Nag anti-tank Missile

[Pulkit]

3 Phases left. Prototype>Developer Trials>User Trials.

So an year or two before it is inducted ? or we need to w8 longer.... how will it be compared to Spike or Javelin ATGM ...

 

[Twinblade]

3 Phases left. Prototype>Developer Trials>User Trials.

Prototype: 2-3 years
Developer Trials : 2 years
User Trials: 2 years
Production Set up: 1-2 years

8 years is a conservative estimate.

 

[arnabmit]

Aah! I was hoping for a 2+1+1+1=5yr timeline, especially in view of the new "Missile Autonomy Mission" and the huge boost in R&D budget.

Larger budget would also empower multiple prototypes deployed for testing, means only 1 set (1yr) of winter and summer trials would suffice, instead of 2 sets (2yrs).

Prototype: 2-3 years
Developer Trials : 2 years
User Trials: 2 years
Production Set up: 1-2 years

8 years is a conservative estimate.

Spike is wire guided, and can use both LOAL & LOBL, hence is a different class.

For Javelin, missile+CLU=26Kg. DRDO claim is that MP-NAG+FLAME=16kg. Other specifications of MP-NAG is not available for comparison.

So an year or two before it is inducted ? or we need to w8 longer.... how will it be compared to Spike or Javelin ATGM ...

 

[Pulkit]

that means we are buying missiles.....Again....

Aah! I was hoping for a 2+1+1+1=5yr timeline, especially in view of the new "Missile Autonomy Mission" and the huge boost in R&D budget.

Larger budget would also empower multiple prototypes deployed for testing, means only 1 set (1yr) of winter and summer trials would suffice, instead of 2 sets (2yrs).



Spike is wire guided, and can use both LOAL & LOBL, hence is a different class.

For Javelin, missile+CLU=26Kg. DRDO claim is that MP-NAG+FLAME=16kg. Other specifications of MP-NAG is not available for comparison.

 

[Twinblade]

Aah! I was hoping for a 2+1+1+1=5yr timeline, especially in view of the new "Missile Autonomy Mission" and the huge boost in R&D budget.

Larger budget would also empower multiple prototypes deployed for testing, means only 1 set (1yr) of winter and summer trials would suffice, instead of 2 sets (2yrs).

Standard DRDO timelines man

Akash, first fired in 1990, inducted in 2011
Nag first tested with IIR seeker in 1997, yet to be inducted
Astra, first fired in 2003, several rounds of redesigns done to make it comparable to modern missiles, induction by 2016
Varunastra, undergoing user trials since 2008, yet to be inducted
TAL Shyena, first fired in 1998, inducted in 2012


I am being very optimistic with the man portable Nag timelines

 

[Twinblade]

If everything goes right, spike/Pars 3 might not be integrated on Rudra/LCH and they will directly start off with Helina.

 

[power_monger]

Twinblade,

I thought Helina is a air born version of nag missile.but I keep hearing failures of Nag missile in trials whereas Helina missile trials have gone sucessfull?
Whats the difference between Helina and Nag? Do they use different seekers?

 

[ersakthivel]

QUOTE=Sea Eagle;900613]AFAIK the DRDO will develop the Man Portable ATGM from the CLGM and not Nag..

Nag will be further developed into an Air Launched Air to Surface missile of range over 10 Km, just like the Brimestone, which would be fitted with Jaguar IS and Possibly future Combat UAVs
But NAG still has issues with the indigenous seeker and I hope they would have rectified it

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To add.. The drdo has also developed a lightweight 84mm RCL as per the requirement for the army.[/QUOTE]



Dr Avinash Chander Talks about NEW Missiles | idrw.org

Speaking to Saurav Jha a reporter for Ibnlive Dr Avinash Chander DRDO Chief further revealed development of new missiles under development by Drdo . idrw.org in its earlier reports had confirmed development of many such missiles .

DRDO Chief Confirmed that a new man portable anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) for which design is over and hardware is getting developed, idrw.org few days back was first to break news of development of man portable anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) by DRDO.

He also confirmed that a new Long ranged SAM with a range of 200-250 km is on the drawing board, which is likely be a spin off our ABM technology . he also disclosed development of a quick reaction SAM which can track on move is well-advanced in the design stage. also Development of anti-radiation missile that can target enemy radars and communication facilities will also be developed and first tests will be conducted in next 3 years .

DRDO is also considering putting a seeker on board Akash MK-2 Sam so that it can operate over a larger profile . He also confirmed development of 1500-2000 km anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) since missile is still in design stage , missile will be only ready in next 5 to 6 years . Canister based Agni-V might be tested only after monsoon is over and more Agni -v tests are planned in future .

Astra MK-1 after monsoon will carry out first intercept of aerial target and he has confirmed that earlier Astra fired from Ground launcher had actually took out a real target , idrw.org had hinted possbilibty of development of low-level quick-reaction surface-to-air missile system capable of engaging aircraft, helicopters, unmanned air vehicles, drones and precision-guided munitions based on Astra Missiles .

 

[arnabmit]

Twinblade,

I thought Helina is a air born version of nag missile.but I keep hearing failures of Nag missile in trials whereas Helina missile trials have gone sucessfull?
Whats the difference between Helina and Nag? Do they use different seekers?

AFAIK air launched range of 7km is equivalent to surface launched range of 3km, both of which is successful.

Problem of NAG is for Ir contrast beyond 4km range, which when developed and implemented in HELINA would give HELINA approx 10km range.

 

[power_monger]

AFAIK air launched range of 7km is equivalent to surface launched range of 3km, both of which is successful.

Problem of NAG is for Ir contrast beyond 4km range, which when developed and implemented in HELINA would give HELINA approx 10km range.

Nag still has issues with 4km range. It has been sucessfully tested in all weather for upto 2.5 kms.

 

[arnabmit]

Nag still has issues with 4km range. It has been sucessfully tested in all weather for upto 2.5 kms.

This 2.5km was with the imported seeker in 2012 trials. 2013 trials have already achieved >3km range with indigenous seeker. Same indigenous seeker is used in HELINA.

Anyway, wait for MkII which does away with IIR and introduces MMWR with significantly higher range.

 

[power_monger]

This 2.5km was with the imported seeker in 2012 trials. 2013 trials have already achieved >3km range with indigenous seeker. Same indigenous seeker is used in HELINA.

Anyway, wait for MkII which does away with IIR and introduces MMWR with significantly higher range.

Wasnt 2013 Nag missile trials a failure?

 

[arnabmit]

Not at all!

DRDO tastes rare success in evaluation trials of Nag - The Times of India

Fresh Nag ATGM trials successful - SP's Land Forces

Wasnt 2013 Nag missile trials a failure?

 

[ersakthivel]

Not at all!

DRDO tastes rare success in evaluation trials of Nag - The Times of India

Fresh Nag ATGM trials successful - SP's Land Forces

I dont know what made TOIlet think the success is rare!!!!

From now on every DRDO success will be called that way?

 

[ersakthivel]

Nag still has issues with 4km range. It has been sucessfully tested in all weather for upto 2.5 kms.

AFAIK there are no 4 Km range IR seekers that can operate at 40 plus degree desert temp. DRDO couldn't buy a seeker for that range from international market .So they are producing one.

And even javelin cant go to that range with its IR seeker in 40 plus degree temp.

 

[arnabmit]

Hehehe you need to filter out the actual news from the idiotic adjectives these jurnos use.

I dont know what made TOIlet think the success is rare!!!!

From now on every DRDO success will be called that way?

 

[power_monger]

Re: Nag anti-tank Missile - new IIR seeker with range of 6-7km

I had a tweet chat with Saurav.he told several things.Summary of the tweets are

1) A new IIR seeker with range of 6-7 Kms is developed for Nag missile and headed for User trials.
2) The seeker will still have issues during hot summer i.e range should be less during hot summer,where infrared seekers will ahve problem in distinguishing temperature difference.
3) The Detector array are still imported from Sofradir.
4) The increased range of Nag means now Helina will also have range of around 10kms similar to bridgestone.
5) The millmeter seeker for 94Gh has been developed but will not be used for Nag.nag will only be used with IIR seeker.

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[ersakthivel]

Re: Nag anti-tank Missile - new IIR seeker with range of 6-7km

I had a tweet chat with Saurav.he told several things.Summary of the tweets are

1) A new IIR seeker with range of 6-7 Kms is developed for Nag missile and headed for User trials.
2) The seeker will still have issues during hot summer i.e range should be less during hot summer,where infrared seekers will ahve problem in distinguishing temperature difference.
3) The Detector array are still imported from Sofradir.
4) The increased range of Nag means now Helina will also have range of around 10kms similar to bridgestone.
5) The millmeter seeker for 94Gh has been developed but will not be used for Nag.nag will only be used with IIR seeker.

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Keep it up. At least there is one defence journalist who knows what he is talking about in the hopeless sea of DDM folks,

 

[arnabmit]

Re: Nag anti-tank Missile - new IIR seeker with range of 6-7km

The future primary seekers would be:

NAG: IIR
HELINA: mmW
CLGM: Laser

HELINA would be further developed with a dual mode seeker with mmW+IIR or mmW+Laser, with greater range using smokeless rocket motor derived from Astra with high off-bore capability.

I had a tweet chat with Saurav.he told several things.Summary of the tweets are

1) A new IIR seeker with range of 6-7 Kms is developed for Nag missile and headed for User trials.
2) The seeker will still have issues during hot summer i.e range should be less during hot summer,where infrared seekers will ahve problem in distinguishing temperature difference.
3) The Detector array are still imported from Sofradir.
4) The increased range of Nag means now Helina will also have range of around 10kms similar to bridgestone.
5) The millmeter seeker for 94Gh has been developed but will not be used for Nag.nag will only be used with IIR seeker.

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[power_monger]

arnab,
why do you think mmv seeker was not considered for nag but considered for helina. i read in wiki that mmw seekers performance could be affected badly due to weather factors.