Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

[Twinblade]

I'm asking because there might be different terminology involved. There are two type of personal body armor, soft (Kevlar, etc) and hard (plate). Western militaries use both but the R&D money goes to plate armor. So that's where the confusion came from.

Soft body armor is only good for pistol and shotgun calibers. Plate armor will protect the wearer from pistol, shotgun, and rifle caliber. Let assume jacket mean soft body armor.

In the USA all police officers have to wear soft body armor. Soft body armor have been around of 100 years now. Soft body armor R&D is mainly funded by civilian companies. While the weight is noticeable it can be worn all day long without much discomfort. Soft body armor is the main reason why sub-guns became obsolete. Normal pistol calibers cannot defeat them. Sub-gun replaced by PDW that chamber rifle calibers is design to bypass the protection. Soft body armor is pretty much useless in regard to military personal body armor usage.

Western military spend a lot of money trying to improve (make them lighter with greater protection) plate armor. They don't waste their time and money on soft body armor development. A standard military armor package is a chest rig which can double as a soft body armor. Chest rig is made out of Kevlar (or the plate is protected by Kevlar) and have two pouch (front and back) to insert the plate armor. So what you have is soft and hard body armor in one package. Giving the wearer maximum protection.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kev...la:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

Unless the jacket body armor is design as a chest rig that will allow plate armor, it is pretty much a waste of money. In fact I wouldn't wear it. It add weight and give basically no protection in a military fire fight. You're better off adding two or four magazines than wearing the jacket soft body armor.

Weight is the main issue for plated armor. It really really heavy and uncomfortable. Like I posted it can weight up to 40lbs (helmet + Chest Rig + Plate). All muscle and no fat else it will break you in half.

Indian army has issued tenders for level IV body armour with a stipulated weight limit of 10 and 11.3 Kg for medium and large sized vest respectively. They will have plate inserts for necessary protection. As far as helmets go, it is hard to top the ballistic protection offered by the Patka, which is essentially a steel plate vest for the head and weighs almost half a kilo more. Helmets top at level IIIA protection, while a Patka offers Level III protection. There are a few Indian companies that are working on Level IV helmets, but not sure if that is a part of the requirement.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

ITBP Personals Wearing New Digital Camo ..

Digital Pattern ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

ITBP Personals Wearing New Digital Camo ..

Digital Pattern ..

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Seems like everyone talking Camo pattern seriously expect Indian Army !

 

[SafedSagar]

Woah! The ITBP camo is just awesome but the BSF camo looks a little bit darker for desert. IA should really look forward to new patterns. In my opinion MARPAT like camo( "woodland digital pattern") that CoBRA uses will be a good choice if they don't want to research and all. Even pakistan (according to wiki) is going for multicam now. Our French CEP style pattern is ridiculous.

 

[SafedSagar]

What exactly is going on here? This guy in last pic looks more equipped than a normal personnel. New helmet, new gear, better optics and what gun is that?

 

[Ray]

The camouflage pattern is not a thing of cosmetic beauty. It is based on scientific analysis wherein the pattern aims to blend with the background.

it has to be different from terrain to terrain.

Now does this guy blend with the background to make him 'invisible' so to say?

He does not.

Therefore, it maybe digital and may even be 'cool', but it is as useless as going around nude.

Check this

As good as it gets given the terrain, but the beret sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

[SafedSagar]

National Institute of Fashion Technology? I thought OFB handled these stuff. -_-

"In the past three years, the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), the Border Security Force (BSF) and more recently the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP), which hired the services of the National Institute of Fashion Technology, Ahmedabad, have switched over to distinct DP battle dress. A change which would enable them to blend into their operational areas-from the jungles of the Northeast to the Kashmir Valley"

 

[AshutoshNSingh]

I was for long thinking over the need of a new camp pattern for IA. An indigenous standard digital camo pattern uniform should also be added into the FINSAS program having primarily desert & jungle patterns. Other patterns may also be included.

 

[Blackwater]

NEW DELHI: The army is running low on ammunition, soldiers posted to freezing places like Siachen and Leh don't have boots or mosquito nets, and India has failed for over a decade to produce an assault rifle that meets the most basic requirements of the army.

These are some of the troubling highlights revealed by Parliament's standing committee on Defence, headed by the BJP's Major General BC Khanduri. The panel has 33 members from both houses of Parliament.

Based on information supplied by the Ministry of Defence, the committee has assessed the preparedness of the army in the winter session of Parliament which ends today.

The committee, in a report submitted to Parliament, has found that soldiers in high-altitude areas are short of nearly 2 lakh pairs of ankle leather boots; more than 13 lakh canvas boots are needed in the same areas, one lakh mosquito nets are wanted, and soldiers are waiting for 65,000 Balaclavas or masks to keep their faces warm.

The committee says the Defence Ministry has failed to furnish plausible information about how many soldiers have bullet-proof jackets; the members believe that "an important life saving device has not been purchased by the Ministry jeopardizing the lives of thousands of soldiers."

The committee has voiced its concern over the fact that while the Defence Ministry seems satisfied that equipment like night vision goggles are plentiful, the army has "an altogether different view." The report offers this indictment - "it appears that the Ministry is not taking the Army into confidence while doing its perspective planning."

The report warns clearly that the shortage of ammunition means "it would not be possible for the country to sustain a war for a longer period."

The committee states that the Defence Research and Development Organization or DRDO, tasked with developing technology for the military, has failed since 1982 to produce an acceptable INSAS rifle, the standard weapon of the army .

"The Committee finds it shocking that even years of expertise has not evolved DRDO to develop world class basic product like a rifle," its report says.
:shocked::shocked::shocked:

Boots, Bullets, Rifles: All In Short Supply For Army

 

[Blackwater]

best time for pakis to do gazwa-a-hind

 

[Ray]

And shortage of officers and men.

Uncle India NEEDS YOU!

or is it as sad as

 

[Ky Loung]

"The Committee finds it shocking that even years of expertise has not evolved DRDO to develop world class basic product like a rifle," its report says.
:shocked::shocked::shocked:

Boots, Bullets, Rifles: All In Short Supply For Army

Yeah I find it funny too. You won't get much out of a big government agency like DRDO sucking on tax payers tits. They spend more time sucking on tits then doing work. The more they suck the less return for tax payers money.

Break it apart and privatize it. Then force them to complete with other companies. They fail they go bankrupt.

 

[Blackwater]

i don't understand simple mathematics

Billion $$$$$ budget of indian army and supplier from Switzerland and other Europe for supply of best quality stuff available then problem kithe ha

 

[Kunal Biswas]

All Foreign Assault Rifle under trial failed under Indian conditions.

The Indian Army began the final round of confirmatory trials in support of its requirement for 44,618 close quarter battle (CQB) 5.56 mm carbines and 33.6 million rounds of ammunition on 9 June, defence industry officials told IHS Jane's .

The Beretta ARX-160, Colt M4, and Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) Galil Ace carbines will undergo a series of tests at army establishments and weapon-testing facilities until the end of July. These include weapon sights, furniture, and ammunition trials.

The competing guns will also undergo a "mud test" to gauge their ability to operate in poor conditions, an evaluation all three failed during trials in 2012 in the Rajasthan desert and high-altitude regions.

Source : Indian Army kicks off final carbine trials - IHS Jane's 360

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i don't understand simple mathematics

Billion $$$$$ budget of indian army and supplier from Switzerland and other Europe for supply of best quality stuff available then problem kithe ha

 

[Blackwater]

so buy what pakis are using. afterall conditions are same there as well

 

[Kunal Biswas]

No thanks, We have better ..

PS, Stop using large fronts, It hurt eyes ..

so buy what pakis are using. afterall conditions are same there as well

 

[pmaitra]

"The Committee finds it shocking that even years of expertise has not evolved DRDO to develop world class basic product like a rifle," its report says.
:shocked::shocked::shocked:

Boots, Bullets, Rifles: All In Short Supply For Army

There are many people in such standing committees, who make statements that have no relation with reality. This is not surprising, given that military men come up with unrealistic expectations, like the original requirements of the Arjun tank.

Yeah I find it funny too. You won't get much out of a big government agency like DRDO sucking on tax payers tits. They spend more time sucking on tits then doing work. The more they suck the less return for tax payers money.

Break it apart and privatize it. Then force them to complete with other companies. They fail they go bankrupt.

There is no private company that can compete with DRDO. Every private company knows that if they invest in R&D like DRDO, they will go bankrupt.

There is always a loss of revenue in R&D. Failure is part of research. Success is built on failures as well.

 

[Hari Sud]

Information casualy obtained can twisted and turned many ways. Our journalists pride themselves with this stupidity.

All stores of previous equipment over a period of time are emptied as requirement materializes. Fresh indent to suppliers are sent for resupply as the former ones are being sent out. This is the, first in- first out, concept in stores management everywhere but our great journalists and keyboard warriors twisted it into, make it look like abnormal phenomenon.

 

[Ankit Purohit]

And shortage of officers and men.

Uncle India NEEDS YOU!

or is it as sad as

Mera to written he clear nahi hua ,Sir Ray.

 

[Ray]

Mera to written he clear nahi hua ,Sir Ray.

It is sad.

Try again.