NAL Saras, Regional Transport Aircraft (RTA) & Hansa Project

[ezsasa]

India is so F*ckd up na? we call ourselves socialist nation while having no PSU ability like USSR to produce aircrafts and weapons (whatever quality so to speak), we call ourselves secular liberal democracy with capitalism expanding since 1991 while having no PVT. ability like USA to produce aircrafts and weapons

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reductive argument.

countries you are describing had enough time to work on internal aspect of their country is phases over a period of time. they settled their sovereignty first, they did a cultural revolution next, they fixed their basic infra like health and education next, they fixed their industry after that. USA succeeded USSR faltered on economic front.

by the way US supplied tonnes of equipment, clothes, vehicles to USSR before they joined the war.

India on the other hand, had to deal with all the phases at the same time. all the phases are being addressed in parallel. much tougher task at hand. India having enough resources to address these things adequately, is a very recent phenomenon I.e less than 25 years.

on top of it, colonial baggage still prevails among majority of intellectual class and people in high positions in India. Now there are efforts to recolonise India’s minds digitally.

and let’s not forget the most critical reason, during Cold War India said we won’t take sides. Even today our name is being sullied by the winners of Cold War, because of that. I am not even getting to technology denial by world powers for many years.

inspite of all the challenges, when we had enough resources. we jumped over many steps other countries usually go they. skipped landline telephone & internet phase, went directly to mobile Internet. skipped brick and mortar banks, went directly to mobile banking. and many other innovations.

win some lose some.

Future is yet to be written, might as well focus on that.

 

[sorcerer]

Hansa New Generation (NG) aircraft, designed and developed by CSIR-NAL, successfully make its maiden flight


Posted On: 03 SEP 2021 7:47PM by PIB Delhi



Hansa New Generation (NG) aircraft, designed and developed by CSIR-National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bangalore a constituent lab of CSIR,has successfully made its maiden flight on 3 September 2021. The aircraft took off from HAL airport at 2 09 PM and flew at an altitude of 4000 ft. and gained a speed of 80 knots before it made a successful landing after about 20 minutes. Capt. Amit Dahiya, test pilot, who has flown the maiden flight has expressed his happiness and told that all the flight parameters were found normal and it is a Text Book flight.

The unique features of Hansa-NG are glass cockpit with cabin comfort, high efficient digitally controlled engine, electrically operated flaps, Long endurance, low acquisition and Low operating cost.CSIR-NAL has already received 72 Letters of Intent from various Flying Clubs and the aircraft will be certified within the next 4 months before it gets inducted into service. The flight was monitored in telemetry by senior officers and scientists / engineers from Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA), Centre for Military Airworthiness & Certification (CEMILAC) and CSIR-NAL.


Dr Shekhar C Mande, Secretary, DSIR and Director General, CSIR, while congratulating Team NAL said that this successful milestone flight is the culmination ofeffortsof the CSIR-NAL design team, flight test crew and DGCA with support from ASTE. He further mentioned that CSIR-NAL has already identified a private partner and series production will start soon. He applauded the efforts of Mr AbbaniRinku, Project Director, HANSA and Team NAL for the tireless efforts which has made this possible.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[HariPrasad-1]

This is in making for many decades. It is BS. Let us see when it comes. If it comes fast, we may have to purchase less and less aircrafts which we are supposed to buy big numbers in coming few years.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[HariPrasad-1]

New design of saras is getting ready with wings on thd upper side of fuselage.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[THESIS THORON]

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is equivalent to which aircraft ??

 

[Lonewolf]

is equivalent to which aircraft ??

Do 228 ng

 

[Photon]

https://www.aeroflap.com.br/embraer-busca-na-india-parceria-para-construir-novo-aviao-regional/

 

[Photon]

Hansa complete inflight engine relight testing at Chitradurga test range.

 

[Photon]

Bengaluru: 19-seater aircraft SARAS Mk II at critical design stage

The aircraft will be certified first for military use and later for civil use, according to the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research-National Aerospace Laboratories.

indianexpress.com

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Useless. Unless India also tests an domestic engine for Saras, it’s an futile exercise. All one needs to do is source parts and components from different vendors and put together the plane. Design and FBW is the only knowledge gain and we already have that from Saras Mk1.

India can negotiate with Airbus to get rights for C295 and let Tara to come up with an civilian version for it. Saras would have not have any market even within india and outside ATR, Bombardier rule the roost in this field

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Useless. Unless India also tests an domestic engine for Saras, it’s an futile exercise. All one needs to do is source parts and components from different vendors and put together the plane. Design and FBW is the only knowledge gain and we already have that from Saras Mk1.

India can negotiate with Airbus to get rights for C295 and let Tara to come up with an civilian version for it. Saras would have not have any market even within india and outside ATR, Bombardier rule the roost in this field

Even Chinese domestic manufacturers are using existing suppliers for aviation products made by their companies.
Xian MA60 - Pratt & Whitney Canada PW100
Xian MA600 - Pratt & Whitney Canada PW100
Xian MA700 - Pratt & Whitney Canada PW150C
Comac ARJ21 - General Electric CF34
Comac C919 - CFM International LEAP

Till they are going on with next generation upgrade of their products. Having a competent aero industry helps in long term. NAL put years of work with SARAS MK1 with limited funding from government and our own technological capability. Even the Dornier we are making is off German origin. With Saras MK2 we will have a domestic IP product on which we can market anywhere in the world. Also, HAL recently launched the Dornier commercial variant, meaning we have a market for 19 seaters which is basically the saras MK2 going to be compete off with much better capability of having a pressurized cabin. Regions in HP, JK, LK,UK, AP,NL, Manipur, Mizoram can be a major area where we have tricky terrain, and these small planes will be helpful in moving cargo + passengers. Armed forces can used to move troops to forward ALG.

RTA also will be a next in evolution which is going to compete with ATR series of planes. Compared to SARAS with increase in domestic air travel these planes going to have a strong market. If the upcoming HAL-private consortium for AMCA production started and then we can expect a similar type of Consortium who will build the RTA at a competitive level.

This will also encourage the existing vendors to expand their business and makes them to start developing sub systems for commercial planes. In future maybe they will try to get in the global supply chains which is currently very few companies are part of it from India. Maybe this will again force the GOI to start thinking about indigenous engines.

 

[Arpuster]

Useless. Unless India also tests an domestic engine for Saras, it’s an futile exercise. All one needs to do is source parts and components from different vendors and put together the plane. Design and FBW is the only knowledge gain and we already have that from Saras Mk1.

India can negotiate with Airbus to get rights for C295 and let Tara to come up with an civilian version for it. Saras would have not have any market even within india and outside ATR, Bombardier rule the roost in this field

C295 is bigger, expensive aircraft not fit for role of 19 seater economical aircraft like Saras mk2. Moreover, Saras mk2 is design optimised version of Saras mk1 and also 70% indigenous so, we are getting more design data and ability to design the passenger aircrafts. An indigenous design is alwayz better because we dnt have to beg around OEMs for even small optimisations and allows us more learning and more data and more skills to go further in the field. Moreover, the cost of Saras mk2 may come out of to be less than other foreign competitors so that may help with export market. Its flight ceiling is quite high as well.
All in all it is good for our industry.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

C295 is bigger, expensive aircraft not fit for role of 19 seater economical aircraft like Saras mk2. Moreover, Saras mk2 is design optimised version of Saras mk1 and also 70% indigenous so, we are getting more design data and ability to design the passenger aircrafts. An indigenous design is alwayz better because we dnt have to beg around OEMs for even small optimisations and allows us more learning and more data and more skills to go further in the field. Moreover, the cost of Saras mk2 may come out of to be less than other foreign competitors so that may help with export market. Its flight ceiling is quite high as well.
All in all it is good for our industry.

C295 is big enough to kill RTA70 project though.

 

[Arpuster]

C295 is big enough to kill RTA70 project though.

Yes but we must continue RTA70/90 because it wil give us capabilities to design and build our own aircrafts and eventually engines, C295 manufacturing should just be used as leverage for getting skilled manpower, experience and some level of ecosystem for RTA 70/90 manufacturing.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Yes but we must continue RTA70/90 because it wil give us capabilities to design and build our own aircrafts and eventually engines, C295 manufacturing should just be used as leverage for getting skilled manpower, experience and some level of ecosystem for RTA 70/90 manufacturing.

I heard somewhere that RTA has already been dropped in favour of C295.

And indigenous MTA to replace C130 Hercules is just a concept now.

 

[Arpuster]

I heard somewhere that RTA has already been dropped in favour of C295.

And indigenous MTA to replace C130 Hercules is just a concept now.

What i know is that NAL got approval of expenditure for PDP of RTA from MoF. It will be sad if it is being dropped.