Mil Mi-26T2 Halo vs Boeing CH47F Chinook

[pmaitra]

Haha! I will post again.

A good read on the history of Rostvertol.

I will ask again, where is the current production facility for Mil-26?

The keyword is 'current.' I am not seeking historical data.

 

[pmaitra]

@asianobserve, what is the relevance of posting pictures of tactical operations, when we are discussing heavy-lift helicopters?

 

[p2prada]

I will ask again, where is the current production facility for Mil-26?

The keyword is 'current.' I am not seeking historical data.

It's there in the "pre-historic" data.

Place called Rostov-on-Don, set up in 1939 and still going strong.

Btw, it is Mi-26, not Mil.

EDIT:
There were plans for overlapping the production lines before Rostvertol and Kamov merged, but they did not. I think the new entity is called Oboronpromcorp. But Rostvertol still makes helicopters at the same place since 1956.

What? Were you hoping it was in the other CIS states?

 

[pmaitra]

It's there in the "pre-historic" data.

Place called Rostov-on-Don, set up in 1939 and still going strong.

Btw, it is Mi-26, not Mil.

EDIT:
There were plans for overlapping the production lines before Rostvertol and Kamov merged, but they did not. I think the new entity is called Oboronpromcorp. But Rostvertol still makes helicopters at the same place since 1956.

What? Were you hoping it was in the other CIS states?

Mi is the short form for Mil, named after Mikhail Mil.

Ok. So it is Rostov. Thanks for the direct answer and for not beating around the bush this time.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

The Brahmand website has also confirmed that Chinook has won the competition and so I request the MODS to allow posting in the thread which is for Chinook wins the deal...... the previous thread in which the posts were said to be blocked till the news is confirmed....

This is the link, please check.....

http://brahmand.com/news/American-Boeing-wins-IAF-heavy-lift-chopper-deal/10331/1/10.html

 

[asianobserve]

@asianobserve, what is the relevance of posting pictures of tactical operations, when we are discussing heavy-lift helicopters?

Those pictures shows the "other" advantages of Chinook over Mi26.

 

[pmaitra]

Those pictures shows the "other" advantages of Chinook over Mi26.

Yeah, I know, but still those "other" advantages are not relevant to heavy lifting. The Mil-26 beats the CH47F in range, carrying capacity, as well as cruise speed. You are arguing just like a common car salesman, who tries to buttress the base price of the car with several unnecessary and irrelevant "packages."

Also, you posted a picture of a arty piece slung under the CH47F. The same thing will go "inside" a Mil-26, thus reducing the aerodynamic drag, and also making the flight safer and more stable.

 

[asianobserve]

Yeah, I know, but still those "other" advantages are not relevant to heavy lifting. The Mil-26 beats the CH47F in range, carrying capacity, as well as cruise speed. Just like a car salesman tried to buttress the base price of the car with several unnecessary and irrelevant "packages."

Also, you posted a picture of a arty piece slung under the CH47F. The same thing will go "inside" a Mil-26, thus reducing the aerodynamic drag, and also making the flight safer and more stable.

Would rather pay for a more expensive machine that can only do 1 thing as against another less expensive machine that can multi-task? I think I read somewhere that an IAF official has remarked that they have also selected the Chinook for its special ops capabilities.

Besides, if India would like to invade some African country the IAF can simply load the Chinook in their C-17s and fly them to their assembly point near the country to be invaded...:thumb:

 

[pmaitra]

Would rather pay for a more expensive machine that can only do 1 thing as against another less expensive machine that can multi-task? I think I read somewhere that an IAF official has remarked that they have also selected the Chinook for its special ops capabilities.

I'd take a master of one trade over a jack of all trades and master of none. Do you understand that you cannot have a baby in one month using 9 women? You cannot carry a BTR-80 using two CH47Fs, but Mil-26 can, inside the fuselage.

Besides, if India would like to invade some African country the IAF can simply load the Chinook in their C-17s and fly them to their assembly point near the country to be invaded...:thumb:

What? India is not the US, with allies and bases sprinkled all over the world. India faces the greatest threat from PRC, and the front is likely to be the Himalayan region, and we need helicopters more than fixed wing aircraft to deploy troops en masse.

 

[asianobserve]

I'd take a master of one trade over a jack of all trades and master of none. Do you understand that you cannot have a baby in one month using 9 women? You cannot carry a BTR-80 using two CH47Fs, but Mil-26 can, inside the fuselage.

Make some sense, but its seems the IAF does not agree with you (it agrees with me)...

 

[pmaitra]

Make some sense, but its seems the IAF does not agree with you (it agrees with me)...

Indeed. Throw a party then.

I doubt it is IAF. It is probably the government and "other" political considerations, like support for UNSC permanent membership, or pressurizing Pakistan, and God knows what, but I am almost certain it's not just about heavy-lift.

 

[asianobserve]

Indeed. Throw a party then.

I doubt it is IAF. It is probably the government and "other" political considerations, like support for UNSC permanent membership, or pressurizing Pakistan, and God knows what, but I am almost certain it's not just about heavy-lift.

Hahaha! I appreciate your stubbornness, but your creating conspiracy theories.

 

[pmaitra]

Hahaha! I appreciate your stubbornness, but your creating conspiracy theories.

Theories they are, and if it is touted heavy-lift, then there is more than what meets the eye.

BTW, "your" is not a contraction of "you are."

 

[asianobserve]

BTW, "your" is not a contraction of "you are."

TY, but that's OT...

 

[Razor]

BTW, "your" is not a contraction of "you are."

I bet it'll soon be though.

 

[p2prada]

Indeed. Throw a party then.

I doubt it is IAF. It is probably the government and "other" political considerations, like support for UNSC permanent membership, or pressurizing Pakistan, and God knows what, but I am almost certain it's not just about heavy-lift.

Huh?

We buy 15 helicopters and we get political advantages right from UNSC to Pakistan? Impossible.

IAF shortlists aircraft and MoD decides the L1 based on costs. Simple as that. If Mi-26 was cheaper, they would have selected it.

India is too big for such small things to be correlated to political gains. I am a CH-47 fan for all the things it can do as compared to the Mi-26.

 

[pmaitra]

Huh?

We buy 15 helicopters and we get political advantages right from UNSC to Pakistan? Impossible.

IAF shortlists aircraft and MoD decides the L1 based on costs. Simple as that. If Mi-26 was cheaper, they would have selected it.

India is too big for such small things to be correlated to political gains. I am a CH-47 fan for all the things it can do as compared to the Mi-26.

CH47F is cheaper so what? It is also smaller, with less capacity, and less range. Of course it should be cheaper. How is that even a price advantage?

You need to do some heavy hauling, and you have a Ural Truck and a small Mahindra Pick-up,and you pick the Mahindra Pick-up because it is cheaper?

 

[asianobserve]

You need to do some heavy hauling, and you have a Ural Truck and a small Mahindra Pick-up,and you pick the Mahindra Pick-up because it is cheaper?

The analogy is not apt, here's more proper:

Ural truck

and

Oshkosh FMTV

Which would you prefer?

 

[pmaitra]

@asianobserve, my analogy is perfectly proper because it highlights the problem of comparing two helicopters that are significantly different in size and capacity.

I do not expect you to understand it though.

 

[sathya]

12 c130j , 22 Apaches , 15 CH 47 , ....

looks like India doing preps only for a limited war..