Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

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if procurement of BPJs is taken up for the entire force now, they will end up buying this.
this is the approved GSQR 1438, which is result of process that started in 2009.

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IA is a joke of a force.

other than some units in NC the whole force seems to have no interest in being a capable fighting unit, just going through the motions of 1980s plans
 

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IA is a joke of a force.

other than some units in NC the whole force seems to have no interest in being a capable fighting unit, just going through the motions of 1980s plans
Wouldn’t call it a joke in northern or eastern command. But yes, overall that seems to be the plan
 

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Yes, it was!! A far better option would have been to go for a 5.56-caliber rifle with an 18+ inch barrel length and increased lethality ammunition types like the M855A1EPR.
5.56 is better for close quarters, am I correct? AFAIK the only troops involved in CQB ops in J and K are RR. 7.62 caliber is better for longer range combat, right? Think we need more modern 5.56 carbines in the army than anything
 

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5.56 is better for close quarters, am I correct? AFAIK the only troops involved in CQB ops in J and K are RR. 7.62 caliber is better for longer range combat, right? Think we need more modern 5.56 carbines in the army than anything
Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. While the heavier 7.62mm rounds indeed have a lot more muzzle energy and are better able to retain it over longer distances, their performance against level III armor plates and above is notoriously poor (unless we're talking about dedicated armor-piercing rounds), due to their slower velocity. And this is further exacerbated in the Sig 716Is that the IA procured due to their shorter barrel length.
 

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One of the Indian army’s most decorated battalions during counter terror ops in 2001. Would effectively rout the LeT and HM from the Srinagar proper area in two years by setting up a COIN grid
 

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Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. While the heavier 7.62mm rounds indeed have a lot more muzzle energy and are better able to retain it over longer distances, their performance against level III armor plates and above is notoriously poor (unless we're talking about dedicated armor-piercing rounds), due to their slower velocity. And this is further exacerbated in the Sig 716Is that the IA procured due to their shorter barrel length.
But, 7.62 is better at long range combat.. and if it hits any unprotected area, it will transfer a lot more kinetic energy and kill the enemy.. But, for close quarter combat there is no beating the 5.56.. since soldiers can carry a lot more bullets and thus, unleash much greater suppressive fire..

Maybe we can use Sigs to take out the Chinese along LAC, or Pakis in Siachen, from long distances..as at that altitude enemy solciers might have more winter gear than protective gear..
 

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Yes, it was!! A far better option would have been to go for a 5.56-caliber rifle with an 18+ inch barrel length and increased lethality ammunition types like the M855A1EPR.
Nah, we plan to use dirt cheap ammo, which is why we are going for larger caliber. Otherwise an AK in 5.56 would be nice.
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But, 7.62 is better at long range combat.. and if it hits any unprotected area, it will transfer a lot more kinetic energy and kill the enemy.. But, for close quarter combat there is no beating the 5.56.. since soldiers can carry a lot more bullets and thus, unleash much greater suppressive fire..
Test data shows that the M855A1 EPR can pen a level III plate at up to a distance of 250 yards or so when fired through a 20" barrel, I'd say that's good enough for most engagements, but yes, if proper ammo is used, then 7.62 NATO beats out 5.56 at any range and will be ideal for LAC.
Maybe we can use Sigs to take out the Chinese along LAC, or Pakis in Siachen, from long distances..as at that altitude enemy solciers might have more winter gear than protective gear..
If that's the case, then should have opted for a 20" or at least 18" barrel option, plus get the license for M80A1 EPR rounds and make it standard issue.
 
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Or they could keep improving the INSAS 1C like a short stroke gas piston, better outer furniture, foregrips, a proper magwell, a free-floating barrel, adjustable buttstocks, so on and so forth.
Short stroke guns won't serve in any large capacity. Generals take one look at the servicing frequency and get a stroke almost. As for the INSAS itself, OFB is staffed by people who won't even go to the internet and rip off some furniture design unless it's from the 80s/90s.
 

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Short stroke guns won't serve in any large capacity. Generals take one look at the servicing frequency and get a stroke almost.
FN FAL would want to have a talk.
As for the INSAS itself, OFB is staffed by people who won't even go to the internet and rip off some furniture design unless it's from the 80s/90s.
I know. But what stops the Army guys from creating an auto CAD design on Fusion 360 and throw it in their faces?? As the saying goes, where there is a will, there is a way. Unfortunately the will is missing in everyone.
 

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But what stops the Army guys from creating an auto CAD design on Fusion 360
IA: You mean to say we actually have to design our own rifle, work with the pvt industry, hold trials, (or a competition amongst multiple pvt players) suggest improvements etc... and finally induct them, instead of copy pasting unreal requirements based on some foreign weapon as an RFI and earning kickbacks when said foreign company is given the deal AND not have to conduct endless trials ? Gasp !
 

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