Maybe in WVR if somehow Su57 managed to get sneak up to VR of F35 but in all probability, it will get toasted beforehand by F35. F35 will detect first and shoot first, assuming vatniks ever actually produce enough of Su57. I will not even bother with F22.
RCS of F35 in public domain : 0.0015sqm
RCS of Su57 : 0.1 to 1m2? (proly even J20 has better stealth than this)
EW Suite of F35 is way better, one of the best selling points of F35 was that it's like a flying hacker as they put it.
RCS of F22 is around 0.00015 sqm, public domain.
You do know that those F-22 and F-35 figures are purely fictional Internet numbers right? Bollywood actors are more real then that folklore figures you believe
Let’s use some critical thinking skills. Even if those RCS figures would somehow be real it would be
frontal RCS only. Take an F-22 RCS from the top and it would likely be 25+sqm. The side, rear and other aspects would also be much higher then those internet folklore figures. For instance based off basic science engine compressors create lots of returns; moreover various corners reflectors from vertical stabilizers/horizontal junction and or fuselage/wing junction will increase radar. What frequency and range are we also talking?
There is an old Sukhoi patent (very old) where the prototype was stated to have 0.1-1msq RCS. This sounds like an average. Even though aircraft like the F-22 definitely have a smaller RCS then the SU-57 if Sukhoi came out and gave only a frontal RCS figure and Lockheed would give an average RCS, then on paper the SU-57 would have a smaller RCS, that is almost certain.
By the way this new Sukhoi aircraft probably has a lower RCS then the F-22, at least from the side and rear it should definitely be smaller based on the fact that it got rid of horizontal stabilizers (those contribute to RCS. It also has a single round nozzle instead of the two nozzles found on the F-22 that have large gaps, 90 degree corners screws, actuators and discontinuities.
Kek sure, so far only 12 of these have been built. It shows either the plane was never ready or russia didn't have enough deep pocket to operate or buy more of these. Both can be true too.
And those 12 include the prototypes. Which should not even count. Did you expect Russia to mass produce an aircraft that was still not in the final design stage? It’s like arguing the US had few F-35s in 2005. What is the point of mass producing an aircraft when in a few years some of the technology will be obsolete compared to the stage 2 aircraft?
The engines are still not even ready, the SU-57 will not be mass produced until the engines are ready. The first serial airframe is basically used for training and familiarization, 2023 is when we will see decent numbers.
Also, the orders are allegedly from the Russian defense. It's pretty sad considering how it was touted to be the competitor of F35 and even better than it.
These are stats for F35 btw :
This is ignorance, you know Russia produced well over a thousand aircraft in the past decade correct? Anyhow the F-35 dates back to the late 1980s with the JSF and the X-35. The F-35 first flew in 2006, while the SU-57 prototype only flew in 2009. The F-35 had a 20+ year start and is in partnership with many nations with many factories. It’s a great aircraft by the way, I always appreciated the F-35.
With that said, I’m sure if Russia spent 400 billion on the SU-57 program and set up dozens of factories (which may not even be included in that cost) it too can have hundreds of SU-57s)
You seem to think these airplanes fall out of the sky overnight. It takes decades of development and then billions to set up factories. The F-35 has a 20+ advantage and astronomical costs in its development.
Under the United Aircraft Corporation Russia produced about 600 fixes wing aircraft and around 300 rotary aircraft since 2010. Not counting foreign exports.
....so Russia has the ability to produce in large numbers.
And why are you comparing GE404 or GE414 with F135? I meant average life expectancy and reliability is way better in the case of American engines, 6500 hrs vs 4000 hrs of RD93 for example.
I am very familiar with those figures and although I very much believe American engines have higher life cycle expectancy. No one states how they get those figures. Longer afterburner times reduces an engines life, so how do they calculate those hours? Another problem is US airfields/runways are in clean pristine conditions while Russian airfields are generally in poor conditions, with loose dirt, sometimes rocks, puddles, weeds and so fourth so any reasonable person can assume Russian engines will be more abused and prone to more frequent maintenance while US engines are pampered. The weather conditions and lack of hangers in Russia will generally mean more maintenance.
Russians have fallen behind the Americans in terms of engine tech long ago. Don't try to misinterpret my points mate.
You can throw around words like misinterpret and blindly throw out manufacturers claims but it means nothing if you have no base line. It would be interesting to see those GE404 engines operate in Siberian winters, with no hangover while regularly ingesting debris...I doubt those engines will last 5,000 hours
In any case I was originally talking about item 30 and how it is simply a better engine then the GE404 can ever be....why? For reasons i already stated like far superior thrust, less moving parts, which equals less maintenance, better efficiency and lighter weight compared to the previous generation. Now factor in that Russia has been building more hangers and taking better care of its runways so service life should increase there too.
Kek living in past to cope as always, USA imported lots of german engineers after WW2, so did USSR and so on but those things don't matter because USA was able to deliver and had money to invest and improve upon, same can't be said for Russia which has been seeing crumbling economy.
Is this supposed to be some kind of insult? You are just changing the subject and insulting.
, i have no interest in reading the recycled points, point still stands that Russia has only 12 of these with no actual proof that these even will work against F35 while F35 has been bombing over syria, flying over iran,evading S300 since years.
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