Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[Damian]

The funny thing is that people do not see that even tandem warheads become obsolete against modern armor protection.

Bhadra You seems to know very little about armor development do You?

Ukrainians with their limited budget were capable to design rather light, yet very effective cumulative ERA Knife and it's multilayer version Dublet.

In fact HEAT warheads effectiveness depends mostly on their size, it means that to defeat modern protection, they need to become bigger and bigger, making them inefficent weapon, huge, bulky, heavy. And to make them effective You need to make them a top attack weapon, this means more electronics making them more expensive.

The other funny thing is that advance in materials development, use of nano technology, can reduce tank weight, without sacrificing it's protection.

The fact is simple, all these high tech weapons fanboys do not understand that tank is far more advanced than their beloved and primitive toys, and more versatile.

Of course You can still destroy a tank, but tank can be destroyed by less means, than a lightly armored coffin.

 

[hest]

Another photo of ob.195 (T-95) appeared:

Note what possibly is a radar, part of FCS in test configuration.

Armata for comparison, features a more compact radar, but it may be different.

This is not future MBT by UKBTM, but "Artillery combat module" designed by KBTM Omsk as a sort of assault, support tank.

 

[Damian]

This radar might be advanced muzzle reference sensor, to track projectiles trajectory and increase FCS corrections capabilities.

Or UVZ designed analog to US SAVA modular vehicles electronics that also had a radar device as a one of several means to detect targets.

 

[hest]

Something that bulky as in T-95 cannot be intented only for measurement of projectile velocity, it has to have more functions... it is test configuration and it is not representative, but still.

Use of radar for aquisition and tracking is not new (for example Khrizantema), but I do not think it should have more importance, than auxiliary sensor in FCS.

Because tank should not emit any radiation which may discover him to the enemy (radar waves which could be detected by enemy sensor in future tanks, and alert them of being tracked, with consequent countermeasures and disruption).

 

[Damian]

It also might not be a radar at all, but just a box with some test sensors installed there.

 

[Damian]

South Korean K1, with loaders 105mm ammo ready rack. Rest of ammunition is stored next to driver.

Not only USA had it's VISMOD vehicles for training. Warsaw Pact countries also had theirs.

M48/M60

Leopard 1

Leopard 2

M1 Abrams

 

[hest]

Re-designed active protection system Arena-E:

Represented in T-90S model:

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[militarysta]

Trends are clear, light or heavy, tank is a armour Coffin aginst multitude of Anti Tank weapons...... specially against tendom warheads

It's not true. In fact its one of the most stupid posts here.

 

[Akim]

Not only USA had it's VISMOD vehicles for training. Warsaw Pact countries also had theirs.

M48/M60

Leopard 1

Leopard 2

M1 Abrams

It all is models, on the base of soviet tanks. You will turn attention on the skating rinks of Т- 55, Т- 72 and IS- 2.

 

[Damian]

It all is models, on the base of soviet tanks. You will turn attention on the skating rinks of Т- 55, Т- 72 and IS- 2.

Yes I know, in english it is called a VISMOD (Visual Modification).

 

[Akim]

Here photo fire of tank of Т-80UD 125-mm round from distance 100 meters.

A tank left independently.
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga2004/caleidoscope/0_tank_04.htm

 

[Bhadra]

It's not true. In fact its one of the most stupid posts here.

You are no judge on studity or even on tank....

 

[Damian]

Ok gentlemen, fresh photos from preparations on MSPO 2012 exhibition.

Przygotowania do Salonu Przemysłu Obronnego - zdjęcie nr 14 - 30 sierpnia 2012

Sorry for only link, not photos, they are on the linked site.

What we can see among many, are KMW and Rhinemetall Leopard 2A4 upgrades proposals. One of them might end as a future Leopard 2PL.

 

[Damian]

Some interesting photos from Ukraine, showing T-80UD and T-84 series development (prototypes?) and some other lighter vehicles in storage base, there is also upgraded T-55.

 

[Damian]

This is interesting, it seems that one of these Object's 478DU, the one on the right behind small tree, do not have standard T-80/84 suspension system, but suspension system from T-64 series.

 

[Akim]

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On a picture BMP- 3 stands in the background. In Ukraine they were taken off from an armament in 1996.

 

[average american]

The battleship USS Missouri was active until 1992 but it was obsolete by 1942. Same for tanks, its not only that cheaper technology can defeat tanks, but that they can do it enmass.. No matter the Armour, no matter the defensive systems, there are going to be cheaper technological weapons that are cheaper and more powerful. Tanks will be with us for years to come but their day has passed.

 

[hest]

Ok gentlemen, fresh photos from preparations on MSPO 2012 exhibition.

Przygotowania do Salonu Przemysłu Obronnego - zdjęcie nr 14 - 30 sierpnia 2012

Sorry for only link, not photos, they are on the linked site.

What we can see among many, are KMW and Rhinemetall Leopard 2A4 upgrades proposals. One of them might end as a future Leopard 2PL.

It would be better, and more interesting if Leopard 2 upgrade was performed with Polish work and developements, to some extent, but seems they even do not have such capability, and they want to design and produce new future plattform... Polish will be only hull ??

 

[Akim]

Tanks will be with us for years to come but their day has passed.

And is an alternative by him?

 

[militarysta]

It would be better, and more interesting if Leopard 2 upgrade was performed with Polish work and developements, to some extent, but seems they even do not have such capability, and they want to design and produce new future plattform... Polish will be only hull ??

There is no law possibilities to made Leopard-2 mod without KMW or Rheinmetall cooperation.