Nag anti-tank Missile

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India Pursues Indigenous ATGM Amid Javelin Talks
Oct. 3, 2013 - 02:10PM | By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI

NEW DELHI — India has begun working on a homemade, man-portable anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), despite a US proposal to co-produce the Javelin ATGM.

Defence Ministry sources said the homemade project — a third generation Nag missile — is unlikely to derail the proposed Javelin deal, which is in only the preliminary stages of negotiation with the US. A scientist with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) claimed the Nag is lighter than the Javelin.

In what one US Embassy diplomat in India described as a groundbreaking initiative in India's ties with Washington, US Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter has proposed that India co-develop — rather than merely buy — the Javelin missile.

The Indian Army has a pressing demand for more than 20,000 third generation man-portable ATGMs, and all attempts to procure them from overseas over the past eight years has yielded no results.

Israel's offer of its Spike ATGM was rejected in 2007 because it was the only vendor to respond to the tender. The US, meanwhile, refused to transfer technology after a proposal to buy the Javelin on a government-to-government basis. Indian MoD sources said that last year, the US refused to sell Javelin in adequate numbers to India due to " international strategic and geopolitical considerations."

The full details of Washington's latest Javelin proposal have not been released, but MoD sources said the US wants to sell around 6,000 units within one year of the signing of the contract. In the future, the US would explore co-production of the Javelin and, at a later stage, work on the co-development of an ATGM tailor-made for India.

The US would also transfer Javelin technology, including the manufacture of the warhead, rocket motor, propellant, guidance and seeker, but no algorithms for guidance, which an Indian Army official said is the core to any guidance system.

A team from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin has briefed the Indian MoD on the possibilities to be explored in the Javelin project, Indian MoD sources said.

A Lockheed Martin executive said Javelin is better than any other man-portable ATGM because it is ejected non-explosively, which is useful to the Indian Army in higher terrain. The executive, however, declined to discuss details of Carter's proposal.

DRDO, meanwhile, has begun work on the homemade Nag missile, which would weigh only 16 kilograms compared to Javelin's 26 kilograms, the DRDO scientist claimed.

The man-portable version of the Nag missile is simpler than the vehicle-mounted version and, as such, could be developed in the next three years, the scientist said.


An Indian Army official said everyone, including DRDO, would be happy to get Javelin as nearly 25 years of work on the Nag ATGM has yet to result in a mature, third generation ATGM.

The Indian Army uses second generation, French-made Milan and Russian-made Konkurs ATGMs, which have a range of less than 2,000 meters.

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I believe this is a better source than wikipedia - defensenews.com/article/20131003/DEFREG03/310030019/I
 

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India should just go for Spike or MMP. All this drama over Javelin is not needed.
 

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Disadvantages of Javelin: (source : Wikipedia)
The main drawback of the complete system (missile, tube, and CLU) is its 49.2 lb (22.3 kg) total weight. The system is designed to be portable by infantry on foot and weighs more than the original weight specified by the army.[16]
All DRDO Scientistts and some of the members here should be made to carry those missiles in the desert of Rajasthan, walk, run, crawl, sprint and fire so that they understand it better.

Another drawback of the system is the reliance on a thermal view to acquire targets. The thermal views are not able to operate until the refrigeration component has cooled the system. The manufacturer estimates 30 seconds until this is complete, but depending on the ambient temperature, this process may take much longer.
Then what will it do in the heat of Rajasthan ? Tain Tain Fus Fus ??

Also, Javelin launchers and missiles are rather expensive. A single Javelin command launch unit costs around $125,000, and each missile costs around $80,000.
Well Defence of the country does have a cost, particularly when DRDO Scientists have failed to deliver for last 25 years. The country can put those scientist in front of Paki tanks !!
The operator of the complex has no opportunity to correct the flight of the rocket after launch (when the target heat contrasts poorly with the terrain, the missile can miss).
That is called D(O) D O miss !!


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Isn't the Nag had the similar issues in one of the field trials due to extreme high temperature of terrain where it was tested ?? The same flaw exists even in Javelin missiles..
Lage raho Pyare !!
 
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Man portable, DRDL will also start working on the,`Man Portable' Nag very soon. It would weigh less than 14 kg.[4]

Source : wikipedia.org
How soon is that soon ??

Countrymen have been hearing of it for last 25 years !! :mad:
 

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All DRDO Scientistts and some of the members here should be made to carry those missiles in the desert of Rajasthan, walk, run, crawl, sprint and fire so that they understand it better.
Why would DRDO test the Javelin missiles ?? Did you read the post in first place those were disadvantages of Javelin which IA was interested and its no way different from Nag with respect to performance of seekers in high temperature...
 

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All DRDO Scientistts and some of the members here should be made to carry those missiles in the desert of Rajasthan, walk, run, crawl, sprint and fire so that they understand it better.


Then what will it do in the heat of Rajasthan ? Tain Tain Fus Fus ??



Well Defence of the country does have a cost, particularly when DRDO Scientists have failed to deliver for last 25 years. The country can put those scientist in front of Paki tanks !!


That is called D(O) D O miss !!


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Lage raho Pyare !!
AFAIK the DRDO will develop the Man Portable ATGM from the CLGM and not Nag..

Nag will be further developed into an Air Launched Air to Surface missile of range over 10 Km, just like the Brimestone, which would be fitted with Jaguar IS and Possibly future Combat UAVs
But NAG still has issues with the indigenous seeker and I hope they would have rectified it :)

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To add.. The drdo has also developed a lightweight 84mm RCL as per the requirement for the army.
 

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Nag missile is built to kill. It's charge will take out even the most protected tank from four miles. It has high kill ratio.

The way it's built is to be carried by a wheeled or tracked vehicle.

The best point here it is India built. We do not have to go to anybody for spare parts or future improvements.

Man portable missiles hawked by US and Israel are unavailable to India. They do not wish to part with the technology.

DRDO scientists are Babus not soldier. They supply the brain not the muscle. It is the soldiers who is conditioned to carry arms and missile. Get my point.
 

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it says "DRDO man portable NAG has entered the hardware realization phase. Design is complete"....

So now the question is
How many Phases are left?
3 Phases left. Prototype>Developer Trials>User Trials.
 

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