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I hope it will not turn out like rest of India where dharmiks are pacifying and don’t have street or hard power while desert cult have free rein. Metei must have some kind of street power and hard power to resist desert cults though they must not support separatism.
Armed forces will now have one less problem to deal with, which is good. All the anti-insurgency heat in the region will now be focused on Cookie terrorism. Other than the blowout in Manipur this year, this government's record in NE has been flawless. Just keep the faith.
 

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Ok.
Far more good strategy would have been to arming and supporting the dharmiks people and de-arming the Kuki who are bathing in desert cult right now but it seems our institutional Gandhism still drags our governments to do non-sense things and outright self goal of serving dharmiks on platter to desert cult.
Meities does have a violent history of separatist movements.

But now they are coming to their senses after the Kuki mayhem in their backyard.

Both communities have to be disarmed.
 

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Armed forces will now have one less problem to deal with, which is good. All the anti-insurgency heat in the region will now be focused on Cookie terrorism. Other than the blowout in Manipur this year, this government's record in NE has been flawless. Just keep the faith.
Most Kuki's don't want to separate as well, however there is lot of cross border narco smuggling and funding Chin rebels using that fund. India should offer Chin rebels to integrate into India in the Junta collapses, that will solve lot of problems.
 

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The Myanmarese ethnic minority armed organizations historically always pursued for autonomy or de facto independence in their conflicts with the military Junta.
They are not ethnic minorities. They are converted christians & muslims. None of the rebels are buddhist.
Aung San Suu Kyi government’s also failed miserably to incorporate ethnic minority voices during her brief tenure.
Aung San Suu Kyi was a western agent which should have been obvious by the way she was awarded Nobel prize. She pretended to have changed and formed a government only to use deception and create situation where her party would be the only dominant party through huge inflows of foreign funds, selective empowering of party agents and hijacking the election mechanism. So, Junta ousted her again.
China has also its own set of problems to deal with.

Infact instability along their border is a problem for the Chinese also. There is also a high chance of refugees crossing into China's Yunnan province.

And also Chinese nationals have been killed in the recent clashes when military Junta's artillery shell struck the Chinese side of the border.
China does not like the rebels as it sees them as Western agents and hence supports Junta. The Myanmar border with Bangladesh, Thailand, Laos and even the free movement zone with India are hotbeds of intelligence agencies of west & BD hostile to Myanmar.

Ok.
Far more good strategy would have been to arming and supporting the dharmiks people and de-arming the Kuki who are bathing in desert cult right now but it seems our institutional Gandhism still drags our governments to do non-sense things and outright self goal of serving dharmiks on platter to desert cult.
There are many Meitei, Bodo and other so called ethnic groups which are funded by foreign intelligence. Bangladesh is the key culprit that hosts all these groups and channels western supplies to them in addition to providing its own supplies.
 

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Most Kuki's don't want to separate as well, however there is lot of cross border narco smuggling and funding Chin rebels using that fund. India should offer Chin rebels to integrate into India in the Junta collapses, that will solve lot of problems.
The difference between Kuki and Meitei rebels lies in the fact that Meitei groups are demanding a separate Conmunist state, while Kuki militants want a Christian theocratic one. So Meitei rebels could be reasoned with if talks are accompanied with economic development and greater integration of the valley with the rest of the country. The Kuki step-down is just a temporary compromise in their eyes, till such time that they don't find themselves in a favorable enough position to fight for independence.

Yes, the goal should be to absorb all the smaller neighboring states ( other than populous Muslim ones) into india in the long run.
 

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The difference between Kuki and Meitei rebels lies in the fact that Meitei groups demand a separate Conmunist state, while Kuki militants want a Christian theocratic one. So Meitei rebels can be reasoned with if talks are accompanied by economic development and greater integration with the rest of the country. The Kuki step-down is just a temporary compromise in their eyes, till such time that they don't find themselves in a favorable enough position to fight for independence.

Yes, the goal should be to absorb all the smaller neighboring states ( other than populous Muslim ones) into india in the long run.
Kuki rebels want a pan kuki-zo-chin state, consisting of mizoram, kuki areas in manipur, chin state and kuki areas in Chittagong hill tracts of Bangladesh. They say their biggest issue is all their families have split up due to arbitary border creation of Brits, since before that all were part of same British India.

So, who says these ethnicity cannot be reunited as states under union of India.
 

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Kuki rebels want a pan kuki-zo-chin state, consisting of mizoram, kuki areas in manipur, chin state and kuki areas in Chittagong hill tracts of Bangladesh. They say their biggest issue is all their families have split up due to arbitary border creation of Brits, since before that all were part of same British India.

So, who says these ethnicity cannot be reunited as states under union of India.
Why would we want to subsidize another state or super state in this case with a rabid Christian tribe populating it in the NE? Don't we have enough on our plate already? Any understanding with these Christian tribes is tactical to say the least.


Our long term goals ought to be synchronizing our relationship with the majority ethnic Bmars. We share common goals & aims. By & large we have common problems & face common foes in those parts. RN the Tatmadaw has complicated issues. Their fall & consequently that of the state is not in our interest at all.
 

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The fact that we still have these blockades on the Imphal valley by these kookies is a major failure.

Total lack of control of the Indian state.
 

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Kuki rebels want a pan kuki-zo-chin state, consisting of mizoram, kuki areas in manipur, chin state and kuki areas in Chittagong hill tracts of Bangladesh. They say their biggest issue is all their families have split up due to arbitary border creation of Brits, since before that all were part of same British India.

So, who says these ethnicity cannot be reunited as states under union of India.
Those militant groups want something akin to a Christian Pakistan, and their modus operandi is similar to that Islamic terrorists (Al taqiya included). Past experience has shown how giving them an inch is a mistake. Case in point, Naga incursions into neighboring states, ethnic cleansing of the Brus in Mizoram and Mizoram importing tens of thousands of their brethren from Myanmar. Also, the territorial integrity of Manipur has to be non-negotiable.
 

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The fact that we still have these blockades on the Imphal valley by these kookies is a major failure.

Total lack of control of the Indian state.
This is why diversification of supply routes is vital for Manipur i.e: railway.
 

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They are not ethnic minorities. They are converted christians & muslims.
Here I meant Minorities (in this case Christian) with Chin, Kachin, Karen ethnicities, etc, being the rebels.

Aung San Suu Kyi was a western agent which should have been obvious by the way she was awarded Nobel prize. She pretended to have changed and formed a government only to use deception and create situation where her party would be the only dominant party through huge inflows of foreign funds, selective empowering of party agents and hijacking the election mechanism. So, Junta ousted her again
It's always been the case in Myanmar. Military Junta ruled Myanmar since most part of its existence after the independence.

Total Democracy will never be possible in Myanmar.

Aung San Syu Kyi is herself the daughter of legendary Aung San, also known as 'Father of the Nation', 'Father of Tatmadaw' and still revered in the country both by civilians and Junta.

China does not like the rebels as it sees them as Western agents and hence supports Junta.
China does things ambiguosly, it appears to support Junta but in the background it also supports rebel forces like the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army who are ethnically Kokang Chinese.

China has historically supported the ethnic armed organizations in its borders and armed them through the United Wa State Army.

During the 2021 coup China adopted a pragmatic approach. It engaged the Junta publicly but kept its distance and hence maintaining ties to the ousted National League for Democracy party as well as friendly ethnic armed organizations along the border.

So China’s turn towards the Junta has proven a poor bet.
Considered together, the Myanmar's military Junta is now more vulnerable than at any time in the past half century.
 

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t's always been the case in Myanmar. Military Junta ruled Myanmar since most part of its existence after the independence.

Total Democracy will never be possible in Myanmar.

Aung San Syu Kyi is herself the daughter of legendary Aung San, also known as 'Father of the Nation', 'Father of Tatmadaw' and still revered in the country both by civilians and Junta.
Aung San was father of the nation just like Gandhi is father of India. Aung San pretended to be on japanese side but immediately switched sides to aid the British when Japanese became weak. There is no clear idea of his actual allegiance as he was murdered before Burma gained independence. Calling him as father of the nation is just a British ploy to legitimise his daughter.

China does things ambiguosly, it appears to support Junta but in the background it also supports rebel forces like the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army who are ethnically Kokang Chinese.

China has historically supported the ethnic armed organizations in its borders and armed them through the United Wa State Army.

During the 2021 coup China adopted a pragmatic approach. It engaged the Junta publicly but kept its distance and hence maintaining ties to the ousted National League for Democracy party as well as friendly ethnic armed organizations along the border.

So China’s turn towards the Junta has proven a poor bet.
Considered together, the Myanmar's military Junta is now more vulnerable than at any time in the past half century.
China supports everyone who is not Abrahamic. China strongly opposes Abrahamics and calls Abrahamic religions as reactionary (which is true as every Abrahamic religion's main aim is to eliminate Pagans & hence can be considered as reaction to Pagans). China wants to secure its border and hence arms chinese ethnic groups to help them prevent christians and muslims from Myanmar wreaking havoc. Nevertheless, China has never supported any group fighting against Myanmar army.
 

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Aung San was father of the nation just like Gandhi is father of India. Calling him as father of the nation is just a British ploy to legitimise his daughter.
It is not me calling him the 'father of nation'. It is widely considered.

China wants to secure its border and hence arms chinese ethnic groups to help them prevent christians and muslims from Myanmar.
China is not friend to anyone in Myanmar (Junta or Rebels). It's relationship is transactional and strategic in nature. It will play both sides.


Now you can stop here. Don't stretch discussions unnecessarily.
 

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It is not me calling him the 'father of nation'. It is widely considered.
Even Gandhi is widely called father of the nation. But we all know the reality. Burma was under British control & many were British plants within the media & other setups.
His daughter, Aung San Suu Kyi is not good for India as she is in deep cahoots with the missionaries & jihadis. She is a threat to Indian security in NE, very similar to India's Nehru-Gandhi family
 

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The fact that we still have these blockades on the Imphal valley by these kookies is a major failure.

Total lack of control of the Indian state.
The reason for this is they reside in the hills and can blackmail the government which stays in the valley by doing an economic blockade, but there is a catch, Christmas is getting nearer and if they block the highway then the valley will block their biggest Cookies town Churachanpur which have to go via Imphal. The state wanted to raise a highway protection force to control these maniacs, but, in the long run with the coming of goods trains it will subside and if they block goods train better luck dealing with central forces.
 

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They haven't revealed the identity yet but it is in almost all certainty is Meitei, also no guns were found most likely they were kidnapped and executed. If this statement comes out to be true then the violence might erupt and insurgent groups might start targeting Kuki at massive scales.
 

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They haven't revealed the identity yet but it is in almost all certainty is Meitei, also no guns were found most likely they were kidnapped and executed. If this statement comes out to be true then the violence might erupt and insurgent groups might start targeting Kuki at massive scales.
If people were kidnapped, there would not be a gun fight but just executions. The fact that there was a gun fight & ambush may mean something else. Also, the village is located deep in the hilly areas where Meiteis don't live. Either Meiteis were going there on some work and were killed or it was clash between Kuki groups
 

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