Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[Andrei_bt]

 

[p2prada]

Then the Indian tanks were fitted with the oldest export 2A46 from the T-72. In terms of quality this version is worse than even the earliest Soviet ones, being only capable to fire 81 - 87 APFSDS rounds prior the accuracy dropped significantly due to excessive barrel wear. But that would be 300 - 350 EFC and this gun should not be able to fire "modern" APFSDS ammunition like the Isreali M711 or the 3BM-17 Mango round from Russia.

The one supplied to us may have been monkey models.

No. Proof pressure is not 25 - 30% more than the maximum chamber pressure. If the maximum chamber pressure is exceeded, the barrel will deform and/or the chamber will break. Once the maximum chamber pressure is exceeded, the gun cannot be used effectively in combat anymore.

Then what is proof pressure?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Only few original T-72M1 from Soviet had what your are referring..

Rest are armed with ARDE design 125mm cannon, Based on 2A46 ( Had TOT issue even back then ) 250 EFC ..

Then the Indian tanks were fitted with the oldest export 2A46 from the T-72. In terms of quality this version is worse than even the earliest Soviet ones, being only capable to fire 81 - 87 APFSDS rounds prior the accuracy dropped significantly due to excessive barrel wear. But that would be 300 - 350 EFC and this gun should not be able to fire "modern" APFSDS ammunition like the Isreali M711 or the 3BM-17 Mango round from Russia.

 

[Damian]

1-st Thai Oplot rooll out

Almost ready tank on factory -

Notice multy layer ERA on teurret

Тайцы пощупали свой первый «Оплот» - MediaPort

Andrei, it seems that BM "Oplot" for Thailand have some sort of small design modifications, I am right? FOr example it seems that the ERA modules covers are not mounted in all places?

 

[hest]

Good news, powerfull machine.

it seems that BM "Oplot" for Thailand have some sort of small design modifications, I am right? FOr example it seems that the ERA modules covers are not mounted in all places?

They seem to be in place on the finished one.

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan is likely to import this system from serbia which has a 25km range,penetration power of 800mm of rha.and controlled like a UAV

so how good this would be against heavy tanks like arjun?
Are such system good enough against tanks?

ALAS (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Damian]

If it have top-attack capability it might be effective, also if it is controlled like UAV, it's operator can guide it in to a weak zone of vehicle. But of course, then again such weak zone or turret/hull roof can be reinforced or vehicle can be equiped with active protection system.

There is no perfect solution.

 

[The Last Stand]

The one supplied to us may have been monkey models.

T-72M was given to us.

 

[The Last Stand]

Pakistan is likely to import this system from serbia which has a 25km range,penetration power of 800mm of rha.and controlled like a UAV

so how good this would be against heavy tanks like arjun?
Are such system good enough against tanks?

ALAS (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Source for this fact? I have not heard of any exports to Pakistan so far.

Penetration of 800 mm RHA, does not mean penetration of 800 mm LOS composite armour. As @militarysta and @Damian have mentioned so many times, penetration reduces drastically against composite armour for HEAT warheads. And we still don't know much about what warhead this missile has.

And Arjun isn't a heavy tank. It is a MBT. I don't see why you keep calling western style tanks as heavy and eastern as medium

 

[p2prada]

T-72M was given to us.

Monkey model though.

 

[farhan_9909]

Source for this fact? I have not heard of any exports to Pakistan so far.

Penetration of 800 mm RHA, does not mean penetration of 800 mm LOS composite armour. As @militarysta and @Damian have mentioned so many times, penetration reduces drastically against composite armour for HEAT warheads. And we still don't know much about what warhead this missile has.

And Arjun isn't a heavy tank. It is a MBT. I don't see why you keep calling western style tanks as heavy and eastern as medium

i will post the news later which included the pak will most likely import ALAS,Lazar,artillary and few more.

Deal for lazar is already signed

 

[The Last Stand]

i will post the news later which included the pak will most likely import ALAS,Lazar,artillary and few more.

Deal for lazar is already signed

Likely. Emphasis on this word "Likely"

Just as it was likely for IA to import AMX-40. Look what happened to that.

Deal for Lazar has been signed, yes.

 

[The Last Stand]

Monkey model though.

Maybe it was 'M' for monkey. T-72M was *the* worst T-72 variant ever.

 

[farhan_9909]

Likely. Emphasis on this word "Likely"

Just as it was likely for IA to import AMX-40. Look what happened to that.

Deal for Lazar has been signed, yes.

checkout my previous comment.i said pakistan will likely to import ALAS.

anyway a new ATGM with very few specs revealed was tested in 2010 dec..the news only said it has automatic guidense and greater ranged compared to Wire guided Baktar shiken
could be a third generation atgm

 

[The Last Stand]

@farhan_9909,

Souces would be nice.

Otherwise you are meaninglessly speculating.

 

[farhan_9909]

@farhan_9909,

Souces would be nice.

Otherwise you are meaninglessly speculating.

Pak claims test firing of new anti-tank missile - Hindustan Times

Daily Times quoting Pakistani Army officials claimed that with the successful test firing at the Tilla range, "Pakistan has taken an edge over the rivals in conventional warfare".

Kyodo said Khan Research Laboratory, named after disgraced nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, developed an anti-tank missile in the early 1990s using a remote-controlled, wire-guided system with a 3,000-metre range

But authoritative sources told Kyodo News the version of anti-tank missile tested on Sunday is equipped with an automatic guidance system, without wires, and has a greater range.

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There was one other jang news source in urdu which claimed the authorities to be from NESCOM/GIDS.
but not able to find now..which confirms that this has nothing to do with older Baktar shiken manufactured by KRL from licence by china.

 

[The Last Stand]

Pak claims test firing of new anti-tank missile - Hindustan Times

I asked for a source, which states you have bought ALAS missile, or you have negotiations. Period. Your lack of comprehension, is, disturbing or is it the fact that you are running away from my questions.

 

[methos]

Maybe it was 'M' for monkey. T-72M was *the* worst T-72 variant ever.

T-72M (Obj. 172M-E2) is not the worst, it already got LRF. The earlier T-72 export version (Obj. 172M-E) still had an optical rangefinder and was generally less capable when it comes to fire control.
I have heard that there was also a qualitative difference between the T-72Ms delivered to Warsaw Pact countries and those delivered to third world countires.

 

[The Last Stand]

I have heard that there was also a qualitative difference between the T-72Ms delivered to Warsaw Pact countries and those delivered to third world countires.

Same here.

And seemingly, we third world countries received the worst tech SU had on offer.

Perhaps you have more details on these differences? I suppose the gun barrel, autoloader, engine etc. were degraded.

 

[farhan_9909]

I asked for a source, which states you have bought ALAS missile, or you have negotiations. Period. Your lack of comprehension, is, disturbing or is it the fact that you are running away from my questions.

Well i had already told you i will post it later.

your this comment didnt mentioned anything about this new atgm or ALAS


your post

@farhan_9909,

Souces would be nice.

Otherwise you are meaninglessly speculating.

anyway let me post the source

Pakistani delegation visits the Republic of Serbia
The delegation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, headed by the Federal Minister of Defence Syed Naveed Qamar, continued yesterday its visit to the Republic of Serbia by visiting units and establishments of the Ministry of Defence and the Serbian Armed Forces.

On this occasion, at the Rectorate of the University of Defence they were presented the role and tasks of this military and scientific institution, as well as the capacity of the Military Academy. The guests were welcomed by Assistant Minister for Defence Policy Miroslav Jovanovic and Rector of the University of Defence Lieutenant General Prof. Dr. Miodrag Jevtic, accompanied by his close associates. General Jevtic briefed the Pakistani delegation about the University of Defence, and then the Commandant of the Military Academy Major General Prof. Dr. Mladen Vuruna presented the capabilities of the Military Academy, with emphasis on Command Staff and General Staff College, as well as other forms of education.

At the Military Technical Institute, Director of the Institute, Colonel Zoran Rajic, Assistant Professor, presented this scientific and research institution and opportunities for possible cooperation, after which the guests visited the wind tunnel and other facilities.

The delegation of the Pakistani Federal Ministry of Defence was then received by the Special Brigade Commander Brigadier in Pancevo Brigadier General Ilija Todorov. The capabilities and methods of training for antiterrorist teams counter-subversion protection, the release of hostages, training in shooting and taking over the space and the technical display of arms and military equipment used by this elite unit was also presented..

Activities within the programme of the visit of Pakistani delegation were completed by visiting the Technical Test Centre and the standing exhibition of arms and military equipment in Nikinci. Blatantly-navigation systems, 155 mm NORA and 122 mm SOKO self-propelled artillery systems, LAZAR multipurpose armoured fighting vehicle, ALAS missile system, and the possibility of cooperation in the modernization of helicopters and armoured fighting vehicles were presented.

Visit by the Federal Minister of Defence of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan Syed Naveed Qamar is to be finished today after the planned talks with the Prime Minister Ivica Dacic, and Minister of Foreign Affairs Jovan Mrkic.