Nag anti-tank Missile

[Bleh]

Now we need to mount Garuda Light weight field gun developed by Baba Kalyani on jeep for better mobility and omni strike capability. Bloody a jeep can go through mountain and stand few KM away from Pakistani positions and start shooting with a gun having 17 KM range with 105 mm shell.

Yes... heavy ATGM, QRSAM, 105mm artillery, 120mm mortar etc. should all be vehicle mounted & mobile.

 

[patriots]

Dhruvastra.........helina luncher...,.........................

 

[Chinmoy]

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Dhruvastra.........helina luncher...,.........................

Dhruvastra – Air to Surface Anti-Tank Missile is the only project which has been sanctioned in 2018 and will be a Variant of HELINA .

https://idrw.org/drdo-reveals-new-missiles-in-development/

 

[Bhadra]

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Dhruvastra.........helina luncher...,.........................

Good photo war .............

Why change the name NAG ... perhaps DRDO fellows start sweating when they hear NAG...

Dhruva actually implies static or Not Moving ... does that reflect on missile ?

 

[Vijyes]

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Dhruvastra.........helina luncher...,.........................

Hmmm.... I thought that helina will be replaced by rail-launched missile which helps in stacking by avoiding tube launchers

 

[ram singh तोपची]

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Dhruvastra.........helina luncher...,.........................

is it in the service yet ................................................

 

[Bhadra]

Hmmm.... I thought that helina will be replaced by rail-launched missile which helps in stacking by avoiding tube launchers

At least give one in 60 years ...then keep working on another for next 60 years.

Let The banana fall ... there are many waiting under the tree...

 

[Prashant12]

India scraps Israel anti-tank missile deal after DRDO says will deliver

Government officials associated with the approval of the deal said Israel has been informed about the contract being abandoned in favour of DRDO, which claimed that it was developing a similar missile at a lower price in partnership with VEM Technologies Ltd.

Officials said domestic production of the missile was favoured as DRDO’s effort in creating a man-portable anti-tank guided missile (MPATGM) was “progressing fast” with the second stage of testing concluded. (Representative image/Reuters)

INDIA HAS scrapped a $500-million deal with Israel for the purchase of Spike anti-tank missiles from defence contractor Rafael Advanced Defense Systems after indigenous developer Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) claimed that it could deliver an alternative within two years.

Government officials associated with the approval of the deal said Israel has been informed about the contract being abandoned in favour of DRDO, which claimed that it was developing a similar missile at a lower price in partnership with VEM Technologies Ltd.

Officials said domestic production of the missile was favoured as DRDO’s effort in creating a man-portable anti-tank guided missile (MPATGM) was “progressing fast” with the second stage of testing concluded. The DRDO claimed it successfully test-fired the MPATGM at the Ahmednagar range last September.

Although Army officials were sceptical of DRDO’s claim on meeting its promised deadline and operational requirements, the Defence Ministry opted for DRDO as it would fulfil the government’s “Make-in-India” initiative. The ministry, said officials, now prefers a home-grown anti-tank missile rather than depend on time-consuming imports.


Officials said India last year delayed the purchase of Spike missiles from Rafael for fear of being dragged into another controversy at a time when the purchase of the French fighter jet Rafale was being disputed by the main Opposition Congress party ahead of the 2019 Lok Sabha elections.

At the time, the reason given was that the Spike missiles needed to undergo additional tests to prove its infrared system in the country’s high-temperature environment. The Army was said to be sceptical of the missile’s performance in the hot western deserts adjoining Pakistan.

However, the DRDO offered to deliver thousands of indigenous MPATGM by 2021, almost the time it would take Rafael to deliver its Strike missiles, said officials.

India’s deal with Israel for 321 Spike launchers and 8,356 missiles was initially struck in October 2014 after the Defence Ministry selected Spike over the US-made FGM-148 Javelin. But it was scrapped in December 2017 in favour of DRDO.

It was “reauthorized” in January 2018 following Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit to India and Rafael opened a production facility in India last August with local partner Kalyani Group.


https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-israel-spike-anti-tank-missiles-drdo-5796306/

 

[uoftotaku]

How many times now have they flip flopped between Spike and MPATGM ? And if DRDO fails to develop or deliver? What is the backup plan? What is penalty the organization will face for putting national security at risk? If they go back to Rafael last minute for emergency purchase will we not get fleeced AGAIn?

Same unending circus keeps repeating over and over...I am losing faith very quickly

 

[patriots]

How many times now have they flip flopped between Spike and MPATGM ? And if DRDO fails to develop or deliver? What is the backup plan? What is penalty the organization will face for putting national security at risk? If they go back to Rafael last minute for emergency purchase will we not get fleeced AGAIn?

Same unending circus keeps repeating over and over...I am losing faith very quickly

Army has some...spike atgm......(30 lunchers)

And some....nag atgm are in action..........
So drdo has the time to deliver

 

[Vijyes]

How many times now have they flip flopped between Spike and MPATGM ? And if DRDO fails to develop or deliver? What is the backup plan? What is penalty the organization will face for putting national security at risk? If they go back to Rafael last minute for emergency purchase will we not get fleeced AGAIn?

Same unending circus keeps repeating over and over...I am losing faith very quickly

How much delay? Do you think DRDO will delay it unending? We already have NAG and other form of guided missiles, even one which can hit high speed objects like planes (Astra BVRAAM). Why will it be Herculean task to make MPATGM?

 

[Enquirer]

How much delay? Do you think DRDO will delay it unending? We already have NAG and other form of guided missiles, even one which can hit high speed objects like planes (Astra BVRAAM). Why will it be Herculean task to make MPATGM?

Not saying MPATGM will be delayed.
But your line of thinking is completely wrong!
It is always extremely difficult to miniaturize the technology....very easy to make heavy/large weaponry!
Nag weighs 45kgs, MPATGM needs to be less than 14kg with much of the same tech.

As such, despite making Astra & Akash DRDO will have a tough time making something like stinger/Igla/etc.

 

[Bhadra]

Not saying MPATGM will be delayed.
But your line of thinking is completely wrong!
It is always extremely difficult to miniaturize the technology....very easy to make heavy/large weaponry!
Nag weighs 45kgs, MPATGM needs to be less than 14kg with much of the same tech.

As such, despite making Astra & Akash DRDO will have a tough time making something like stinger/Igla/etc.

Anti Tank missile was one of the first project taken up by scientist even before DRDO was formally established in 1960 and since then it is going on on on on and on .....Since the days of SS11B1 and its earlier variants.

Under the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) missiles technologies which could be taken from ISRO are the only one where there is something to write home about. Rest all is fuss fuss particularly AD series and in specific - the anti tank Nag.

Atk missile Nag of DODOs is in Patalloka lab and is refusing to come up. No DODO by the name of Arjun has been able to Charm Ulupi to produce a Nag.

15-20 kg missile and its seeker is not nano technology. The missile technology has developed the world over by leaps and bounds. In fact one of the major chapter of post WWII defence technologies has been that of constant struggle between armour and Atk missile technologies. But our DODOs are stuck at SS11B! levels.

Atk missile is most fundamental rudimentary weapon that the defence forces (Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard) is supposed to hold. ASAT missiles have no meaning if India can not stop a Pakistani tank. I look at these achievements of DRDO as escape routes and diversions.

On top of that - Na banaunga na lene doonga culture pervades.

I suggest a NAG POOJA by DRDO. They can not make any MPATGM.

 

[uoftotaku]

How much delay? Do you think DRDO will delay it unending? We already have NAG and other form of guided missiles, even one which can hit high speed objects like planes (Astra BVRAAM). Why will it be Herculean task to make MPATGM?

If you don't know, the NAG development started way back in the 1980's when APJ was still at the helm...it is only now being put into operational use.

DRDO doesn't exactly have a stellar record when it comes to a.) completing programs in a timely manner b.) fulfilling their own overly ambitious claims on performance of their systems.

The stated goals for MPATGM are not technically easy to achieve. Global firms with years of experience have struggled to realize similar goals in performance that DRDO is trying for the first time. Not saying its impossible but it will be a long painful road of development and given past records, the timeline being talked about is all but fantasy.

 

[Vijyes]

If you don't know, the NAG development started way back in the 1980's when APJ was still at the helm...it is only now being put into operational use.

DRDO doesn't exactly have a stellar record when it comes to a.) completing programs in a timely manner b.) fulfilling their own overly ambitious claims on performance of their systems.

The stated goals for MPATGM are not technically easy to achieve. Global firms with years of experience have struggled to realize similar goals in performance that DRDO is trying for the first time. Not saying its impossible but it will be a long painful road of development and given past records, the timeline being talked about is all but fantasy.

Do you know the standard of ATGM in 1980s? World didn't have advanced semiconductor at that time and the ATGM were all laser or wire guided. So, NAG was also a wire guided one at that time. Is it wire guided now? So, why talk of NAG project of 1980s and compare with today's project?

 

[uoftotaku]

Do you know the standard of ATGM in 1980s? World didn't have advanced semiconductor at that time and the ATGM were all laser or wire guided. So, NAG was also a wire guided one at that time. Is it wire guided now? So, why talk of NAG project of 1980s and compare with today's project?

What are talking about? Do you know what year US started development of Javelin? 1989...Israel had Spike in service in 1981! No advanced semi-conductor in the 1980s? You are very clearly mis-informed

 

[Bhadra]

If you don't know, the NAG development started way back in the 1980's when APJ was still at the helm...it is only now being put into operational use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_missiles_of_India
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Motivated to strengthen its defences after the 1962 Sino-Indian War, and the prevailing international scenario of the time, the government of independent India renewed its focus on Indian missile technology development. Initially, the scientists of the Special Weapons Development Team worked from MetCalfe House (New Delhi), but the establishment later shifted to Hyderabad after the state government granted them the former Nizam's army barracks. This was the genesis of the Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) – earlier known as the Special Weapons Development Team – under DRDO, solely formed for missile technology research and development.

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By the start of 1980's, DRDL had developed competencies in the fields of propulsion, navigation and manufacture of materials. Thus, India's political and scientific leadership, which included prime minister Indira Gandhi, Defence Minister R. Venkataraman, V.S. Arunachalam (Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister), decided that all these technologies should be consolidated.

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DRDO doesn't exactly have a stellar record when it comes to a.) completing programs in a timely manner b.) fulfilling their own overly ambitious claims on performance of their systems.

At least in the field of Anti Tank missiles DRDO has let down the country and Armed Forces.

The stated goals for MPATGM are not technically easy to achieve. Global firms with years of experience have struggled to realize similar goals in performance that DRDO is trying for the first time. Not saying its impossible but it will be a long painful road of development and given past records, the timeline being talked about is all but fantasy.

If it is not easy then DRDO should not stand in the way of imports and defang our forces.

 

[Armand2REP]

If it is not easy then DRDO should not stand in the way of imports and defang our forces.

This is a very important development for India's defence industry. Israel has been encroaching on several areas India should have already achieved independence from foreign supply. Cancelling Spike is the first step, cancelling ATHOS is the second. The final step will be ridding all Israeli avionics from Tejas.

 

[Vijyes]

This is a very important development for India's defence industry. Israel has been encroaching on several areas India should have already achieved independence from foreign supply. Cancelling Spike is the first step, cancelling ATHOS is the second. The final step will be ridding all Israeli avionics from Tejas.

I agree with you on Spike and athos. Tejas already has Indian avionics. Tejas as Israeli radar as the only major component.

 

[Defcon 1]

Anti Tank missile was one of the first project taken up by scientist even before DRDO was formally established in 1960 and since then it is going on on on on and on .....Since the days of SS11B1 and its earlier variants.

Under the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) missiles technologies which could be taken from ISRO are the only one where there is something to write home about. Rest all is fuss fuss particularly AD series and in specific - the anti tank Nag.

Atk missile Nag of DODOs is in Patalloka lab and is refusing to come up. No DODO by the name of Arjun has been able to Charm Ulupi to produce a Nag.

15-20 kg missile and its seeker is not nano technology. The missile technology has developed the world over by leaps and bounds. In fact one of the major chapter of post WWII defence technologies has been that of constant struggle between armour and Atk missile technologies. But our DODOs are stuck at SS11B! levels.

Atk missile is most fundamental rudimentary weapon that the defence forces (Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard) is supposed to hold. ASAT missiles have no meaning if India can not stop a Pakistani tank. I look at these achievements of DRDO as escape routes and diversions.

On top of that - Na banaunga na lene doonga culture pervades.

I suggest a NAG POOJA by DRDO. They can not make any MPATGM.

Sir you are talking about a different project. Nag is a third gen ATGM. The missile that DRDO was developing in the 1960s was a first generation ATGM.
That missile was simply called DRDO Anti Tank Missile.

Here is some info on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_Anti_Tank_Missile