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It was Sinhale before secularist changed it into Sri Lanka
Mahinda Rajapaksa Is A Sinhalese Extremist – Lee Kuan Yew
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I am sorry that you did not understand that by 'freak' , I meant any old Joe with or without intelligence.
If it has caused you discomfort, I apologise.
India is not pushing for the 13th.
It is already a SL Parliament Act.
It concerns India because if the Tamils of SL are happy as SRi Lankans with equal opportunities, then they will not flood India as refugees, and further, if normalcy returns to SL, it is to India's advantage.
Dalits vote. Dalits become Chief Ministers and Ministers. Dalits have become millionaires.
So, what are you talking about I have not understood!
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Did it not?
Since you do not know Indian history, one cannot fault you for not knowing!
Britain left since after the War, they were a bankrupt nation and could not fight Indian nationalism any more!
Must I go over as to who are the original people of Sri Lanka?Sinhalese are the original inhabitants of the island it's not going to change how hard you jumped.kudos.
You all, who claims so vociferously, are imported.
And quite a few are rejects of their original homeland!
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That was so in India also.
Yet, intelligence cannot be capped and the non Christians also excelled.
The Buddhists of Sri Lanka did not take advantage in the similar manner as the Muslims of India, who were sulking since they were the rulers before the British.
AMU was an attempt to even out, but one University was not enough!
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FYI. First it was the Colonial rulers of Portuguese and Dutch who have introduced the modern schooling system to Sri Lanka. That was also first to Jaffna where the people accepted Portuguese as their overloads quicker than Sinhalese and then to the coastal belt where Catholicism and Christianity were the entry requirements. These policies effectively cut any opportunities for the Buddhists and Hindus living in Sri Lanka.
Education in Sri Lanka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Then came the British and they implemented new schooling system. This was mainly based around Colombo, Kandy, Galle and Jaffna targeting the elite of the every ethnicity This schooling system benefited only to the elite. It was then said that the elite schools were creating the leaders while other schools creating servants. These policies effectively barred any progress in the majority Sinhalese society who lived in the interior of the country and having no money.
Education in Sri Lanka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Moreover the Jaffna Tamils who were having a long time benefit of a proper educational system thanks to Dutch and Portuguese were immensely helped the British when they seek people for doing jobs like Clerks. This began the long era of Tamil dominance in Sri Lankan civil service. These same people claimed they were being discriminated in 1956 Sinhala only act.
They should have known that only they prospered over the systematic negligence of the education for the Sinhalese majority
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No sir it's ok.
However I should mention that there are no freaks in Sri Lankan political leadership for the past 60 or so years because Sri Lankan people choose wisely. If you have a personal issue with any leader you should point out the facts other wise calling them freaks.
Then we will do what ever we like with it.
What is Indian politicians specially in Tamilnadu know about Tamils living in Sri Lanka. You believe in a utopian scenario where Sinhalese kill Tamils and Tamils live in utter disarray like the 1947 communal riots in India. First you should understand is Sri Lankan people is not like Indian people. We do not extricate in open spaces neither kill other ethncities just because there were some crisis. The best example is the 1998 bombing of the Dalada Maligawa in Kandy.
As you can see the damage was extensive but no Sinhalese went rampage for revenge. We are so civilized people. There fore we do not need tuition from India for communal harmony.
So India should let Sri Lanka do what ever Sri Lanka wants because Sri Lanka takes decision for her own good. If those decision sprout bad consequences for India then the both nations can sort it out through dialog.
I am talking about the Tamil dalits whose right were secured by the 1957 social securities act. Why high cast Tamils opposed it and created a anti Sinhala sentiment for the Sinhala only act and the "Sri" letter for vehicle number plates after that?
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[B]Wow! How erudite! I seriously needed a dictionary to understand what you said. English Language Entry exams for Indian army must be of such super quality! Between were you using a dictionary or your grandson's literature text book? [/B]
Anyway you don't need to use such heavy words, use normal English that is normally used in forums. Because what matters is giving your feed back or opinion in a manner that is constructive to the argument that is going on. Hanging on to such rarely used lexicon means one is just feeling uneasy or intimidated by the conversation and has NO point to say or gets no point of what is being discussed.
I can already imagine an old man trembling his fingers and torturing his key pad.
Regarding your point,
Just because an issue that is not "laudatory" is being discussed anyone cannot be racist towards that country. And speaking about not 'laudatory' issues, every country has not laudatory issues. And there is no country in the world that can point to another country.
For example, india is a country that is infested with a caste system that runs still to this day, acute gender discrimination that you people are responsible for the murder of 50 million girls for the only reason of not having a p-enius, child marriages. And murderous race riots in Mumbai, Gujarat doesn't really add value to you. The destruction of Khalistani movement was extremely bloody and the handling of Nagaland, Kashmir, and the recent riots in Assam, Occasional caste riots in TN, Violence against Christians at some parts are not laudatory as well. But I don't talk about them because I believe sane Indians are capable of handling them and I will not create prejudices about india looking at them.
Also just because one is blinded by propaganda, filled with hatred and racism and having ulterior motives wouldn't warrant a person to disregard any reasoning or explanations as dubious. It just brings out the immature racist idiot in a person.
So Dadaji read what I type with a sane mind and counter argue in a logical manner without pasting loads of articles from propaganda sites.
Well we're not making a family discussion about Bandaranaike here and the point you needed to make was that he was a Christian who converted to Buddhism. You can mention that (actually you did mention it) simply and writing his whole name is not necessary. Are you trying to say that the non SLn members here are so tube light that repetition is necessary?
Between I have nothing against you writing his whole name, I just thought it is making a boring post longer. Also mentioning the whole name indicates you are being uneasy with what you say (which of course gives me immense pleasure).
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You mean to say Indians were bad at geography and good in mythology?
There isn't anything to realize that SL is an island, every Tom and Dick good in geography knows SL is an island. It is a fact not a something to be realized. And of course SL is a small country and we don't really influence on the world except in the rare instances of British using SL in WW1 to command war and western powers using SL to control india. At least it is important enough that another country has been grateful enough to open a thread on our country in its defence forum where its erudite members are giving hair splitting arguments.
And I fail to understand how this is relevant to the topic we are discussing.
How SL stands in the world does not have a say on this topic. It just shows the one who is making that statement is insecure and suffers from inferiority complex.
Buddhists will always have a clout over SL as long as they are numerical superior. Clout is not something necessarily bad it just means you have influence. It is the same as Hindu's having a clout in India, Catholics having a clout in US or Ireland, Christians having a clout in UK. What is bad is doing unreasonable things with the clout you have.
Unlike in india, people in SL don't take mythology seriously. Though we have few nut cases like that this is a very stupid view held by a very few number of Sinhalese. Actually I don't know whether this is mentioned even in Mahavamsa. What matters is this is not a widely held belief and in no way affected the topic we are discussing.
Thank you for your Buddhism lesson Dadaji.
And can you please tell me, a single country which has been practicing according to the ideals of the religions they are professing to practice. I have seen numerous amounts of child sex cases by Hindu monks in India and would I be correct in coming to the conclusion that there must be something intrinsically wrong in the Hinduism in India that makes them vulgar? Like I said once SL is a third world country (like yours) and corruption is a problem. So we have corrupted individuals in almost all the fields and religion is not an exception. There are monks into politics (which is rejected by many ppl) and some are racist, some are Marxist, some are business mined, some don't know what they are doing. So it is a mix bag.
We don't have enough evidence (according to archeologists) to say what religion was practiced in Pre Buddhist Sri Lanka. As many historians suggest there is high probability that pre Buddhist SLns have been pagan and we do still have some pagan elements in religious culture. No wonder that religion in SL could have been influenced by India at that time. But we can safely say that pre Buddhist SLns were not Hindu.
The oldest hindu structure to be found in SL date back to 12 AD in Polonnaruwa Kingdom. Anuradhapura was the first known kingdom and it did NOT have any Hindu structure. The main method that Hinduism had entered SL was by Chola invasions. Anuradhapura kingdom shows NO Hindu elements while the Hindu influence had increased on SL culture with time, reaching its peak in Kandy kingdom. And there was no mention of what was the religion of King Dewanampiyathissa is. Before you get more into this muddy water let me tell you South India and its people were Buddhists and Jains before they became Hindus. So don't come with the stupid argument that SL has to be Hindu as it was in close proximity to Hindu South India.
Of course Buddhism died in India and many Buddhist monks were persecuted in India. And south indian Buddhists might have come to SL seeking refuge. It may have influenced Chola invasions to SL. And of course Buddhist monks in SL came up with a strategy to protect their religion and I see nothing wrong in that. They defended their right to religion and their land against invasions.
Actually you are getting more into muddy water. Buddhism was under attack in India much before Dhatusena became a king in SL. So there is no chance that Dhatusena was witnessing an attack against Buddhism in India. And monks didn't create a Sinhala race. It was naturally formed by different people from different places integrating and evolving. This was facilitated by absorbing the immigrants from india and it was a natural process like every ethnicity is formed. The motive (as understood by historians) of writing Mahavamsa was to record the deeds of the kings. Like these days these monks has had their favorite kings and they have written them to admire and tell the good deeds of their favorite kings. In Mahavamsa, the favorite king was Dutugemunu where a disproportionate part of it describes his heroics. Also Mahavamsa has no single author, though it was initiated by Ven.Mahanama many monks have contributed towards it. The site you copied this stuff hasn't mentioned that.
You cannot simply create a race like that. It is a race that had its initial immigration from india, mixed with people living in SL and evolving into Sinhala people. You can learn the evolvement of Sinhala language and there are many evidences island wide.
Also remember none of us are historians and I really do not see a point in debating over SL history with a Indian military man in an indian defence forum. Were you trying to say Sinhala is a race created by a set of monks to safeguard Buddhism and therefore it does not have a standing to talk about its heritage in SL? If that was your idea, sirji I am showing my third finger at you.
Also Maitreya Buddha doesn't come after 5000 years. Please choose a different propaganda site for your daily dose of racism.
Whether Vijaya is mythical or not is not for you or any computer pundits to decide. Historians do not discard Vijaya story and DNA analysis suggest large scale immigration from Bengal.
So what is the problem? Every country has or had some form of a meta physical belief that unites them and make them patriotic as a society. It is how societies did work and some still operate. For example don't you have in india 'sare jahan achcha hamara hindu"¦', though it is nowhere close to reality. So the same way SL too did have one and there is nothing wrong in it as it is natural. And Mahawamsa does not mentions Sinhalese as Buddha's chosen people. Religion had an important place in ancient civilizations. So national unity or identity was influenced by religion. It is the case for many ancient religion.
For example in Cambodia, another Buddhist country they too have a one similar to Country- Race- Religion where race is replaced by King. That is a method of assuring allegiance and dwelling in it more is stupid.
And no it has no relevance into a Unitary state. Whether a federal state will be allowed or not is solely for the people in SL to decide and that will be decided taking into consideration SL's defence, security, sovereignty. Just because some old man in a neighboring country is eager to see federalism in SL it doesn't work like that. It is especially hilarious coming from a guy who is living in a country that practices a quasi federal system.
Political Buddhism in SL or whatever it is, is solely the problem of Slns. Also there is nothing called political Buddhism what we have is monks getting into politics which is not appreciated by the majority of SLns. There is nothing about a superiority complex but more like protecting their religion from a perceived threat real or imagined.
Seriously what do you ppl know abt Sunday schools in SL? Mahavamsa is a history book and we needn't Sunday school to learn abt Mahavamsa it is taught in History classes. Not only Mahavamsa, deepavamsa historical documents from other countries, writing on stone pillars are also discussed in History. Actually you ppl too are learning Mahavamsa too in India
There is no perception among the majority that Tamils do not belong here. But it is a fact that successive kingdoms in SL had to face invasions from Tamils. And Dutugemunu didn't chase Tamils. How can he chase Tamils it is said he even had Tamils who were supportive of him. And who is talking about throwing away Christians? SL is not India and we people do not identify ourselves based on religion. Christians can be Sinhala. How can we throw out a part of our own family?
It is in india that people identify with religion like Muslim, Hindu, Christian. In SL it is the races like Tamil, Sinhala, Moor, Malay, Burgher. You really don't know what you are talking about. Next time chose a better site to copy paste.
What Sarath Fonseka said was rejected by the gov and he was under media criticism for that for a very long time. I don't say we don't have lunatics who think like that, but that number is very small. In SL many Sinhalese accept that 56 language policy was wrong and gov's scrapping of Tamil Language national anthem is also wrong. As I said earlier this government has done good things and bad things.
At least he confronted with his enemy without running away.
You don't need to teach me SL history, I am well aware of it. In a previous comment I mentioned 56 language policy and several other acts by a gov especially Bandaranaike gov was instrumental in leading to distrust between Sinhalese and Tamils. That was in 56 and during that time Blacks were not even allowed to enter a bus that has white passengers. The world was a different place then. But countries evolve and they correct their wrong policies. That is how countries evolve. A small social science lesson for the old man.
Buddhism was attacked and trampled by the colonial powers and after 100 years of colonialism, Buddhists were feeling being trodden. SWRD used that and whipped up communal feelings and used it for his own success. Also the rural mass in the country were struggling by economic policies of the previous UNP gov cos they removed many subsidies. There were true grievences on the part of the rural masses. Bandaranaike was an opportunistic who used that, just like Prabha was an opportunistic racist who used the grievances of Tamil people.
Making Sinhala official language is not wrong but a right step to answer these grievances. But what went wrong was not making Tamil an official language too. And that has been corrected now. Got it?
Another thing was this didn't make a Tamil deprived of any other rights except language rights. Tamils could do businesses, excel in any field they work and live as fellow citizens given that they learn Sinhala(which is wrong). But there was never an apartheid like situation many people try to show.
Throughout the history of the world there have been many minorities who had to face far worse policies but eventually with patience and clever strategic thinking these people achieved it. Tamils didn't use that.
It seems though Indian Army has good standard for entry level English, they haven't thought of IQ that much. If you can read what you pasted here, you will understand that foreign minister has simply met and discussed with the prelates. And uncle Ray it is a PR move. MR doesn't do what prelates or any religious man wants, he does what he wants.
And how is foreign minister meeting with Prelates proves that one MUST get blessing and MUST be a Buddhist to become country's head? Running out of arguments?
No it just shows you don't actually read what you paste, idiot!
How can I fool the foolish?
Of course you are not lazy, it is just you have a bad IQ that you cant understand what is being discussed. May be the age is catching up with you.Please understand that we are not totally illiterate or lazy as some people are!
Stop being lazy and get your facts right!
If you don't bore your posts with wikepedia and other site's posts , I can try not feeling bored and lazy.
But Uncle Ray Ceylon newspapers does NOT mention anything like that. It is just that an official of the gov is meeting a top monk. The same way they meet the prelates they go and meet the top Catholic monk in SL. They are just PR moves to hoodwink the public. So don't jump already you haven't proved anything old hag!
So you are unsure of the very thing you posted early
. Are you saying you yourself do not believe in your own point? Uncle Ray, Christians are either Sinhala or tamil. Of course Sinhala people will have a larger influence of selecting a head just like Hindus in India would have a larger influence. You cant change that, SL is largely Sinhalese. What do you know of Buddhists in SL? Militant? My a**. The militants went down 2009. And if we have another set of militants Buddhists or whatever they too will go down.
Of course Bandaranaike was being opportunistic. And I suggest you reading my comments again as I see you have a difficulty in comprehending an idea. I don't think people voted him essentially because of his religion but because they promised to give prominence to Sinhala language. If you check Peter Kenneman was also a minister in his cabinet who was a burgher elected by Sinhala people. Because he too promised what Banda did.
And what wisdom !
LOL
And read what I previously, it seems Banda is the only argument you have.
I asked you why you specifically mentioned his religion. This is what you said "Kadirgamar, a tamil christian", as if he is less of a Tamil because of his religion. Don't try to change goal posts men. And he was not denied post because of his ethnicity but because MR wanted to become the next PM. It wont matter whether Kadir is a Tamil or Sinhala, MR would have done it to secure his place.
And what do you talk about he was denied the post? He was the distinguished FM of SL then who commanded so much respect from Sinhala and Muslim people. FM in a country is a prestigious job. Now don't come with another ridiculous twist of what you said, but read what I typed and U typed before that. So you wont be changing goal posts.
Nothing in SL is yours and SL doesn't consider you as ours. So you needn't get insulted by our wounds. I believe you Indians have enough to take care of. SL as a society was not racist. Unlike in India, caste system has gone down, gender discrimination has being tackled effectively, inter racial and inter religious marriages are becoming more and more common.
Also apart from SL you've a lot to be ashamed of Mr. Ray, even in this thread
So you accept that you could not prove that SL constitution doesn't restrict a person of non Buddhist faith in becoming Head of state and that was just a silly point thrown our without any evidence. Unless you would not come up with that. :d.
Between you don't have to be manipulative or Machiavellian in order to make SL head a Buddhist, you just have to vote for a Buddhist man. It is that simple. Idiot!
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You have NOT answered any of the points I raised in my previous comments. You said SL gov abrogating 13 A. I said how do you say that? You didn't reply.
In comment 66 I asked you 3 questions, you conveniently missed two of them. And I believe you have nothing else to say about Lee Kuan Yew as it was the main topic that triggered this conversation.
And about English lexicon, of course it is very impressive. I think it as an honor that there is a fellow South Asian with such erudite English. Actually you are in the wrong field, Mr. Ray with your imaginative skills and good English you could have written stories like Harry Porter.
Then the world would not be talking about J.K Rowling from britian but a certain RAYling from India.
You meant stock right?
Nice to know you have such nice hair. So the old saying that says balding brings wisdom and maturity has some truth in it.
Ok sir! If you can give me your email, I can nominate you for a Sunsilk advertisement. You seem to have the skill for it.
Before talking about differences mister Ray, wouldn't it be better if you grow some balls and argue in a forum without deactivating the profile of the other person you are arguing with.
It goes against the democracy and basic sense of decency and as a man representing your country's army, it is belittling.
It is kinda gay!
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Dont you think counter arguing me would be better rather than piggy backing Ray
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Hey coconut dweller, from where you got that I am piggy backing Ray ?
I have made my point clear about your nation many a time here in this forum in many previous threads.
I was clear on my disgust about LTTE and was very blunt from where your nation crossed the lines on Chinese dictation. It has become laborious and boring to to entertain every rag tag Sinhala racist who start with a premiss that SL tamils are not natives should be treated like second class citizens, heck your nation is treating them as speak the same. I know how many Hindu temples have been bombed by Sinhalas and what not. So don't try to fool me.
Go to Chinese or Pakistani forums they will love to side with you unconditionally.
First, there is nothing called 'coconut dweller' Were you trying to say coconut plucker? You should know these things with RAYling in your side.
what you said previously does not matter me. A man should be able to defencd his point if he has facts with him. Only the ones with weak arguments would run away like that cos they rely on propaganda.
LTTE is disgusting, any man with little bit of sanity cannot feel the other way...And abt crossing lines, did the SLG know you are blunt on crossing lines on chinese dictation. I see SLG and SLA must have been confident after knowing some indian in an indianforum is going to be blunt on our chinese relationship.
And dont talk about things I didnt say....where did I say Tamils are not natives? And that they should be treated like 2nd class? ..just becasue you cant debate the points I raised dont put words in my mouth and accuse me of something I didnt say.
Not only Hindu temples almost all the buildings were damaged during war time. Becasue LTTE terrorist hide inside these buildings and fire at the army. Tell me a single war zone where buildings were not damaged in any part of the world? Your logic is substandard for a person in a defence forum.
I havent beein to any chinese forums, but I am in PDF. I can safely say that they dont run away like some high rankers do here and definitely do not deactivate an account just because they cant win over an argument.
And Mr. Hit and run I remember you and I had a debate and u didnt reply me. That is why asked you. Between if you have nothing to say, it is ok I won't ask you again.
Between give my regards to uncle Ray
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Semantics.
The fact that there is parochial Buddhism and Chapter II, the Buddhists will always vote Buddhists.
Therefore, any intelligent and educated person, who is not a Buddhist, has no hope in hell.
That is why SWRD converted since his political ambition was a greater love than his religion!
And that is why inspite of showing anti Tamil views, as a Tamil and Christian, following the victory of the United Peoples' Freedom Alliance, and his being a candidate for the PM's post, President Kumaratunga appointed Mahindra Rajpakse as the PM. Obviously, it is because of Buddhist chauvinism.
I would think it is a travesty of truth, if you state that Lakshman Kadrrgamar , a Christian and a Tamil and thus a minority, did not have vision. He sure was more suitable because he was not merely a politicians, but a person with immense exposure to international affairs having been a diplomat, and was appointed to many international agencies to include those of the UN.
This puts paid to the issue of anyone can become the Head of Sri Lanka.
SWRD understood it and forsook his religion, but Kadirgamar thought his religion was important and so he lost out!
As Shakespeare had said - O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!
