New Assault Rifles for Indian Army

[WolfPack86]

Some sources are saying that IWI TAVOR 7 is our new ( 7.62*51mm ) Rifle 93000 will be made at IWI-Punj Lloyd Plant in Madhya Pradesh Wait for ( 5.56*45 mm ) Carbine winner & official confirmation

 

[binayak95]

The three possible finalists are
Tavor 7 (IWI+ Punj Llyod : Israel)
Car 817 (Caracel +Thales + MKU : UAE )
K2-C2 (S&T Motiv + Reliance : RoK )

I dont think its the TAvor 7, it is the Galil ACE for the rifle and the X95 in 5.56 for the carbines. But either way, good development. Hope to see Israeli guns across all roles in our infantry battalions soon.

 

[Enquirer]

I dont think its the TAvor 7, it is the Galil ACE for the rifle and the X95 in 5.56 for the carbines. But either way, good development. Hope to see Israeli guns across all roles in our infantry battalions soon.

Better to buy Israeli guns!!
It would be such a shame to buy defence tech from UAE !!!

 

[rkhanna]

Sad. Was hoping the LWT offering would win

 

[Chinmoy]

The three possible finalists are
Tavor 7 (IWI+ Punj Llyod : Israel)
Car 817 (Caracel +Thales + MKU : UAE )
K2-C2 (S&T Motiv + Reliance : RoK )

Seeing the present scenario, it seems like TAR 21 in CQB carbine role. Would have to see for AR.

 

[Chinmoy]

I dont think its the TAvor 7, it is the Galil ACE for the rifle and the X95 in 5.56 for the carbines. But either way, good development. Hope to see Israeli guns across all roles in our infantry battalions soon.

IMI is not there among the shortlisted list. So Galil is not there among the fore runners it seems.

 

[WolfPack86]

Some sources are saying that IWI TAVOR 7 is our new ( 7.62*51mm ) Rifle 72400 will made at IWI-Punj Lloyd Plant in Madhya Pradesh Wait for 93859 (5.56*45mm) Carbines winner & official confirmation Reposting after some corrections.

 

[WolfPack86]

I like private and public defence companies combo it is most smartest idea. I wish Indian Army choose INSAS MK 1C for non-infantry soldiers.

 

[Hari Sud]

Tavor is not the choice from Israel. Galil Ace 7.62x51 is the Choice. Tavor will stay as carbine.

Technically Caracal is preferred because it has American technology in it.

Worst case scenario is Dawoo.

Galil is westernized AK-47 with no technological improvements over AK. Moreover, it is perfected to fire 7.62x39 round. It has been adapted to 51 mm round but not used extensively. A drawback.

It matters, who will full technology transfer and no restriction on future exports.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Punj Lloyd is bankrupt. It cannot even make the label

 

[Kay]

This thread is so depressing. The effect of which rifle is being used in modern warfare is same as which brand of pen is being used to write an exam. - Yet our army is hell bent on importing this as well.

 

[Enquirer]

This thread is so depressing. The effect of which rifle is being used in modern warfare is same as which brand of pen is being used to write an exam. - Yet our army is hell bent on importing this as well.

That's the most brain dead comment I've seen in recent times. Your use of (incorrect) metaphor is pathetic.

 

[devhensh]

This thread is so depressing. The effect of which rifle is being used in modern warfare is same as which brand of pen is being used to write an exam. - Yet our army is hell bent on importing this as well.

If one's pen stop's working during an exam, one doesn't die...But if a unreliable rifle stops working during a gunbattle, the soldier can die......so the above comparison is meaningless.....

Reliability is the most important evaluation criterion of a Service rifle....imported or domestic, doesn't matter....I have always said, there should be comparison trials between the domestic and international brands and let the best rifle win.......

 

[Enquirer]

If one's pen stop's working during an exam, one doesn't die...But if a unreliable rifle stops working during a gunbattle, the soldier can die......so the above comparison is meaningless.....

Reliability is the most important evaluation criterion of a Service rifle....imported or domestic, doesn't matter....I have always said, there should be comparison trials between the domestic and international brands and let the best rifle win.......

The fact that you need to spell something so obvious to some members speaks volumes on the quality of posts!

That dude was confusing war with rifle shooting competitions !!

 

[Vinod DX9]

If IMI isn't shortlisted, then Galil ACE 52 isn't coming. Another reason why it is not selected, OFB R2 is on par with ACE 52. So they decided to select least contriversials.
Now,question is, Can we procure so huge no of Tavor 7? Can we bear the huge cost?

 

[Enquirer]

If the rifles are imported, then it better be a bull-pup rifle - otherwise it makes very little sense!!!

 

[Raj Malhotra]

The criticism of indigenous Rifles is to create a pretext for import of super costly foreign Rifles There is no major difference in the performance of foreign Rifles and Indigenous Rifles
Anyone can go on the net and see that most of the imported or proposed imported rifle also suffered the same problems attributed to the indigenous Rifles
The only important feature of the foreign rifle is that it is 10 times more costly than an indigenous rifle
further the intent is to import the foreign rifle along with certain unspecified sights and scopes which would mean that the deal would be worth almost rupees 10000 crore for the Rifles, ammu, production plant, spares, along with sights and scopes etc
So the import of around one lakh rifles would be equalent to the indigenous manufacture of 5 million Rifles
no wonder all the import dalals and corrupt journalist are pushing for imports
Most of the posters here are Patriots and Nationalists therefore it is our duty to look through paper propaganda and try to find the real facts

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Just to add, ACE is basically same design as INSAS and is not even in extensive use in Israel
TAVOR is made of plastics/composites which have failed in Rifles all over the world
If any genuine comparative trials are carried out between foreign Rifles and Indian Rifles then foreign Rifles will fail compared to Indian Rifles

Whenever, foreign Rifles are trialed in India they have failed the tests

the only way to import foreign Rifles has been to ignore that tests and give ad hoc orders without comparative trials

but now desperation and greed is growing therefore new rules and excuses have been created for a mass Import of at least 100000 Rifles without any transparent GSQR or tests

 

[devhensh]

If IMI isn't shortlisted, then Galil ACE 52 isn't coming. Another reason why it is not selected, OFB R2 is on par with ACE 52. So they decided to select least contriversials.
Now,question is, Can we procure so huge no of Tavor 7? Can we bear the huge cost?

I am confused ....where is all this info coming from.....as far as i know both Tavor 7 and Galil Ace (also Negev series, Uzi and Galil Sniper) all come from a single company called IWI and not IMI (https://iwi.net/), which has collaberation with Punj (they have a manufacturing facility in MP ).....

In 2005, Israel Military Industries sold its Magen division (Small Arms Division) to Israeli privately owned holding company SK Group and renamed Israel Weapon Industries.

 

[rkhanna]

Whenever, foreign Rifles are trialed in India they have failed the tests

Every rifle in the world will ALWAYS fail the tests. (Small Arms tests are designed to test for Fatigue Failure). Its the degree of failure / under what conditions that is important.

Secondly "Testing For Failure" is roughly 60% of GQSR? You have other things like production quality, Weight, Modularity, Barrell lenght for Specific ammo - etc etc etc

TAVOR is made of plastics/composites which have failed in Rifles all over the world
If any genuine comparative trials are carried out between foreign Rifles and Indian Rifles then foreign Rifles will fail compared to Indian Rifles

The TAVOR is one of the most battle Hardened AR in India., Operational in Rajesthan, Kashmir, NE, Siachen and Arunachal. It is widely used by Israeli SOF and host of others - including LATAM where those forces are actively engaged. The TAR derivative SAR is the mainstay of the Singaporian Armed Forces.

Also Can you tell me a modern firearm that does NOT have Plastics and Composites?

Also - Can you share a link with me that shows Indian Rifles have cleared any tests? I know a whole bunch are in Testing and keep going back to Improvements.

The criticism of indigenous Rifles is to create a pretext for import of super costly foreign Rifles There is no major difference in the performance of foreign Rifles and Indigenous Rifles

Can you share public source links to the above? Because I happen to know people who have trialed OFB made Small Arms and their feedback is a bit different.