New Assault Rifles for Indian Army

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@pmaita The above rifle claimed to be DRDO designed Excalibur 5.56x45 mm is instead Heckler & Koach PSG1 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO
 

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Saiga mk-107 or ak-107 has almost no recoil...how about this rifle for for IA
 

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Saiga mk-107 or ak-107 has almost no recoil...how about this rifle for for IA
AK 107 is 5.45×39
I don't think it is what army requires .

But AK 108 is 5.56 NATO . which make some sense

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@pmaita The above rifle claimed to be DRDO designed Excalibur 5.56x45 mm is instead Heckler & Koach PSG1 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO
Its not claimed. It is used for just representation purpose only.
 

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IDN Take: The Excalibur Assault Rifle Awaiting Certifications Trials.
An indigenously produced 5.56mm Excalibur assault rifle, is awaiting user trials and final certification, even as the Army seems to be moving away to a bigger calibre rifle than what has been produced by Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) however an Army officials stated that it's user trials and the process for a new rifle would continue simultaneously.
Fifteen prototypes of Excalibur rifles are ready at Rifle Factory Ishapore for the user and Director General Quality Assurance (DGQA) evaluation and awaiting trial directive from the Infantry Directorate. The project was a joint effort of the OFB and Infantry Directorate.

“The Rifle Factory Ishapore has produced 15 prototypes with modifications based on user feedback on reliability, weight, length, compatibility with international sights, aesthetics etc. and has been evaluated by users at the Army's Infantry School at Mhow. Army has recently asked for a few additional features to be incorporated in the rifle. OFB has assured introduction of proposed balance four modifications in a time-bound manner,” OFB officials said.
Excalibur rifle is lighter, more compact and fully automatic capable. It is better than INSAS in both open field operations as well as close quarters. The gas-operated, fully automatic rifle has a foldable butt, Picatinny rail for mounting Holographic, telescopic & night sights, sensors and bipods.
One good thing about INSAS platform is that it works on a long stroke piston and has very simple chambering using only two locking lugs. Other very important is that it is dirt cheap. INSAS rifle performs well on a very large range of temperature -50 to 50 degree Celsius. Excalibur inherits these properties already. Many weapons of foreign origin like Beretta ARX 160, CZ-805 BREN, IMI Galil ACE, Colt M4 were unable to work efficiently over this range of temperature.
On 1st September 2015 Gen Singh, accompanied by Lieutenant General Sanjay Kulkarni, Director General Infantry (DGI), visited the Rifle Factory Ishapore. The Infantry Director General, put the prototype through the water and mud tests, in which the rifle is fired after being fully immersed. The Excalibur handily passed these tests, which all four foreign rifles - Beretta ARX 160, CZ-805 BREN, IMI Galil ACE, Colt M4 had failed to clear. The Excalibur rifle is operated by Assam rifles, the oldest paramilitary force in India.
“There are a large number of INSAS rifles which need replacement and repairs. They need to be maintained till the new process is completed. So Excalibur can be certified and used to replace the INSAS till the new rifles are procured,” a senior officer of the Army observed.

Once evaluation and final user trials of the rifle completes, it will be manufactured by the OFB in Rifle Factory Ishapore and could be in the hands of infantry soldiers within two years. The Rifle Factory Ishapore has a long history of developing and making rifles. During the World Wars, it manufactured many weapons starting from Lee Enfield Mk-1 to 7.62x51mm NATO L1A1 SLR and 7.62x51mm 1A1 rifle also famously known as the “Ishapore Rifle” after the 1962 Sino-Indian war was the mainstay of the Indian security forces for several decades. The factory manufactures many military and civilian weapons.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/08/idn-take-excalibur-assault-rifle-awaits.html
 

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hotchpotch article with spiced up agenda ..

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IDN Take: Multi Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS): A Weapon For Multipile Combat

ARDE developed Multi-Calibre Individual Weapon System (MCIWS) under the INSAS name
by Koustav K
India had fought several wars with Pakistan and so a lighter caliber like 5.56x45mm was decided to be more helpful during wars. But now, Army has to deal with terrorists in Kashmir and thus Army has to rely on AKM series of Assault rifles to deal with the insurgency in Kashmir since lighter calibers don’t yield much damage to the terrorists. So demand was felt to have an assault rifle that could support several calibers. Lighter caliber during conventional wars and Heavier caliber during Counter-Insurgency operations. It demanded a single assault rifle that can engage targets at various distances. fulfillfil this demand, OFB and ARDE developed Multi-Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS). Development of the MCIWS began in late 2012. The prototyping of the rifle began in 2013 and is to be handed over to the Army for trials after demonstrations.

Multi-Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS) being developed by the Armaments Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, is an indigenous assault rifle which will allow operators to alternatively fire 7.62x39mm, 5.56x45mm and 6.8x43 mm Remington rounds by changing the barrel group, breech block & magazine. The MCIWS is designed to change between 5.56x45 mm for targets at 400 meters, 7.62x39 mm for targets out to 300 meters, and 6.8x43 mm influenced by 6.8 mm Remington SPC designed to address the deficiencies of the terminal performance of the 5.56x45mm. MCIWS uses a gas operated rotating bolt short stroke piston design. The light weight modular design of MCIWS helps the soldier to strip and assemble the gun much more easily by removing a pin, also the rivet-less design helps it to work better in a combat environment.
The gun is made up of high grade aluminium alloy and is of superior finish. The 910mm in length (extended butt) and 3.4 kg empty magazine. Its effective range is 500 meters with a firing rate of 600-650 rounds per minute. Muzzle velocity is 715–890 m/s. It is being built alongside an electronic optics and under barrel grenade platform which will allow the operator to launch airburst grenades. Provision has also been made to mount an indigenous 40 mm Under Barrel grenade Launcher (UBGL) capable of firing programmable air-burst rounds.
CCD camera day sight, thermal imaging and night sight can also be mounted on its picatinny rail system to engage targets in day & night conditions. The weapon body is machined with Aluminium alloy and a metal insert based 30 Round polycarbonate magazine and adjustable butt are also featured. Ambidextrous features for cocking, lever change and magazine change have also been incorporated.
Some of the important features of MCIWS:
# 92% commonality in all three calibers
# Push type magazine release mechanism
# One-time Cocking
# Fold-able butt with variable length
# Picatinny mounted universal inbuilt iron sights
# Automatic Electronic Graticule set for selected caliber
# CCD Day Sight, Thermal Imaging, Night Sight, UBGL Sight, Laser Range Finder(LRF), Digital Magnetic Compass(DMC)

In the year 2016, trials performed by ARDE in Siachen, jungle and desert environment, the rifle did well throughout and no issues were detected. It’s now awaiting the user trials by the Indian Army, said an ARDE official.
Koustav K is an ardent fan of IDN and a keen defense enthusiast. This piece on the India's Advanced Assault Rifle System was written exclusively for IDN. Views expressed are his own.
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http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/08/idn-take-multi-caliber-individual.html
 

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IDN Take: Multi Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS): A Weapon For Multipile Combat

ARDE developed Multi-Calibre Individual Weapon System (MCIWS) under the INSAS name
by Koustav K
India had fought several wars with Pakistan and so a lighter caliber like 5.56x45mm was decided to be more helpful during wars. But now, Army has to deal with terrorists in Kashmir and thus Army has to rely on AKM series of Assault rifles to deal with the insurgency in Kashmir since lighter calibers don’t yield much damage to the terrorists. So demand was felt to have an assault rifle that could support several calibers. Lighter caliber during conventional wars and Heavier caliber during Counter-Insurgency operations. It demanded a single assault rifle that can engage targets at various distances. fulfillfil this demand, OFB and ARDE developed Multi-Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS). Development of the MCIWS began in late 2012. The prototyping of the rifle began in 2013 and is to be handed over to the Army for trials after demonstrations.

Multi-Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS) being developed by the Armaments Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, is an indigenous assault rifle which will allow operators to alternatively fire 7.62x39mm, 5.56x45mm and 6.8x43 mm Remington rounds by changing the barrel group, breech block & magazine. The MCIWS is designed to change between 5.56x45 mm for targets at 400 meters, 7.62x39 mm for targets out to 300 meters, and 6.8x43 mm influenced by 6.8 mm Remington SPC designed to address the deficiencies of the terminal performance of the 5.56x45mm. MCIWS uses a gas operated rotating bolt short stroke piston design. The light weight modular design of MCIWS helps the soldier to strip and assemble the gun much more easily by removing a pin, also the rivet-less design helps it to work better in a combat environment.
The gun is made up of high grade aluminium alloy and is of superior finish. The 910mm in length (extended butt) and 3.4 kg empty magazine. Its effective range is 500 meters with a firing rate of 600-650 rounds per minute. Muzzle velocity is 715–890 m/s. It is being built alongside an electronic optics and under barrel grenade platform which will allow the operator to launch airburst grenades. Provision has also been made to mount an indigenous 40 mm Under Barrel grenade Launcher (UBGL) capable of firing programmable air-burst rounds.
CCD camera day sight, thermal imaging and night sight can also be mounted on its picatinny rail system to engage targets in day & night conditions. The weapon body is machined with Aluminium alloy and a metal insert based 30 Round polycarbonate magazine and adjustable butt are also featured. Ambidextrous features for cocking, lever change and magazine change have also been incorporated.
Some of the important features of MCIWS:
# 92% commonality in all three calibers
# Push type magazine release mechanism
# One-time Cocking
# Fold-able butt with variable length
# Picatinny mounted universal inbuilt iron sights
# Automatic Electronic Graticule set for selected caliber
# CCD Day Sight, Thermal Imaging, Night Sight, UBGL Sight, Laser Range Finder(LRF), Digital Magnetic Compass(DMC)

In the year 2016, trials performed by ARDE in Siachen, jungle and desert environment, the rifle did well throughout and no issues were detected. It’s now awaiting the user trials by the Indian Army, said an ARDE official.
Koustav K is an ardent fan of IDN and a keen defense enthusiast. This piece on the India's Advanced Assault Rifle System was written exclusively for IDN. Views expressed are his own.
Admin - IDN
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/08/idn-take-multi-caliber-individual.html
Most awaited rifle ......

Someone says army has rejected it .

Someone says army requires some modifications .

Someone says user trials is going on .

Someone says it will be used by police forces .

Lot of confusion .
Hoping that it will be inducted soon ......

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@Zulfiqar Khan, you should buy Indigenous paki weapons .....................your 2-3 Billion dollars of excess budget will be saved :bplease:

 

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I hate the ergonomics of MICWS.,Can't they reduce the Handgrip size .
 

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Most awaited rifle ......

Someone says army has rejected it .

Someone says army requires some modifications .

Someone says user trials is going on .

Someone says it will be used by police forces .

Lot of confusion .
Hoping that it will be inducted soon ......

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There is no confusion, all statements are correct expect for the rejected part.

It cannot be rejected as the development is still in process.

About 5-6 months back I remember seeing a ARDE tender for the second barrel. We have to assume the work is going on.

Have patience...
 

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Most awaited rifle ......

Someone says army has rejected it .

Someone says army requires some modifications .

Someone says user trials is going on .

Someone says it will be used by police forces .

Lot of confusion .
Hoping that it will be inducted soon ......

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ARDE has only handed over improved Excalibur for user-trials. MCIWS is still under development.
 

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Maj Gen TK Kaul: Evangelizing peace through the IPSI

The India Pakistan Soldiers Initiative for Peace (IPSI) was founded by the late Padma Vibhushan awardee, Gandhian and social activist Miss Nirmala Deshpande, with the aim of promulgating peace between India and Pakistan.

The IPSI constitutes retired defense personnel of India and Pakistan, championing the cause of peace, disengagement and rapprochement through events, seminars and dialogues with senior country leaders at key discussions and talks in both countries. Taking laudable steps in urging both sides to get over the trust deficit and normalize relations. The purpose of the organization is to keep the dialogue process between the two countries alive through people-to-people contacts and meaningful discussions.

These military bigwigs who once bellowed war cries are now vociferously admonishing war and doing the peace chant. Holding the belief that there will be dividends in peaceful coexistence, which will usher in prosperity and empower people of both countries to kick-start a new era of progress.

Post Retirement Maj Gen TK Kaulhas lead innumerable initiatives for the IPSI by being the lead functionary. Mani Shankar Aiyar, former Minister and MP, is the current Chairperson of the IPSI. Lt Gen Moti Dar, the former Vice Chief of Army, is the ongoing President of the IPSI India Chapter and Lt General Mohd Nasir Akhtar is the ongoing President of the IPSI Pakistan Chapter. Maj Gen TK Kaul is the Executive President of the IPSI India Chapter.

The IPSI was briefly hamstrung with the demise of Nirmala Deshpande, but trudged forward in its mission in spite of facing overwhelming odds. It is dedicated members like Gen TK Kaul, who underpin the success of the IPSI.

When India saw a violation of the LOC, and suffered terror attacks, Maj Gen TK Kaul, along with the IPSI chapters in India and Pakistan strongly condemned them while placating both sides. Even though the peace talks in both countries were vitiated by these provocations, the IPSI stayed firm and resolute in its mission, holding its lofty ideals of brotherhood and bonding.

A peace march was organized under the aegis of IPSI India chapter by Maj Gen TK Kaul in Mumbai, which saw representation from the IPSI Pakistan chapter. This march started at Nariman Point and ended at Mani Bhavan, the symbolic residence of the Mahatma.

With the IPSI growing from strength to strength each year, the families of their members from both countries have become close friends. They go across the border when the children of their counterparts get married. What can be a better example demonstrating maturity and brotherhood without boundaries?
 

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Once again, Army starts global hunt for a new-generation assault rifle
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  • Similar attempts over the last decade have failed due to unrealistic technical requirements
  • The Army is looking to induct 65,000 rifles in the first go
  • The overall programme cost is slated to ultimately cross the $1 billion-mark
NEW DELHI: India re-launched on Tuesday its global hunt for new-generation assault rifles+ after similar attempts over the last decade failed due to unrealistic technical requirements and whiff of corruption, interspersed by debates on whether the gun should "kill" or merely "wound" adversaries.

The project is going to be a mega one, with the Army looking to induct 65,000 rifles in the first go, with another 1,20,000 to be manufactured in India. This, of course, would be just the beginning for the 12-lakh strong Army, with the overall programme cost slated to ultimately cross the $1 billion-mark.

In the RFI (request for information) issued by the defence ministry on Tuesday, it was mentioned that the Army was seeking "a 7.62mm x 51mm assault rifle with lethality to achieve the objective of shoot-to-kill" to replace glitch-prone 5.56mm INSAS+(Indian small arms system) rifle.
The broad parameters specify the light-weight rifles should have an effective range of 500-metre at the very minimum, with duly-optimised recoil to achieve "accuracy better than 3 minutes of angle up to a minimum range of 500-metre".

With multi-option telescopic sights, the rifles should also be capable of being fitted with the 40mm under-barrel grenade launchers manufactured by ordnance factory, Trichy. Compatible with visible laser-target pointers, holographic and other sights, the rifles should be "state-of-art" in terms of design, metallurgy and performance parameters to remain relevant for the next 25-30 years.
The RFI states the global tender or RFP (request for proposal) for the formal technocommercial bids will be floated in April 2017. It is bound to attract companies like Colt (US), Beretta (Italy), Sig Sauer (Europe), Ceska (Czech) and Israel Weapon Industries (IWI), which had also participated in the earlier tender.
As was first reported by TOI in May last year, the project was scrapped because of the Army's overambitious experiment to induct rifles with interchangeable barrels, with a 5.56x45mm primary barrel for conventional warfare and a 7.62x39mm secondary one for counter-terrorism
Then, the Army commanders' conference last April had discussed whether the force required a 7.62mm rifle that "killed" or a 5.56mm rifle that "incapacitated" enemy soldiers. Subsequently, even as the Army rejected the 5.56x45mm Excalibur rifle+ offered by the DRDO-ordnance Factory Board combine, the decision was taken to go in for 7.62x51mm rifles with a higher kill probability.
Incidentally, other projects to get new close-quarter battle carbines, light machine guns, sniper rifles and the like for infantry battalions are also stuck in the long-winded procurement process.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ration-assault-rifle/articleshow/54553688.cms
 

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Fools, no better word would describe it. It is Indian Army which dumped a decently working FAL 7.62mm rifle in favour of 5.56 rifle after reading too much into American brochures of virtues of 5.56mm rifles in 1991. It took 15 years to get the locally built INSAS rifle right (same time for M-16 - American rifle took to work properly). Five years back they wanted it automated, which was done in Excalibur rifle. The latter passed all stringent tests. Again five years back they wanted a multicaliber rifle. India was close to building it. Then they discovered that the multicaliber does not work under battle conditions. Now to circumvent all these they have come back to 7.62 rifle with 500 yards kill rate and wish to import it. A 1.3 million strong army would need a number close to it ultimately, no matter how small initial order is placed at a roughly $20,000 each.

Fools, and fools again for the top brass who put the nation and the soldiers thru this indescribable hardship and it will cost anywhere from $10 billion to $20 billion expense, even if bulk of it is built in India.
 

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Fools, no better word would describe it. It is Indian Army which dumped a decently working FAL 7.62mm rifle in favour of 5.56 rifle after reading too much into American brochures of virtues of 5.56mm rifles in 1991. It took 15 years to get the locally built INSAS rifle right (same time for M-16 - American rifle took to work properly). Five years back they wanted it automated, which was done in Excalibur rifle. The latter passed all stringent tests. Again five years back they wanted a multicaliber rifle. India was close to building it. Then they discovered that the multicaliber does not work under battle conditions. Now to circumvent all these they have come back to 7.62 rifle with 500 yards kill rate and wish to import it. A 1.3 million strong army would need a number close to it ultimately, no matter how small initial order is placed at a roughly $20,000 each.

Fools, and fools again for the top brass who put the nation and the soldiers thru this indescribable hardship and it will cost anywhere from $10 billion to $20 billion expense, even if bulk of it is built in India.
i've no knowledge about rifles but how come we are performing so well in space research sector while we don't even have a decent rifle.....why it takes so long to create just a simple and effective rifle
 

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Fools, no better word would describe it. It is Indian Army which dumped a decently working FAL 7.62mm rifle in favour of 5.56 rifle after reading too much into American brochures of virtues of 5.56mm rifles in 1991. It took 15 years to get the locally built INSAS rifle right (same time for M-16 - American rifle took to work properly). Five years back they wanted it automated, which was done in Excalibur rifle. The latter passed all stringent tests. Again five years back they wanted a multicaliber rifle. India was close to building it. Then they discovered that the multicaliber does not work under battle conditions. Now to circumvent all these they have come back to 7.62 rifle with 500 yards kill rate and wish to import it. A 1.3 million strong army would need a number close to it ultimately, no matter how small initial order is placed at a roughly $20,000 each.

Fools, and fools again for the top brass who put the nation and the soldiers thru this indescribable hardship and it will cost anywhere from $10 billion to $20 billion expense, even if bulk of it is built in India.
If they want imported maal, let them have it, but at least should be built in India, by a private company. They will get much-needed experience in building them.
 
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