Mirage upgrade: To be completed within 10 years

[Param]

So mmrca goes to EF right? I liked rafale so much...

 

[ace009]

I would be happy if it wasn't such a sad day.

Why's it a sad day? Do you think this means the Rafale is out and the EF has won?

 

[sukhish]

Why's it a sad day? Do you think this means the Rafale is out and the EF has won?

yes the french rafale is out of MMRCA indeed. EF tycoon will win MMRCA. french are just for business, they are not reliable. they can sell their rafale's to pakistan. also EF has far superior technologies and they willing to go extra mile with ToT.

 

[vishal_lionheart]

Whats the heck ? we are doinf 400% costly upgrade ? valuable fund of our air force now going to waste. I heard that every air force officer and pilot take OATH for country. Is there any patriotic officer who stand against this deal and have a guts to fight against corrupt system. For sake of our country.... we Netizens are ready to raise the voice against this deal...

JAI HIND

 

[warriorextreme]

can't we buy new jets in same amount?

 

[thakur_ritesh]

Why's it a sad day? Do you think this means the Rafale is out and the EF has won?

quite possible because of the blasts that happened in mumbai last evening.

anyways this deal could do a 4b usd.

Taking into account $1 billion for new weapons and another $500 million for new facilities at Bangalore-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the upgrade, the cost could rise to close to $4 billion, defence ministry officials said.

Government okays $2.4 bn Mirage-2000 upgrade - The Economic Times

after having doled out a near 4b usd on the french through this deal, will we be ready to shell out much more on the very same country in a quick succession and that too on a country which doesnt have a significance similar to what the US or russia have for us, i have my doubts. the politics, if its on play, doesnt add up to going for the french again with a deal that could at the end be to the tune of 15-20b usd, india would rather divide that into four partner nations and enjoy their diplomatic support on crucial issues of significance to us.

spending 4b usd on something the israelis were ready to do for a lot less or the same money could in turn be used to get additional mint fresh rafale but not used like wise dont add up, and it all looks as a case of politics at play here and if so, rafale could well bid a good bye kiss to the mmrca.

 

[vishal_lionheart]

Boyz, say no to m2k upgrade and Big no to greedy French. We should raise our voice and not to keep mum. Also everyone accept the fact, we have played small but valuable role to keep out Americans from Mmrca
competition.
Boyz, now again lets play hard....

JAI HIND

 

[Armand2REP]

Why's it a sad day? Do you think this means the Rafale is out and the EF has won?

Do you not keep up with events? Mumbai bombings ring a bell?

 

[Parthy]

Any other alternates instead of going for this whooping upgrade???

 

[Godless-Kafir]

This deal is a colossal waste, sell the reaming Mirages and raise 2 more billion and ask HAL to make replacement model!

It wont take long, considering they came out with the Sitra from the drawing board to the Jet in just 22 months!

 

[sathya]

we could have done a buy back deal with french ... exchanged mirage to rafale with little more money..
prob wihout tot

 

[JayATL]

there is a good reason for the MOD agreeing to this deal that is being overlooked by everyone who is complaining about this being a bonehead move. I suspect there are some strong hidden details not given, like unknown offsets, benefits for HAL, building of facilities or something that makes this move more attractive for the Indian MOD.

since only 2 upgrades are done in France- there must be some other extremely attractive TOT given on the other upgrades that perhaps would help w/ LCA program that is not talked about. Look, Anthony has been above board and this is not " corrupt babbu deal" or bone head move --- it's too obvious for it too be one and too obvious they have left out some hidden perks, which were worth spending this kind of money on this deal... IMO

 

[ace009]

Do you not keep up with events? Mumbai bombings ring a bell?

Actually saw the news a few minutes after the posting ...

 

[death.by.chocolate]

there is a good reason for the MOD agreeing to this deal that is being overlooked by everyone who is complaining about this being a bonehead move. I suspect there are some strong hidden details not given, like unknown offsets, benefits for HAL, building of facilities or something that makes this move more attractive for the Indian MOD.

since only 2 upgrades are done in France- there must be some other extremely attractive TOT given on the other upgrades that perhaps would help w/ LCA program that is not talked about. Look, Anthony has been above board and this is not " corrupt babbu deal" or bone head move --- it's too obvious for it too be one and too obvious they have left out some hidden perks, which were worth spending this kind of money on this deal... IMO

It is possible the Indians and the French are in cahoots, smart move to overcharge for the Mirage upgrade so that the Rafale can be heavily discounted to become L1 lowest bidder.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Getting a feeling that Rafale is out of race. Why would IAF upgrade Mirages when in same money it can have 20 plus Rafales, specially when France had earlier offered 40 Rafales with 'fast-track' tag? When speedy induction is no problem, Rafale being one of two in M-MRCA left in race and decision expected withing couple of months, why did MoD decided to upgrade old design?

 

[p2prada]

I don't know why, but everybody here is looking at the money aspect while I am looking at the platform aspect. The IAF knows everything about Mirage-2000 and they want to keep that advantage against PAF F-16s.

Upgrading the Mirage-2000s to F-16 Block52 standards is of obvious interest to IAF. We don't want to lose our squadrons for new aircraft unnecessarily as no one will give us 51 aircraft in 3 years over the amount required for the regular MMRCA program.

 

[vishal_lionheart]

Upgrading the Mirage-2000s to F-16 Block52 standards is of obvious interest to IAF. We don't want to lose our squadrons for new aircraft unnecessarily as no one will give us 51 aircraft in 3 years over the amount required for the regular MMRCA program.

The upgrade takes 9 year and other planes like rafale, gripen ng, or F 16 block 70 are best compare to F 16 block 52.
P2prada sir. Please elaborate your view on this...

 

[Archer]

there is a good reason for the MOD agreeing to this deal that is being overlooked by everyone who is complaining about this being a bonehead move. I suspect there are some strong hidden details not given, like unknown offsets, benefits for HAL, building of facilities or something that makes this move more attractive for the Indian MOD.

since only 2 upgrades are done in France- there must be some other extremely attractive TOT given on the other upgrades that perhaps would help w/ LCA program that is not talked about. Look, Anthony has been above board and this is not " corrupt babbu deal" or bone head move --- it's too obvious for it too be one and too obvious they have left out some hidden perks, which were worth spending this kind of money on this deal... IMO

Occams razor man...the IAF said sky is falling PAF is ahead, China already ahead etc...and they got this deal through. Everythings ok except for the 9 year timeframe, which is seriously WTF.
No TOT for LCA etc stated so far. If there was nice stuff to sell the deal, they would have done it. Offsets are anyways a given per DPP so no surprise there. I am a bit cynical about how good it is since even IAF is not tomtomming what is in it, and have just agreed its been cleared. Hope its the RDY2 at that price and not RDY3

 

[sathya]

why Israel is not selected for upgrade though France is the OEM.. it would have been cheaper...

France was offering some thing with MMRCA contract ... does it imply typhoon is going to win?
why would HAL has to spend 500 million on facilities ?

 

[sathya]

DATE:14/07/11
SOURCE:Flight International
India approves long awaited Mirage 2000H upgrade
By Greg Waldron


India will upgrade its Dassault Mirage 2000H strike aircraft after the Cabinet Committee on Security approved the long-anticipated programme.
The Indian air force confirmed widespread reports in the Indian media that the deal has been finalised, but declined to provide specific details on the exact cost or contents of the deal.
The contract is likely to cover upgrades to engines, avionics, navigation systems, mission computers, electronic warfare equipment and the Thales RDY-2 fire control radar.
The work, to be undertaken by Dassault, Thales and Hindustan Aeronautics, will bring India's 51 aircraft to the Mirage 2000-9 standard. The service hopes to add a 20-year lifespan to the aircraft, which were introduced between 1985 and 1989.
Reports suggest the first two Mirages will be upgraded in France, with HAL to upgrade the remainder in India.
India first announced its intention to modernise its Mirages in 2004. The aircraft became popular in the Indian air force after performing well at high altitudes during the Kargil conflict against Pakistan in 1999.

Indian media has consistently pegged the value of the upgrade at $2.2 billion, or roughly $43 million per aircraft. Reports suggest that this figure does not include new weapons, such as the MBDA Mica short-range air-to-air missile. Some estimates put the cost of the weapons package, which the Indian cabinet needs to approve separately, at $700 million.
The deal's price tag had reportedly been a stumbling block to its closure. The plan was largely expected to be signed during visits by French President Nicolas Sarkozy to India in 2008 and 2010, but neither trip produced an agreement.
New Delhi's Mirage upgrade is the latest in a series of major overseas defence aviation purchases. In June, it signed a $4.1 billion order for 10 Boeing C-17 transports. In January 2009, India ordered eight 737-based P-8I Neptune maritime patrol aircraft for $2.1 billion, making it the type's first overseas customer. In late 2008, it also signed up for six Lockheed Martin C-130Js, its first major purchase of US defence equipment in decades.