New DRDO projects

[Chinmoy]

What happened to Ashwin (AAD based)??

Problem is, as far as BMD or even ASAT is concerned, maneuverability is not big an issue like that in case of a SAM. A REV or a Satellite does have velocity, but not the level of maneuverability of a fighter.

So now what is the maneuverability level of AAD? So a AAD based SAM is noble idea, but IMO it would better to have a two staged one. The first stage derived from AAD. SFDR on 2nd stage would be an added lethal factor to it.

Long back I have written a mail to someone on the aspect of modifying Shaurya into a SAM.
@patriots

 

[porky_kicker]

More snap shots of the Nirbhay AL-01 air launched prototype with the extended dorsal air intake

Even without the booster the length seems to be shorter

 

[porky_kicker]

Shot of in-flight Nirbhay LRCM during the recent testfire from a SU30 MKI in tail chase.

 

[aarav]

Shot of in-flight Nirbhay LRCM during the recent testfire from a SU30 MKI in tail chase.

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DRDO should release the footage of Nirbhay from the Chase Aircraft Flanker,it would be legend(wait for it)dary

 

[Arihant Roy]

This news design is completely different from Nirbhay .

Fixed external air intakes , tomahawk style wing setting , smaller length .

Yes. Not completely different but it's different. It is a new missile. Drdo must have recycled most of the systems and components of Nirbhay in this missile. Ii is going to have a 500-750 km class range. If an indigenous turbo fan is used, the range will increase.

Drdo can experiment with the idea of conformal fuel tanks on missiles like Raduga did with Kh-55.

The wings are mounted mid body Tomahawk's wings are almost shoulder mounted. The wings aren't exactly mid body in Tomahawk.

And yes the length is less. This missile has been designed ground up to be light and air launched. Tejas will be able to carry two of them.

Nirbhay had wings at the bottom of the fuselage.

The missile is smaller in length by more than a metre.

Why isn't ADE designing a stealthy air launched cruise missile on the lines of AGM-158 and Kh-101. Both these missiles have a sloping faceted fuselage and a pronounced chin like on SR-71.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Problem is, as far as BMD or even ASAT is concerned, maneuverability is not big an issue like that in case of a SAM. A REV or a Satellite does have velocity, but not the level of maneuverability of a fighter.

So now what is the maneuverability level of AAD? So a AAD based SAM is noble idea, but IMO it would better to have a two staged one. The first stage derived from AAD. SFDR on 2nd stage would be an added lethal factor to it.

Long back I have written a mail to someone on the aspect of modifying Shaurya into a SAM.
@patriots

You don't need to put in so much effort. Just add a fat 21 inch booster to the Barak-8 and you will have a 150+ km missile.

And we will be having the very first test of Xrsam this year. It's a repackaged AAD .


Between, Barak-8 can be used as a long range BVRAAM without any mechanical or electrical mods. Yes some software tweaking will be required but that's about it. IAF will then get an ultra long range aam at a cheap price and within a reasonable time frame.

Some carriage tests will be required to test out the missile aircraft stability in flight, the separation characteristics and it's over. Yes, electrical and mech changes in the form of suitable pylons and electronic interface would be required.

We have the source code of Bars. We have source code of the solid state active seeker of Lrsam. We can mate these two. And Lrsam as an aam on Tejas mk1A will be even more viable since even the radar is an Israeli one.
IAF and Drdo should explore this idea. It's a low hanging fruit that needs to be plucked.

 

[darshan978]

Yes there's a new cruise missile visible in the background in that Tarmak video.

It's a variant of Nirbhay most probably. It has an extended dorsal air intake.
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But in its present configuration, the intake will be a RCS Hotspot. Besides, Nirbhay in itself is an unstealthy design. It's a pedestrian design which will be produced in the hundreds. It's a Toyota Camry and not a Beemer M5.

Nirbhay -AL-01 MEANS NIRBHAY AIR LAUNCHED-01?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

If XRSAM is a repackaged AAD missile then what is its likely range?

 

[abingdonboy]

More snap shots of the Nirbhay AL-01 air launched prototype with the extended dorsal air intake

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Even without the booster the length seems to be shorter

India’s time has come boys.

Don’t let any politicians or even armed forces members convince you otherwise. Don’t look the other way if they fail to recognise this and start pursuing ultra expensive imported systems.

I genuinely believe that there there is not any tech that is beyond India’s grasp now. Give the scientists approvals and sufficient budget and they will deliver.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

If XRSAM is a repackaged AAD missile then what is its likely range?

250 kilometers?
It was supposed to be Indian equivalent of S-300 and HQ-9.

 

[sayareakd]

India’s time has come boys.

Don’t let any politicians or even armed forces members convince you otherwise. Don’t look the other way if they fail to recognise this and start pursuing ultra expensive imported systems.

I genuinely believe that there there is not any tech that is beyond India’s grasp now. Give the scientists approvals and sufficient budget and they will deliver.

May i just add to this.

We have to believe in our self and make weapons based on our requirements. All local guys should conceive, design and build our own weapons, go for cutting edge. We can do it. We have already broken 6th country syndrome. Now its time to be first one.
Go play with big boys. We can do it. Just believe in your self. We now have resources, brains and capabilities to do it. We have chair at high table. ASAT and Mars mission proved it. Now make Hypersonic weapons and continue with BMD tests. Be a world leader.

 

[patriots]

Indians are slow in decision making....
Why we are not developing uttam aesa for
Mig29 and su 30.....

If we will wait till uttam aesa with mk2 be successful then it will be too late

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Uttam aesa design is high modular , scalable and upgradable. Hence it can be fitted into su30mki as well as mig29 if requirements arose from iaf. However permission from OEM has to be taken which in this case is the russians. There is no guarantee that they will cooperate

 

[patriots]

Uttam aesa design is high modular , scalable and upgradable. Hence it can be fitted into su30mki as well as mig29 if requirements arose from iaf. However permission from OEM has to be taken which in this case is the russians. There is no guarantee that they will cooperate

In case of su 30. They will I think....
When they are agree to integrate. Meteor...

Though the oem of meteor denied

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Best option is to go for local copies of su30 similar to what chinese are doing with their j11 and j15 and upgrade with available local technology. We have paid the Russians already enough and it's high time the airframe and the engine is fully indegenized. This gives us the opportunity to fit our own equipment in our lead aircraft without running to the russians everytime like the super sukhoi upgrade which is stalled for a long time as Russians are asking a lot of money. There is a need for at least 300 such aircrafts in the coming decade till amca arrives in the scene.

 

[sayareakd]

Best option is to go for local copies of su30 similar to what chinese are doing with their j11 and j15 and upgrade with available local technology. We have paid the Russians already enough and it's high time the airframe and the engine is fully indegenized. This gives us the opportunity to fit our own equipment in our lead aircraft without running to the russians everytime like the super sukhoi upgrade which is stalled for a long time as Russians are asking a lot of money. There is a need for at least 300 such aircrafts in the coming decade till amca arrives in the scene.

Not copies, we have to go to next stage, make improvements, manage its RCS, use confirnal fuel tanks, improve upon its perforces etc. Now is time to move forward, improve and go to next stage. Use 3D printing and reduce weight, improve engine performance.
Get infrastructure for certification.

 

[Chinmoy]

You don't need to put in so much effort. Just add a fat 21 inch booster to the Barak-8 and you will have a 150+ km missile.

And we will be having the very first test of Xrsam this year. It's a repackaged AAD .

A modified AAD is the correct term then a repackaged one IMO. Same goes with Barak-8. Already BARAK-8 ER is reaching upto range of 120KM+ is reports are to believe and increasing the overall mass and length for another couple of 10 Kms would not be a idea IA or IAF would entertain I believe. Because this would result in modification of the launch platform too.

Between, Barak-8 can be used as a long range BVRAAM without any mechanical or electrical mods. Yes some software tweaking will be required but that's about it. IAF will then get an ultra long range aam at a cheap price and within a reasonable time frame.

Some carriage tests will be required to test out the missile aircraft stability in flight, the separation characteristics and it's over. Yes, electrical and mech changes in the form of suitable pylons and electronic interface would be required.

We have the source code of Bars. We have source code of the solid state active seeker of Lrsam. We can mate these two. And Lrsam as an aam on Tejas mk1A will be even more viable since even the radar is an Israeli one.
IAF and Drdo should explore this idea. It's a low hanging fruit that needs to be plucked.

Hmm........... Now I wonder whether IAF would go for a 220 kg BVRAAM. The heaviest AAM used by IAF is R-77 at 175 kg. Now I wonder what level of modification BARAK-8 integration would require and how economically viable IAF would regard it, that too as stop gap.

 

[Chinmoy]

Uttam aesa design is high modular , scalable and upgradable. Hence it can be fitted into su30mki as well as mig29 if requirements arose from iaf. However permission from OEM has to be taken which in this case is the russians. There is no guarantee that they will cooperate

DRDO already operate MKI for test purpose so they could utilize it for UTTAM. Mig-29 is another case where being a license production, we would have to cough up few bucks to integrate different instrument which is not a part of the original design.

 

[sayareakd]

We need to have different teams to shift focus to anti cruise missile, anti rockets, anti artillery shells and anti tank weapons tech. At the same time being in more young people in BMD teams to work on midcourse MKVs.
We have to raise the bar higher. Lets complete with China, Pakistan will be taken care automatically.

 

[abingdonboy]

Uttam aesa design is high modular , scalable and upgradable. Hence it can be fitted into su30mki as well as mig29 if requirements arose from iaf. However permission from OEM has to be taken which in this case is the russians. There is no guarantee that they will cooperate

Not worth it for MIg-29 and the Russians wouldn’t allow it for MKI, they want to milk the MLU of SU-30 for all it is worth knowing India is slowly moving away from Russian equipment. They won’t let the business of upgrading 300+ MKIs at extortionate rates be missed