A400m payload capacity is around 37 tons, almost twice that of MTA's estimated figure of about 20 tons. The price tag is also likely to be two to three times as much. It's an entirely different class of aircraft.
I think americans will not setup manufacturing line of c-130 in india..A400m payload capacity is around 37 tons, almost twice that of MTA's estimated figure of about 20 tons. The price tag is also likely to be two to three times as much. It's an entirely different class of aircraft.
C-130J on the other hand has comparable payload of approx. 20 tons. If we can produce it locally, we can possibly get it for like 50% higher price than MTA's estimated per-unit cost. Something like the export-focused C-130XJ concept can be even cheaper per unit. But upside is that we won't have to pay anything as project-development costs as the plane is already fully developed and ready.
Whatever money Tata invests in setting up a production line is easily recovered, plus a substantial profit is gained by selling anywhere between 40 to 60 aircraft to IAF alone and income from MRO hub activities.
All I'm saying is that if MTA is to be cancelled, going for C-130J licensed production would be a sound decision as a replacement for the aging An-32s.
@abingdonboy
Why not? Tata Advanced Systems Ltd. (TASL) and other subsidiary companies are already Tier-1 suppliers of the C-130J international supply chain. As I repeatedly pointed out, several critical components like Center Wing-Box (CWB), Tailfin & Horizontal Stabilizers are manufactured here in Hyderabad.
Both are impossible for this requirement. One is a level higher, other is a level below.
But c-130j made in india would be two times costly than MTA and we should rely on us for spares.
On other forums I have stated the case for the C-130XJ now the MTA is dead, it s by far the most logical choice.A400m payload capacity is around 37 tons, almost twice that of MTA's estimated figure of about 20 tons. The price tag is also likely to be two to three times as much. It's an entirely different class of aircraft.
C-130J on the other hand has comparable payload of approx. 20 tons. If we can produce it locally, we can possibly get it for like 50% higher price than MTA's estimated per-unit cost. Something like the export-focused C-130XJ concept can be even cheaper per unit. But upside is that we won't have to pay anything as project-development costs as the plane is already fully developed and ready.
Whatever money Tata invests in setting up a production line is easily recovered, plus a substantial profit is gained by selling anywhere between 40 to 60 aircraft to IAF alone and income from MRO hub activities.
All I'm saying is that if MTA is to be cancelled, going for C-130J licensed production would be a sound decision as a replacement for the aging An-32s.
@abingdonboy
MTA was never going to be that cheap and the price you have quoted for the C-130 is too much. The "XJ" variant is a fully stripped down version of the "J" and thus will be much more affordable.
If the IAF give a sizeable order LM would be more than willing to- they were/are willing to set up F-18/16 production in India.
I don't agree with that price estimate but they wouldbe more costly however, cosidering the C-130XJ has a higher lift capacity than the MTA you wouldn't require a 1:1 replacment, maybe 0.75:1. So 75 C-130XJ instead of 100 MTA would be required. The unpfront costs would be very similar and I suspect the C-130XJ's life cycle costs would be VASTLY superior.
Now the Russians have "frozen" India out, the IAF has such a requirement to replace their An-32s especially given the mess the Russian-Ukranian crisis has left the AN-32 fleet in ie 30-40% are grounded (canniblised) and the RE upgrade deal has been canceeled by the Ukranians with only 40 upgraded.
And since when have the Russians ever stuck to their target price where deals with India are concered. Every single one in recent times have come to India at a heavy premium- heck the Vikramditya cost >250% of what it was intially meant to cost.
MTA has turbofans, not turbojets.
Say that about Mil 8 and 17 V 5 or Su 30 MKI or Mig 29 .A 330 MRTT is cancled due to cost escalation,CH 47F won because of it requires less maintenance plus IAF do not need a super heavy lifter like Mi 26T2 ,AH 64 E won because of it ability to control UAV and better sensor fusion.As for Vikramditya ,2 billion $ is low price for a aircraft carrier ,then Naval chief challenged the CAG to find a AC cheaper and the CAG failed .Even the AC which we will make will be around 5 billion $ when it is completed .
The speed advantage is present with the MTA but so what? The aircraft the MTA was to replace (An-32) is turboprop, has the IAF explictly stated they want a turbofan aircraft to replace the An-32s? They were just going along with it as this was what the Russians had proposed. The An-32s are exclusively used within India for relatively short trips and the "speed factor" is thus negligable- this would only really be relevent in long range flights (which the IAF would not need the An-32 replecment to do).
Thanks as you answered correctly before me. The fact is that MOD is facing escalation on all defence projects, both local and foreign, Russian or not.
All have far lower availabilty rates than their Western counterparts.
Not true, it has been stalled because of some bogus vigilance check because of some weird allegation against Airbus in India from the 80s, the deal is still on but as usual the Indian babus are taking their time.
Not true at all. All Russian products lost out on LCC analysis, the above is completly ignoring the selection/procurement process. The military outlines requirements, bidders submit their products and the military tests them, all products that meet the requirements progess and the product with the lowest bid price (here LCC) wins ie becomes "L1". This is how the Apache, Chinook and A300 MRTT won, not because of any other reason. This is a matter of historical record.
This doesn't change the fact that it was inducted WELL after it was meant to and came in vastly over budget. As did the Talwars, T-90s and any other Russian product India has procured in the past decade.
