Lockheed May Pitch F-35; GoI Says No Plans to Buy F-35

[JAISWAL]

I am not convinced USA will give up so easily??

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Well said.
Even i am septical that USA will not give up that easly on some thing which is matter of prestige for them

 

[utubekhiladi]

I am not convinced USA will give up so easily??

they already played all tricks under their sleeves. i dont think they have any more tricks to play.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

they already played all tricks under their sleeves. i dont think they have any more tricks to play.

there are still a few rabbits left be ready for a few more suprises. MMS govt is the best govt to sell too and USA knows it.

 

[JAISWAL]

http://defenceforumindia.com/indian-air-force/22883-no-plan-buy-f-35-govt.html
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now this discuson moved to new level.

 

[sayareakd]

I am not convinced USA will give up so easily??

true, that is why we should select French planes, it is easy to force any one of the four partner of EF. Hope GOI made up its mind keeping in view this fact.

 

[The Messiah]

I am not convinced USA will give up so easily??

one trick that would nicely is if somehow they stole all nukes of pak and stopped giving aid.

 

[civfanatic]

Where is that Crusader guy? He will not be happy to see this.

 

[The Messiah]

Where is that Crusader guy? He will not be happy to see this.

compiling his rant against goi for not bending over.

 

[Koovie]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Bye bye F-35!

But I hope to see you in the Navy

 

[thakur_ritesh]

well there goes the talk of technicalities initiated by ashley tellis .................. now what excuse will he come up this time round? was f-35 not technically as capable?!

it is quite clear MoD and IAF have put their foot down on this and it is getting all the more clear that within the next 2-3 months the winner could be announced. i am for one startled with the amount of clarity of thought, adherence to time lines, with no political interference being allowed all at the fag end of this deal, and one will have to give the credit for that to ACM PV Naik, well done sir, you are one bulldozer and all this when PM MMS said such deals when decided upon should also figure in the geopolitical and strategic ramifications.

 

[p2prada]

It would be really funny if the F-35 is shortlisted and rejected on technical grounds in place of Rafale or EF-2000.

 

[Solid Beast]

Americans will still find their market share in India.

 

[ganesh177]

@ US, dont give up, cheer up and now go and offer f-22.

 

[weg]

It would be really funny if the F-35 is shortlisted and rejected on technical grounds in place of Rafale or EF-2000.

It would be rejected becuase its not up to the job. I come from the UK which will get far more money from the F-35 deal than the Typhoon, but I can tell you either the Rafale or the Typhoon is a far better aircraft for India's needs.
If you want the F-35, buy it for what its designed for, a bomb truck.

 

[Immanuel]

It would be rejected becuase its not up to the job. I come from the UK which will get far more money from the F-35 deal than the Typhoon, but I can tell you either the Rafale or the Typhoon is a far better aircraft for India's needs.
If you want the F-35, buy it for what its designed for, a bomb truck.

Not upto the job? haha, with its AESA it will detect both EF and Rafale before they ever know the f-35 is the area, with its long range Aim-120D or even the Meteor to be integrated on it, it will take a first shot and kill the Ef or Rafale without being seen. the F-35 with its avionics, sensors and stealth will defeat both Ef and Rafale simultaneously. Neither has a chance. F-35 is a better A2A and a better bomb truck than a EF or Rafale could ever hope to be. Furthermore, with its new gen jammer being developed, it will jam the electronic crap out of both Ef and Rafale. Also if a Rafale or Ef ever has to face a f-35 in real life, the US will block gps signals and behold EF and Rafale become half as useful as they already are.

 

[Solid Beast]

Not upto the job? haha, with its AESA it will detect both EF and Rafale before they ever know the f-35 is the area, with its long range Aim-120D or even the Meteor to be integrated on it, it will take a first shot and kill the Ef or Rafale without being seen. the F-35 with its avionics, sensors and stealth will defeat both Ef and Rafale simultaneously. Neither has a chance. F-35 is a better A2A and a better bomb truck than a EF or Rafale could ever hope to be.

The Typhoon is slated to get AESA very shortly, in fact by the time most nations adopt the F-35, both Rafale and Typhoon will field AESA and their own next gen BVR missiles. I also firmly believe dual engines will always trump single engine fighters. And remember, the second the F-35 turns on its radar, all stealth characteristics become pointless.

 

[Immanuel]

The Typhoon is slated to get AESA very shortly, in fact by the time most nations adopt the F-35, both Rafale and Typhoon will field AESA and their own next gen BVR missiles. I also firmly believe dual engines will always trump single engine fighters. And remember, the second the F-35 turns on its radar, all stealth characteristics become pointless.

Typhoon's proposed AESA is no where close to the APG-81, the next gen BVR on both Rafale and EF is the Meteor, F-35 is going to get Meteor as well. F-35's DAS can spot a missile launch over 800 miles away, it can easily spot a EF or Rafale at over 200km away without using radar, even if it turns on it radar, it'll spot both aircraft at well over 180km away, due to its very low rcs, both Ef and rafale with AESA can't spot the f-35 till its too late, just because an f-22 or f-35 turns on its radar doesn't mean they'll be spotted easy, they'll be well out of the range of enemy radar detection ranges, furthermore with full jamming ef and rafale stand no chance.

 

[Solid Beast]

Having the same A2A missile really limits the potential of the F-35 radar in BVR engagement.

 

[Immanuel]

the same bvr missile doesn't really hamper its performance, Meteor and F-35 or f-35 and aim-120D are far more lethal a combo than the Ef or Rafale simply due to stealth, F-35 will be able to use its early detection and firing position to an advantage. It will be able to deploy both missiles at a long range even max range if its dashing through the high alt. skies at speeds of over mach 1.5, if the F-35 manages to fire of the meteor at over 100km, EF or rafale are toast even before they know its there. if we order the f-35 now, we can easily ask for 2015 delivery, the same year the Ef with get a AESA. To think when the f-35 takes off with one single switch of the DAS we can monitor all of pak for ballistic missile launches. Those new hatf-9 missiles are a threat, f-35 in the aircraft will provide early warning that even the Phalcon awacs doesnt. we'll be able to cover the entire paki airspace for missile threats. Rafale or Ef with their recon pods can see at best around 60 km away. DAS spotting a smissile launch at 800 miles or 1200km is quite stunning. this is just one of the many reasons why we should dump the mrca and simply order 250 f-35s through fms. such a large order would make us the largest customer and bring us benefits including a good amount of local assembly and tot. there is no reason why we cant or shouldn't operate 3 stealth fighters in the future. F-35B with secret launch pads close to the border with stealth can bring the fight very quickly to the enemy. Their usefulness in marine operations, beach landings is also invaluable. Its the ideal aircraft to support all 3 branches of of the military.

 

[pack leader]

Israeli and American f 35 wont be using meteor instead they will have unjammeable dual seeker magic-wond
built to hunt ballistic missiles, pak-fa and j-20