW: Getting real on terrorism —Ismail Khan

It is high time that we wake up to reality: militancy has to be dealt with as a whole; a piecemeal approach cannot deliver and in fact will allow this cancer to spread further in our society

There is increasing sternness in the voices emanating from our neighbouring countries about the presence of militant Islamist elements with our borders. These elements, it is argued, receive training and sanctuary in Pakistan and strike its neighbours at a time and place of their choosing. Some even continue to contend a direct state role in these episodes of terrorism.

While the Pakistani state has acknowledged the presence of militants with transnational objectives — indeed this is no longer a hidden secret — Pakistani society at large continues to remain in denial about the repercussions their ambivalence to the militant threat may have for the country.

Pakistan risks nothing short of total isolation in due course should it remain unable to tame the militancy. And by ‘militancy’, one does not mean selective groups; there has to be a philosophical commitment against militancy of any kind to win this war.

The post-1980 security paradigm that saw jihadis as a state asset still lingers in the minds of our intelligentsia. Just as the world exaggerates the extent to which Pakistan is responsible for the woes in Afghanistan, Islamabad turns a blind eye to instances where Pakistani soil may have been used to hatch terrorist plots executed in Afghanistan. Similarly, the “pulp patriotism” that flourished after the Mumbai attacks in the Pakistani media –though this was in response to Indian brinkmanship — still resonates with the people of Pakistan.

Further, one of the premises for this inherently flawed framework was that all regional states excluding the targets, i.e. the Soviet Union and (later) India, would favour or be indifferent to the Pakistani strategy. While that may have worked till 2001, the post-9/11 transformation has led even our staunchest allies to feel the heat, call upon us to reverse our outlook and dismantle the terrorists’ physical presence.

Two such examples are noteworthy.

First, recently Iran approached Pakistan regarding the activities of Jundullah, a Sunni militant organisation that has been involved in several attacks in Iran’s Sistan-va-Baluchestan province. The city of Saravan has been targeted repeatedly, including through a “rare” suicide bombing last year.

Pakistan has drawn a line between state support to Jundullah and the group’s presence within its borders. In reply to Iran’s charges, Pakistan’s foreign ministry has stated that it would ensure that Pakistan’s soil is not used for attacks inside Iran. This assurance presumes that while Jundullah may be present in Pakistan, the state is in no way involved in such activities. This is much the same plea we were forced to make on Mumbai.

While today the Iranians may be convinced of a lack of institutional support to Jundullah, our defence is based on very shaky rationale. Ultimately, the argument from Iran (and India on Mumbai) is sure to be that Pakistan, even if not involved as a state, has become entirely incapable of dealing with these groups. This then could become grounds for a future UN resolution to justify some sort of breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty.

Then there is China, whose friendship with Pakistan ran “greater than Himalayas and deeper than the Arabian Sea”. Parallel to the emerging Sino-Soviet split during the Cold War, China’s friendly relations with Pakistan were seen as a balance to Indian presence in the region.

Today, things are much different. With Sino-Indian rapprochement, both countries are beginning to see eye-to-eye on a number of issues. Interestingly, China on the one hand seems to be playing more of a balancing act between Pakistan and India, and on the other, is growing increasingly wary of a connection between Pakistani terrorism and unrest in its restive Xinjiang province.

The prime concern at this point is the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), an anti-China group, whose presence in Pakistan has been confirmed. So far, Pakistan has been receptive to China’s concerns. The leader of EITM, Hasan Mahsum, was killed in an operation conducted by Pakistan Army in South Waziristan in October 2003. Additionally, the Red Mosque vigilantes’ attacks on Chinese ‘massage parlours’ is also what triggered the controversial operation at Lal Masjid. Moreover, post-Mumbai, Pakistan was hesitant to take action against the Jama’at-ud Dawa until China distanced itself from vetoing the move in the Security Council to ban JuD.

Notwithstanding, Pakistan’s positive response to China (and for that matter its reassurance to Iran) is at best a fire fighting measure.

The Pakistani state and citizens must remain cognisant of two facts.

First, no neighbour or global power is happy with terrorist organisations operating with relative immunity in Pakistan.

Second, the world is increasingly becoming wary of Pakistan’s tactics to separate ‘good’ and ‘bad’ militants. Pakistan is seen to be acting against the militants threatening it or the states it considers allies, but not against countries like India, the US and Afghanistan. Global patience is running out on such antics.

It is high time that we wake up to reality: militancy has to be dealt with as a whole; a piecemeal approach cannot deliver and in fact will allow this cancer to spread further in our society.

The moment when the world declares Pakistan incapable and unwilling to deal with terrorism is not far. Make no mistake, even the staunchest of our allies will be on board at that time in forcing the issue to prevent militancy and terrorism from spreading across South Asia and beyond. Terrorism threatens everyone; there are no longer any takers for Pakistan’s ‘nuanced’ outlook on the issue.

The writer is a graduate student at Boston University
 

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http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/10/op.htm

Thinking outside the box


By Shandana Khan Mohmand

IF there is anything that the Mumbai terror attacks have made clear, it is that it’s time to think outside the box.

The manner in which we in Pakistan have thought, spoken and acted so far has led us here. If we want to move away from this spot, the same conventional thought process and attitude is no longer going to work. A dramatic shift is now required in the way we perceive our region and conceive our identity.

First: we need to be less defensive. There are many reasons for this, not least of which is the fact that it simply makes us look stupid. It is one thing to insist that you need more evidence in order to initiate action. It is quite another to question each piece of mounting evidence, especially in the face of a general popular acceptance of the fact that there are organisations here in Pakistan that openly purport the ideology that they are being accused of, about which we choose to do little.

Imagine this: a Pakistani organisation is so implicated in such activities that the United Nations actually sees fit to declare it a terrorist organisation, but we sit around and let it operate freely and openly until we get news of this declaration, at which point we spring into action.

What were we thinking until now? The banners hanging from most lamp-posts in Lahore for the last few weeks, asking people to contribute their “qurbani hides” to the organisation should demonstrate well the unfettered operations that this group enjoyed.

Being defensive, however, may be a hard behavioural trait to alter because it is firmly embedded even in our everyday social interactions. Mohammad Hanif , the brilliant author of A Case of Exploding Mangoes made a fantastic reference in a BBC article to “that uncle that you get stranded with at a family gathering when everybody else has gone to sleep but there is still some whisky left in the bottle” in describing Musharraf’s behaviour when he announced his coup against himself last year.

Taking this analogy further, this quintessentially Pakistani uncle has two other very familiar traits. One, he is extremely defensive about every one of his own identities — nationality, religion, sect, class, career — and has a deep distrust of all those who inhabit the realm of the “other”. And two, he resolutely believes that the only verification any fact needs is for it to be emitting from his mouth. Musharraf suffered heavily from this delusion, but so do so many of our other uncles, those in our homes, those at our parties, and those currently issuing statements on TV.

Second, we need to stop acting in a merely reactionary manner. The “if they were in our place they would have behaved in the same way” attitude isn’t going to get us very far. Many of us tried to point that out to the Pakistani government all the way back in May 1998 when India first tested its nuclear bomb.

Our government thought for about two weeks and then chose to act in exactly the same way, rather than to secure its position on the moral high horse by backing away from such childish tit-for-tat arguments and games.

Our ‘outside-the-box’ collective thinking now needs to demonstrate that though it may be true that if some other country had been in our position they may have acted with misguided nationalist bravado, we are capable of acting differently, not because it is demanded or expected of us, but because this is the right thing to do and because we take such terrorist attacks very seriously, both at home and abroad. The moral high horse may be the only thing that Pakistan can have going for it right now, and yet, even that is being squandered away by the defensiveness of those who claim to speak on its behalf.

Third, Pakistan needs to accept a very harsh reality — it is not the equal of India,
and the belief that we can be compared has stunted our development no end. We cannot win a war against it, we cannot compare the instability of our political system to the stability of theirs, we cannot hope to compete economically with what is a booming economy well on its way to becoming a global economic power, and we certainly cannot compare the conservativeness of our society to the open pluralism of their everyday life.

Accepting these realities may allow Pakistan to give up its nationalistic bravado and posturing, and may actually allow it to accept its more realistic role in this region — one that requires that it live in peace with India, that it not unnecessarily provoke its wrath and that it understands that its most beneficial economic strategy would be to get in on the boom next door.

For that we need to think outside the box — outside the box of the two-nation theory, outside the box of the violence of 1947, and outside the box of the ill-conceived wars of the last six decades.

The writer is a doctoral candidate at the Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex.
 

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http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/10/op.htm

Thinking outside the box


By Shandana Khan Mohmand

IF there is anything that the Mumbai terror attacks have made clear, it is that it’s time to think outside the box.

The manner in which we in Pakistan have thought, spoken and acted so far has led us here. If we want to move away from this spot, the same conventional thought process and attitude is no longer going to work. A dramatic shift is now required in the way we perceive our region and conceive our identity.

First: we need to be less defensive. There are many reasons for this, not least of which is the fact that it simply makes us look stupid. It is one thing to insist that you need more evidence in order to initiate action. It is quite another to question each piece of mounting evidence, especially in the face of a general popular acceptance of the fact that there are organisations here in Pakistan that openly purport the ideology that they are being accused of, about which we choose to do little.

Imagine this: a Pakistani organisation is so implicated in such activities that the United Nations actually sees fit to declare it a terrorist organisation, but we sit around and let it operate freely and openly until we get news of this declaration, at which point we spring into action.

What were we thinking until now? The banners hanging from most lamp-posts in Lahore for the last few weeks, asking people to contribute their “qurbani hides” to the organisation should demonstrate well the unfettered operations that this group enjoyed.

Being defensive, however, may be a hard behavioural trait to alter because it is firmly embedded even in our everyday social interactions. Mohammad Hanif , the brilliant author of A Case of Exploding Mangoes made a fantastic reference in a BBC article to “that uncle that you get stranded with at a family gathering when everybody else has gone to sleep but there is still some whisky left in the bottle” in describing Musharraf’s behaviour when he announced his coup against himself last year.

Taking this analogy further, this quintessentially Pakistani uncle has two other very familiar traits. One, he is extremely defensive about every one of his own identities — nationality, religion, sect, class, career — and has a deep distrust of all those who inhabit the realm of the “other”. And two, he resolutely believes that the only verification any fact needs is for it to be emitting from his mouth. Musharraf suffered heavily from this delusion, but so do so many of our other uncles, those in our homes, those at our parties, and those currently issuing statements on TV.

Second, we need to stop acting in a merely reactionary manner. The “if they were in our place they would have behaved in the same way” attitude isn’t going to get us very far. Many of us tried to point that out to the Pakistani government all the way back in May 1998 when India first tested its nuclear bomb.

Our government thought for about two weeks and then chose to act in exactly the same way, rather than to secure its position on the moral high horse by backing away from such childish tit-for-tat arguments and games.

Our ‘outside-the-box’ collective thinking now needs to demonstrate that though it may be true that if some other country had been in our position they may have acted with misguided nationalist bravado, we are capable of acting differently, not because it is demanded or expected of us, but because this is the right thing to do and because we take such terrorist attacks very seriously, both at home and abroad. The moral high horse may be the only thing that Pakistan can have going for it right now, and yet, even that is being squandered away by the defensiveness of those who claim to speak on its behalf.

Third, Pakistan needs to accept a very harsh reality — it is not the equal of India,
and the belief that we can be compared has stunted our development no end. We cannot win a war against it, we cannot compare the instability of our political system to the stability of theirs, we cannot hope to compete economically with what is a booming economy well on its way to becoming a global economic power, and we certainly cannot compare the conservativeness of our society to the open pluralism of their everyday life.

Accepting these realities may allow Pakistan to give up its nationalistic bravado and posturing, and may actually allow it to accept its more realistic role in this region — one that requires that it live in peace with India, that it not unnecessarily provoke its wrath and that it understands that its most beneficial economic strategy would be to get in on the boom next door.

For that we need to think outside the box — outside the box of the two-nation theory, outside the box of the violence of 1947, and outside the box of the ill-conceived wars of the last six decades.

The writer is a doctoral candidate at the Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex.
 

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this is kinda funny ha ha ha things can't be better then this clearly shpws the retard thinking:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...y-Indian-spies-in-Pak/articleshow/4387116.cms

Circumcision no longer acid test to identify Indian spies
11 Apr 2009, 0013 hrs IST, Omer Farooq Khan, TNN

ISLAMABAD: In the past, jubilant Pakistani authorities have announced that foreign (read Indian) agents were involved in explosions and attacks in the restive Swat region based on examination of the corpses of the killed attackers.:d_training:

But the “acid test”:connie_jail: cops and officials used to determine whether any of the dead ones was Indian was to check whether the man had been circumcised . If not, they would summarily dub him Hindu and therefore an Indian agent.

But as more such cases showed up, in places where there was not a ghost of a chance of any Indian involvement, doctors and officials began to worry about the methodology. It’s then that they stumbled on a little-known anthropological fact about Pashtun tribes in Waziristan, from where many of the Tehreek-e-Taliban or Pakistani Taliban come.

It appears that many in the backward tribal areas of the country like Waziristan don’t undergo the mandatory circumcision that all Muslim males should undergo. :blum3:The story took a rather comic turn when some of government’s own injured paramilitary soldiers, when examined, were found to be uncircumcised. This was especially true of wounded soldiers of the Frontier Constabulary from Waziristan, engaged in fighting Taliban militants.:2guns:

Kamran Khan, a legislator from Waziristan in Pakistan’s lower house of parliament, told the Times of India that many in the poor tribal areas fail to undergo circumcision because it is either not mandated in their tribal codes or because in many villages there are neither hospitals or even barbers, who perform most circumcisions in rural areas.

‘‘People are either circumcised in hospitals or barbers do the job. Neither we have hospitals in Waziristan nor institution of barbers,’’
Khan said, adding that poor people of Waziristan can’t afford to take their male children to other areas for circumcision.
 

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