PAK DA - Russian Fifth Generation Stealth Bomber

[W.G.Ewald]

...Strategic is not necessarily nuclear either.

B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber - Airforce Technology

The B-2 is a low-observable, strategic, long-range, heavy bomber capable of penetrating sophisticated and dense air-defence shields. It is capable of all-altitude attack missions up to 50,000ft, with a range of more than 6,000nm unrefuelled and over 10,000nm with one refuelling, giving it the ability to fly to any point in the world within hours...An assessment published by the USAF showed that two B-2s armed with precision weaponry can do the job of 75 conventional aircraft...The aircraft carries all its weapons internally and is fitted with two separate weapons bays in the centre of the aircraft. The B-2 has the capacity to carry up to 40,000lb of weapons, including conventional and nuclear weapons, precision-guided munitions, gravity bombs and a range of maritime weapons. Each weapons bay is equipped with a rotary launcher and two bomb-rack assemblies. In tests, the B-2 successfully released B-61 and B-83 nuclear and mk84 conventional bombs from the rotary rocket launcher, and mk82 and CBU-87 conventional weapons from the bomb racks. The B61-11 is an earth-penetrating nuclear bomb for use against deeply buried and hardened targets. The B83 is a strategic free-fall nuclear bomb.

The B-2 can also carry the AGM-129 advanced cruise missile, which is a strategic cruise missile with a range estimated at up to 1,500 miles.

Libya crisis: B2 stealth bombers on 25 hour flight from Missouri to Tripoli | Mail Online

 

[Payeng]

Artistic impression of PAK-DA if not posted earlier........but where is the cockpit

 

[Mad Indian]

We dont need a Stealth bomber for even the 2030s but I think we may need them by 2050s. But for that, we have to start researching now

 

[Yusuf]

We dont need a Stealth bomber for even the 2030s but I think we may need them by 2050s. But for that, we have to start researching now

Explain the reason why we will not need till 2030 and will need in 2050?

 

[Payeng]

Can any one give a scenario where we might need a carpet bombing?

 

[Yusuf]

Can any one give a scenario where we might need a carpet bombing?

Only against Pak and it can be done using MKI

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Only against Pak and it can be done using MKI

Carpet bombing is mostly done by heavy bombers or transport aircraft, the flanker will be used for air support.

 

[Yusuf]

Carpet bombing is mostly done by heavy bombers or transport aircraft, the flanker will be used for air support.

MKI is a truck. Higher sortie count and we can get the job done.

 

[Payeng]

Only against Pak and it can be done using MKI

I mean we will need a military target to do a carpet bombing, we just cant kill civilian population even if they are alien and if civilian population is of no concern Nukes are their as a last resort, still not a valid reason to procure a strategic bomber for a purpose of carpet bombing

 

[Yusuf]

I mean we will need a military target to do a carpet bombing, we just cant kill civilian population even if they are alien and if civilian population is of no concern Nukes are their as a last resort, still not a valid reason to procure a strategic bomber for a purpose of carpet bombing

Exactly. That's why I said if at all it has to be Pak and we can use MKIs for that. I don't see us carpet bomb China. We are increasingly seeing precision strikes using drones and cruise missiles. Don't see any need to carpet bomb. It's usually to flatten a city which will include civilians. Something that we saw in WWII or Vietnam war. It's indiscriminate.

 

[Ganesh2691]

Russia's future PAK-DA manned bomber project will not have hypersonic speed capability, Russia's bomber force commander said on Wednesday, in an apparent contradiction of claims by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin earlier this year.

"PAK-DA, currently under development, will not be hypersonic," Lt. Gen. Anatoly Zhikharev told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

The first prototype PAK-DA is due to enter service around 2020, he added.

Hypersonic speeds are high supersonic, usually referring to Mach five and above, which can usually only be generated using advanced propulsion technology such as ramjet or scramjet engines. No manned aircraft has yet been flown using such technologies, which are on the cutting edge of aerospace know-how.

Zhikharev's statement follows a protracted exchange in the media between senior air force officers, including himself, and Rogozin, who has special responsibility for the arms industry, over what shape PAK-DA should take.

Rogozin repeated in August an earlier appeal for Russia to develop a hypersonic aircraft for its PAK-DA long-range bomber requirement.

"I think we need to go down the route of hypersonic technology and we are moving in that direction and are not falling behind the Americans," he said on Rossiya 24 TV. "We will use this technology when developing a new bomber."

In June, President Vladimir Putin ordered initial development of the new long-range bomber for strategic aviation. Speaking during a conference on defense orders, Putin said: "We have to develop work on the new PAK-DA long-range bomber aircraft for Long-Range Aviation. The task is not easy from a scientific-technical standpoint, but we need to start work."

Rogozin initially said in June he saw no need for PAK-DA to replace the air force's aging Tu-95MS cruise-missile carriers and Tu-160 supersonic bombers.

"These aircraft will not get anywhere. Not ours, not theirs," he said in an interview with Izvestia that month. He later clarified his statement by saying he was in favor of developing a future bomber, but it should not just be a copy of the serving US Northrop B-2 and should employ hypersonic technology.

In May, he called on Russia's defense industry to develop hypersonic air-breathing weapons as a future strike system. He cited American development work in the X-51, Falcon, HiFire and HyFly hypersonic programs as examples of what he described as the perspective threat posed by U.S. hypersonic development work.

Some aerospace analysts RIA Novosti has previously spoken to say Rogozin's comments are more likely to be relevant to a future air-launched missile, rather than the bomber that launches it.

Weapon and Technology: Russia’s future PAK-DA will not be Hypersonic

 

[asianobserve]

They should get their acts together...

 

[spikey360]

They should get their acts together...

Yeah, just like the Americans did in F117 case.

 

[Lubov]

Long range aviation or strategic aviation is part of Nuclear Triad paradigm. There is no need to argue "need it or not".

Nuclear triad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SajeevJino]

Russia to replace current bombers with subsonic flying wing ​

he Russian air force has selected a subsonic Tupolev flying wing proposal as the basis for its PAK-DA long-range bomber programme, according to command sources quoted by local media. If confirmed, the choice would end a long campaign by deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin to develop a hypersonic aircraft, which appears to have been abandoned as technically incompatible with the air force's insistence on extended-range performance and stealth characteristics.


Moscow announced a competition for bomber designs during 2012. Its programme "attracted several proposals from various design bureaus, including the Tupolev flying-wing design and at least one hypersonic proposal", a defence ministry source told the Izvestia newspaper.

A blended fuselage flying-wing design will permit installation of the engines inside the aircraft, maximising stealth and minimising the aircraft's infrared signature, air force sources say.

"Given the timescale, the general state of the Russian aerospace sector, the demands being placed upon it, and the likely available funding, a high-speed option was unlikely to be favoured given the enormous technical risk," says Douglas Barrie, air warfare analyst with the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies. "Hypersonics may feature as part of the PAK-DA programme, but as strike weapons carried within the aircraft's internal bay or bays."

Last year, Rogozin announced the formation of a joint-venture between Tactical Missiles Corporation and NPO Mashinostroyenia to research hypersonic technology.

Tupolev will complete an outline proposal for the aircraft and present a budget proposal for detailed design work by the start of 2014. Production is due to begin by 2020, with the type expected to eventually replace the air force's Tupolev Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers.

"Even taking the 'conservative' option, the timescale for development of the bomber remains ambitious," Barrie says.

Rogozin had long championed a hypersonic design for Russia's future bomber requirement. Speaking in August 2012, he noted: "The question is: will we copy the Americans' 40-year experience and create a [Northrop Grumman] B-2 analog? Or will we go down a new, ultra-modern technology route, looking to the horizon, and create a machine able to penetrate air defences and carry out a strike on any aggressor?"

Deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin had wanted to avoid imitating the USAF's B-2 design


Russia to replace current bombers with subsonic flying wing

 

[Daredevil]

The Russian Air Force has approved the conceptual design and specification of its future PAK-DA strategic bomber, paving the way for development of components for the aircraft, Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said Thursday.

"The development of the aircraft is going as planned. The outline of its design and characteristics has been approved and all relevant documents have been signed allowing the industry to start the development of systems for this plane," Bondarev said at a meeting with Russian lawmakers.

The PAK-DA (meaning future long-range aircraft) project has been in the works for several years but was given the formal go-ahead by the Russian leadership last year. It is due to replace Russia's aging fleet of 63 Tupolev Tu-95MS Bear and 13 Tu-160 Blackjack strategic bombers in the next decade.

According to recent reports in the Russian media, citing defense ministry sources, the Tupolev design bureau has won the PAK-DA development tender with its concept for a subsonic aircraft with a "flying wing" shape which provides superior "stealth capabilities."

The Defense Ministry insisted that the PAK-DA should be equipped with advanced electronic warfare systems and armed with new nuclear-capable long-range cruise missiles in addition to a veriety of high-precision conventional weapons.

The new bomber is expected to go in production by 2020 and will be built at a new aircraft assembly line at Russia's Kazan plant (KAPO), according to defense ministry officials. The same plant previously built the Tu-95MS and Tu-160.

Russian Air Force Approves New Bomber Design – Commander | Defense | RIA Novosti

 

[SajeevJino]

PAK DA - Russian Fifth Generation Steath Bomber ​

In a meeting with Russian lawmakers, Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said that all the relevant document were signed allowing the industry to begin the development of systems for the plane.

With its flying wing shape and radar-evading capabilities, the subsonic PAK-DA is destined to replace Moscow's aging fleet of 63 Tu-95 Bear and 13 Tu-160 Blackjack strategic bombers.

According to the RIA Novosti, Russian Air Force commander insisted that the aircraft will be equipped with advanced electronic warfare systems and armed with new nuclear-capable long-range cruise missiles, and will be able to carry a wide array of conventional precision guided weapons.

The new plane will enter production stage by 2020 with the first bomber in active service by 2025-2030 timeframe.

A "sixth-generation" pilotless strategic bomber based on the PAK-DA could came around 2040-2050.

 

[SajeevJino]

Conceptual Russian Air Force stealth bomber with Su-30 chase plane. Photo/illustration by Erik Simonsen

 

[SajeevJino]

Russia to See 20-Ton Combat Drone 'by 2018' – Industry Source​

The prototype of Russia's first 20-ton combat drone will be unveiled in 2018, a defense industry source said Thursday.

The 20-ton unmanned combat aerial vehicle is being developed by the Sukhoi company, and will be based on the fifth-generation T-50 fighter, United Aircraft Corporation president Mikhail Pogosyan said during the MAKS 2013 airshow near Moscow in August.

Pogosyan added that the drone was at a "preliminary research stage" and gave no indication of a timeline for development.

RIA Novosti's anonymous source also confirmed Thursday that a five-ton drone, being developed by the Kazan-based Sokol company, would be ready in 2015-16.

On September 24, Oleg Bochkarev, deputy head of the government's Military Industrial Commission, said that the Defense Ministry's instructions to speed up work in this area had been heard, and added that a one-ton combat drone should be ready to start tests by 2014.

Also in September, Russia's Berkut Aero design bureau and the UAE's Adcom Systems said they are working on a drone based on the Berkut VL superlight two-seat helicopter.

Russia to See 20-Ton Combat Drone 'by 2018' – Industry Source | Defense | RIA Novosti

 

[SajeevJino]

Russia Speeds Up Development of New Strategic Bomber​

Russia will begin the full-scale R&D work on its future strategic bomber in 2014, a senior aircraft-manufacturing industry official said Thursday.

The project, known as PAK-DA (an acronym meaning "future long-range aircraft"), has been in the works for several years but was given the formal go-ahead by the Russian leadership last year.

"A decision was made this year to expedite the development of the PAK-DA aircraft," Mikhail Pogosyan, head of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation, said at a meeting on the future of the Russian air force chaired by President Vladimir Putin.

"We finished coordinating the project with the Defense Ministry in September and at present we are getting ready to start full-scale work on research and development of these aircraft next year," Pogosyan said.

According to Russian media reports citing defense ministry sources, the Tupolev design bureau has won the PAK-DA development tender with its concept for a subsonic aircraft with a "flying wing" shape that provides superior "stealth capabilities."

The Defense Ministry insisted that the PAK-DA should be equipped with advanced electronic warfare systems and armed with new nuclear-capable long-range cruise missiles in addition to a variety of high-precision conventional weapons.

The new bomber is expected to go into production by 2020 and will most likely be built at a new aircraft assembly line at Russia's Kazan plant (KAPO), according to defense ministry officials.

The PAK-DA is due to replace Russia's aging fleet of 63 Tupolev Tu-95MS Bear and 13 Tu-160 Blackjack strategic bombers in the next decade.

Pogosyan said Thursday that the preliminary tests of the modernized Tu-160 and Tu-95 bombers have been completed and they will now undergo a series of inspections by a state acceptance commission.

He did not specify the number of modernized aircraft to be inspected.

According to aircraft industry officials, the modernized bombers feature new weaponry, improved electronics and avionics that double their combat effectiveness.

Russia Speeds Up Development of New Strategic Bomber | Defense | RIA Novosti