Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[Dazzler]

so what are you trying to prove?

 

[CCP]

so what are you trying to prove?

Front Armour : Type 99A2>>> leopard 2A6

 

[Dazzler]

Front Armour : Type 99A2>>> leopard 2A6

i said "ROOF" not turrret front, anyways, thanks for sharing, though it is up for debate pretty much

 

[CCP]

i said "ROOF" not turrret

Roof Armour are not much different among all those tank, weak point for all of them.

If one missile can break one of those tanks from it's top, for sure it can do it to the others at the same distance.

 

[Dazzler]

Roof Armour are not much different among all those tank, weak point for all of them.

If one missile can break one of those tanks from it's top, for sure it can do it to the others at the same distance.

you didnt get the point, the pics were solely to demonstrate the difference of roof layers in both tanks, single layer in 99, multiple layers in 99A2. Regarding atgm hitting the roof and banging crew's heads, it is understandable is it not. Even the addition of ERA helps only to an extent in a top attack scenario.

 

[militarysta]

let me help you.


Type 99A2 ( 1000mm)

leopard 2a6 (700mm) look at the empty space

And let me help You:

Leopard-2A5/6 LOS is
840mm + NxRA wedges on fornt (circa 1300-1600mm LOS)

So it's bullshit:

Front Armour : Type 99A2>>> leopard 2A6

Not even mentioned mostly ~500-700mm LOS in turret front in Type-99A2

 

[CCP]

Leopard-2A5/6 LOS is
840mm + NxRA wedges on fornt (circa 1300-1600mm LOS)

any link? how big is the empty space?

 

[CCP]

So it's bullshit:

Not even mentioned mostly ~500-700mm LOS in turret front in Type-99A2

any proof? or you are the bullshit?

 

[militarysta]

any link? how big is the empty space?

all my posts here
my measurments leo-2A4
my article on btvt about leopard-2

enought?
main leopard2 armour have 860-700mm thicknes
betwen 0-35 degree angle from longitiudal turret axis
aditional NxRA armour is between 300-1000mm thick
of course its NxRA armour whit empty space in those wedges
all was posted in this TOPIC on previous 20-40pages
just read them

 

[militarysta]

any proof? or you are the bullshit?

i had posted photo. knowing road diameter (750mm)
was possible to rescale turrent front armour.

all is visible on photp whit measurment...
and its mostly 500-700mm only pick value is about 900mm
but rest 70% turret front area havesmaller thicknes - as mentioned
500-700mm

 

[CCP]

all my posts here
my measurments leo-2A4
my article on btvt about leopard-2

enought?
main leopard2 armour have 860-700mm thicknes
betwen 0-35 degree angle from longitiudal turret axis
aditional NxRA armour is between 300-1000mm thick
of course its NxRA armour whit empty space in those wedges
all was posted in this TOPIC on previous 20-40pages
just read them

1.where the 860-700mm from? you guess?

2.How big the empty space inside? you did not answer.

3 "NxRA armour is between 300-1000mm thick" for what kind of attack? BTW, type 99A2 also has NxRA armour

 

[CCP]

i had posted photo. knowing road diameter (750mm)
was possible to rescale turrent front armour.

all is visible on photp whit measurment...
and its mostly 500-700mm only pick value is about 900mm
but rest 70% turret front area havesmaller thicknes - as mentioned
500-700mm

even, your pic showed :
99A2 ~940mm
99A1 ~520mm

where is your 500-700mm from?

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

can you guys confirm it is T72 and what Mod it is
@militarysta @Damian @CCP

 

[methos]

1.where the 860-700mm from? you guess?

No, he measured it. Unlike you, who simply claim that the armour of the Type 99A2 is thicker without having any source.

can you guys confirm it is T72 and what Mod it is

It is not a T-72, it is a T-55M6. The T-55M6 is a Russian upgrade of the T-55 developed for export; the hull is lenghtened and fitted with new armour (ERA/composite), the turret is replaced by a modified T-72B turret.

 

[CCP]

No, he measured it. Unlike you, who simply claim that the armour of the Type 99A2 is thicker without having any source.

2.How big the empty space inside? you did not answer.

 

[Damian]

2.How big the empty space inside? you did not answer.

It's irrelevant, because empty space also can be good for armor protection. If there is empty space, the shaped charge jet can be further disturbed by air and it will erode quicker thus having lower penetration capabilities.

There are many unconvetional ways to increase vehicle protection, for example fuel and fuel tanks can be used as additional armor.

The fact is a fact, you wrote complete nonsense, ZTZ-99 tanks does not have thicker armor than other tanks, the avarage thickness is around 700mm, which is still a good result.

Seriously, don't try to be smarter than engineers and nations that have much longer experience in development of special armors and non conventional protection sollutions than PRC.

 

[methos]

2.How big the empty space inside? you did not answer.

The wedges in front of the Leopard 2A5 are about 700 mm thick according to a former German tanker. He also provided pretty accurate values for the rest of the tank which are very close to the measured armour thickness. The wedges consist of two layers of non-explosive reactive armour (NERA/NxRA/SLERA) which are together about 190 to 200 mm thick based on the assumption that the total wedge thickness is 700 mm.

The 860 mm thick composite armour (800 mm and 60 mm backplate) from the photographs posted above is still behind the wedges. So the armour has a maximum thickness of way above 1000 mm including some empty space for the disruptive effect of the reactive armour to take place. Your proclaimed Type 99 armour thickness is so still lower than that of a Leopard 2A5/2A6 tank and is of highly questionable origin.

 

[CCP]

 

[militarysta]

Two version: LQ and HQ:

As we can see:

ZTZ-99G have on 40% forntal hight LOS equal to 840-1000mm , but on 16% area it's 700-800mm, and on 44% area LOS is equal to under 640mm what today is definetly not enought.
Becouse un mantled mask area (and main sight area) in ZTZ-99G is weaker to,then - more then 50-55% of fornatl ZTZ-99G area have LOS under 640-600mm.

 

[Damian]

So this new Chinese tank have very inconsistent front turret protection.