Nirbhay Cruise Missile Development

[Shashank Nayak]

The last 2 tests were successful . This one again a failure.. So, 4 failures and 3 successes.. Quite a poor record..

 

[Shashank Nayak]

there is a whole lot of difference between 8 mins and a few seconds..

Anyways law of averages was bound to catch up, after the string of successes over the past month.

On the bright side, atleast the Manik engine moved ahead in it’s testing phase.

Why would they use an engine which had not cleared ground trials..? So, this new missile tested today also has a seeker, along wkith an indigenous engine ?

 

[ezsasa]

Why would they use an engine which had not cleared ground trials..? So, this new missile tested today also has a seeker, along wkith an indigenous engine ?

No point speculating, ITCM project is bound to be successful some day. Hopefully sooner than later.

 

[ezsasa]

Here’s a silly idea..

DRDO can create a rig to carry a nirbhay in a C-130, without the Manik engine, with provide auxiliary power to support the other sub-systems, add diagnostic equipment to the rig itself, calibrate the missile to the speed of C-130, and follow the trajectory.

Check real-time where the calculations are going wrong on the sub-systems.

 

[johnq]

I would suggest just churning out lots more Nirbhay missiles with the Russian engine (the previous version with the Russian engine was a successful test) for now. Indian military could really use these missiles against China right now, especially if they can make an air-launched version 1000 km Nirbhay missile. In the meantime they can continue working on the Manik engine to sort its problems out.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Someone tell this paki that, the only reason his country developed or have the technology develop Cruise missile was due to the failed trajectory of the tomahawk missile with the US fired against taliban positions in Afghanistan! Their own Ex-Pm shariff acknowledged that he literally sent his troops to balochistan to collect the undetonated missile and re-engineer it to make even more substandard missile named babur,there is nothing indegenous technology that has being used.
Not to mention tomahawk itself has higher RCS, which is not stealthy at all, let alone madrassa manufactured baboor!! pakis are a bunch of cope

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Someone tell this paki that, the only reason his country developed or have the technology develop Cruise missile was due to the failed trajectory of the tomahawk missile with the US fired against taliban positions in Afghanistan! Their own Ex-Pm shariff acknowledged that he literally sent his troops to balochistan to collect the undetonated missile and re-engineer it to make even more substandard missile named babur,there is nothing indegenous technology that has being used.
Not to mention tomahawk itself has higher RCS, which is not stealthy at all, let alone madrassa manufactured baboor!! pakis are a bunch of cope

Pakistan can be ignored.. But this slow pace of development of Nirbhay / ITCM wont do.. Time to buckle up..

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Pakistan can be ignored.. But this slow pace of development of Nirbhay / ITCM wont do.. Time to buckle up..

Just give it another 3 months, its gonna be successfully tested

 

[Poseidon]

Just give it another 3 months, its gonna be successfully tested

Early 2021??

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Here’s a silly idea..

DRDO can create a rig to carry a nirbhay in a C-130, without the Manik engine, with provide auxiliary power to support the other sub-systems, add diagnostic equipment to the rig itself, calibrate the missile to the speed of C-130, and follow the trajectory.

Check real-time where the calculations are going wrong on the sub-systems.

What you are talking about - Hardware-in-loop tests - can be done but only required if the problem is with the control system itself. But since the missile went strong for 8 minutes before Mission Abort, I would guess it was due to some component failure, probably in the Engine itself. So right now, they will likely do a hard re-look of the entire engine. They will have to re-examine their Accelerated Life Testing model (since the problem was most likely the reliability of the engine). The new testing model should ensure that no failures of the engine components occurs again. There has to be a flaw in the previous ALT model or the fault would have revealed itself in the ground test. And this is just one of the many things they will look into. No wonder it will take at least 6 months before another test.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Did we order a good number of Russian turbofan engines so that we build Nirbhay numbers while we test the indigenous engine in parallel?

 

[utubekhiladi]

I would suggest just churning out lots more Nirbhay missiles with the Russian engine (the previous version with the Russian engine was a successful test) for now. Indian military could really use these missiles against China right now, especially if they can make an air-launched version 1000 km Nirbhay missile. In the meantime they can continue working on the Manik engine to sort its problems out.

russian are not going to give more engines due to chinese pressure. or atleast untill there is a stand off with china

 

[ceaserndka]

russian are not going to give more engines due to chinese pressure. or atleast untill there is a stand off with china

Then we must go for American options for engine alone.. May be we can contact to get the engine used in tomohawks, for time being.

 

[airtel]

Then we must go for American options for engine alone.. May be we can contact to get the engine used in tomohawks, for time being.

Or maybe we should rectify the deficiencies in manik engine itself ?

 

[utubekhiladi]

Then we must go for American options for engine alone.. May be we can contact to get the engine used in tomohawks, for time being.

why don't we take some failures and develop our own

 

[ceaserndka]

why don't we take some failures and develop our own

Enemy is at door step. we must arm ourselvs first with some options fast,,, parallely work on own engine

 

[utubekhiladi]

Enemy is at door step. we must arm ourselvs first with some options fast,,, parallely work on own engine

We have other missiles in standby to fight enemy.

The manik engine once matured have tons of potential to power other missiles, uavs, loitering sucide drone etc. the application is endless.

So it's important to have such home made engine.

 

[ceaserndka]

We have other missiles in standby to fight enemy.

The manik engine once matured have tons of potential to power other missiles, uavs, loitering sucide drone etc. the application is endless.

So it's important to have such home made engine.

was wondering the small engine which can fly 30-45 mins, used in Abhyas, can't that platform be developed to an alternative loitering missile (subsonic) i mean...as a parallel to manik engine

 

[airtel]

when the requirement of this missile is huge these scums are failing to develop this since 10 yrs. I believe that this project is getting sabotaged.

My guess would be the engine , but now it is becoming frustratating to see this happen everytime ..

Wrong information .
The baseline nirbhay missile is already deployed and it uses Russian turbojet engine and range is less than 1000 km while in the latest test Indian turbofan engine was used , turbofan engines are much more efficient which increases it's range to 1500 km , it is almost a new missile , and it was the first test of this missile .

 

[ezsasa]

was wondering the small engine which can fly 30-45 mins, used in Abhyas, can't that platform be developed to an alternative loitering missile (subsonic) i mean...as a parallel to manik engine

IA or IAF have to ask for such a missile first, anyways the list of current developmental projects are already listed, if such a requirement is not on the list, it won't happen in medium term.