LOC, LAC & International Border skirmishs

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Only people need to be "exterminated" is the communist scums. Muslims are not termites which need to be exterminated. We had and have Muslims as high ranking officials to President .
And beside that yeah keep dreaming about your old days. By the way how is debt crisis in China ? Why does Moody degraded your credit rating ?
do you know what is Moody's credit rating on India? Bbb3. at least china got an Aa3, after the degrading, any comment on that?

you elected a Muslim hater to be the prime minister, that speaks volume of how badly Muslim are being treated in India.
 

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do you know what is Moody's credit rating on India? Bbb3. at least china got an Aa3, after the degrading, any comment on that?

you elected a Muslim hater to be the prime minister, that speaks volume of how badly Muslim are being treated in India.
Hey piggy in chinese skin , stop unnecessary rants. First sort ur slowing economy and stop killing ur own people. Just vacate illegally occupied tibet and other countries territory. Doesn't even know how to live peaceful and preaches other countries. Hypocrites.
 

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http://m.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2102555/indias-china-war-round-two

THIS IS INDIA’S CHINA WAR, ROUND TWO

BY NEVILLE MAXWELL
15 JUL 2017
The absurd myth of an ‘unprovoked Chinese aggression’ in 1962 has fermented in India a persistent longing for revenge

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Indian Army soldiers of the Gorkha Regiment patrol the India-China border. Photo: AFP
With India and China interacting over more than 3,000km of undefined frontier, friction is constant and that one day it would break back into border war has seemed inevitable. Two great Indian delusions have created this situation.


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The lesser of these was the outright falsehood spun in the shock of immediate and utter Indian defeat in 1962’s Round One border war with China, when, after the hesitant launch of an Indian offensive to drive the Chinese out of India-claimed territory on the Chinese side of the McMahon Line, the pre-emptive Chinese counter-attack had in little more than a month crushed the Indian Army. It enabled the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to vacate all the territory it had occupied with nothing more than the minatory – and humiliating – warning to India, “don’t challenge us again”.

The absurd myth of an “unprovoked Chinese aggression” which had taken India by surprise was promulgated to resurrect the broken image of “Pandit” Jawaharlal Nehru, the prime minister personally and pre-eminently responsible for the national disaster. Although long ago exposed and belied internationally, in India the myth has fermented in high military as well as political circles a longing for revenge.

Neville Maxwell discloses document revealing that India provoked China into 1962 border war

The underlying and greater delusion is that India’s geographical limits are set by millennial historical forces. The process of boundary formation established and required by the international community (negotiation to achieve agreement on border alignment and cooperation to demarcate the agreed alignment on the ground) thus becomes otiose for the Indian republic. India, having “discovered” the alignment of its borders through historical research, need only display them on its official maps and those would become defined international boundaries “not open to discussion with anybody”, as Nehru put it in a notorious order in 1954.

Neville Maxwell interview: the full transcript

He applied his own ruling literally and categorically, rejecting Beijing’s repeated calls for negotiation; and every one of his scores of successors in the Indian leadership has clung, or felt nailed to, that obdurate and provocative stance, in effect claiming the sole right unilaterally to define China’s as well as India’s borders. Every generation of literate Indians is inculcated with that false sense of national oppression by the cartographic image showing broad areas of Indian territory “occupied” by China, with reminders that Beijing’s maps reveal an intention to seize even more.


The Dalai Lama has been the subject of many spats between China and India. Photo: Reuters

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The Sino-Indian interface along the undefined and contested frontier is consequently and constantly a source of international friction, waiting only for incidental sparks to set off martial conflagration.


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Border war was narrowly averted in 1987 when a belligerent Indian Army commander, General Krishnaswamy Sundarj, having been foiled in his plan to render Pakistan a “broken-back state”, turned his attention to the China border. He massively reinforced positions there and in deliberate provocation pushed numerous posts across the established McMahon line of actual control. China reacted with matching troop concentrations and air force inductions, and warned India to desist from its aggressions, which, in the late summer of 1987, it did, probably under US pressure.


Former Indian prime minister Narasimha Rao negotiated the only border agreement between India and China. Photo: AP

The heat went out of the confrontation but the Indian Army was left in a grossly unbalanced situation, with great troop concentrations beyond normal supply reach. That predicament induced a new Indian government, under Prime Minister Narasimha Rao, to negotiate in 1993 India’s one and only border agreement with the PRC: jointly to observe the line of actual control (LAC) and to reduce force levels to a practical minimum. Later, developments fell far short of what the treaty required.

The current confrontation in the Sikkim sector might appear to have similar origins in military rather than political assertions, with India’s army chief, General Bipin Rawat, beating his chest with boasts that India can fight and win on “two and a half” fronts simultaneously.

Border dispute an obstacle to building trust between China and India

But the context points to deeper factors. India has recently been goading China in what can only have been a purposeful series of actions. Rather than let the LAC mature with the passing years, India has been needling Beijing by taking such doll figures as the Dalai Lama and loud-mouthed American diplomats into the disputed border region India proclaims to be its state of Arunachal Pradesh, and megaphoning the false claim that the McMahon alignment represents a legal boundary rather than a historical but contested claim. The McMahon Line in fact rests on a British diplomatic forgery, long exposed. This may be another indication that Prime Minister Narendra Modi has decided that India’s interest will be served better in an aggressive American alliance rather than in a neighbourly relationship with China.


Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has maintained a strategy of aligning his nation with the US and Japan. Photo: Reuters

The sudden convergence of Indian and Chinese troop concentrations around the current military confrontation in Doklam illustrates again the truth of Curzon’s observation in his Oxford lecture that borders can be “the razor’s edge on which hang suspended the modern issue of war or peace”. There is a spicy historical irony here because this confrontation is precisely sited in the single, tiny Sino-Indian border sector that was long ago treaty-defined and demarcated.

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In 1890, rational self-interest brought the mighty British Raj to sit down in conference, as if on equal terms, with the ruler of the Lilliputian Himalayan state of Sikkim, agree on the alignment of the state’s border and jointly mark that out on the ground. Time, weather and probably local human mischief will have obliterated the border markers but the careful verbal description in the Treaty prevails to prove that the local Indian commander, with or without higher orders, has blatantly moved forces into what is now Chinese territory. Beijing, sorely chafed already by India’s recent repeated provocations, appears to have decided that this is too much, and has itself adopted the absolutist Nehruvian position of “no discussion without withdrawal”.


Jawaharlal Nehru, India’s first prime minister. Photo: AFP

The Indian attempt to depict this confrontation as tripartite should be disregarded. Bhutan is not an independent actor, is rather an Indian glove-puppet. A brigade group of the Indian Army, permanently stationed in Bhutan and now reinforced, is an ever-present reminder to Bhutan’s ruling group of what happened to Sikkim when its ruler aspired to independence – speedy annexation.

Thus this still petty armed confrontation has a real and potentially enormous explosive potential – Round Two of Sino-Indian war. The way out, and ahead, lies where it always has been, in the opening of comprehensive, unconditional Sino-Indian boundary negotiation. What bars the way is the requirement of Indian policy reversal, which in the current bellicose mood and twisted popular sense of injury in India would require heroic bravery of leadership.

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There is an example of just such an action, which seeded what now appears to be the key geopolitical factor of the age, the Sino-Russian alliance: Gorbachev’s reversal of the Soviets’ no-negotiation stance in the border dispute with China, blooded in the Zhenbao Island battles of 1969. From the long-extended negotiations to compromise severely clashing territorial claims emerged a mutual confidence and trust that, annealed by common exposure to American hostility, set into an alliance just short of formal declaration. Should a leader ever emerge in India with the courage and vision Gorbachev showed, such too could be a Sino-Indian future.

Neville Maxwell, who covered the 1962 China-India border war as the South Asia correspondent for The Times, is the author of India’s China War. In March 2014, Maxwell leaked the Henderson Brooks-Bhagat Report, an Indian government report from 1963 examining India’s defeat in the Sino-Indian War that is yet to be declassified.
This idiot journalist Neville Maxwell sounds like he's a paid agent of the frikkin CPC. This fuker is still alive? Does this pro commie knucklehead want India to hand over Arunachal Pradesh to the Commies, and whatever they claim of Indian territory as he says the McMahon line is a piece of 'forgery'?? His bootlicking the Chinese is shocking to say the least.
 

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This idiot journalist Neville Maxwell sounds like he's a paid agent of the frikkin CPC. This fuker is still alive? Does this pro commie knucklehead want India to hand over Arunachal Pradesh to the Commies, and whatever they claim of Indian territory as he says the McMahon line is a piece of 'forgery'?? His bootlicking the Chinese is shocking to say the least.
" SCMP = South China Morning Post " is another CCP propaganda outlet Just like Global times .

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you elected a Muslim hater to be the prime minister, that speaks volume of how badly Muslim are being treated in India.
Do you even know what your CPC is doing to the Muslims in Xinjiang? If you did then you wouldn't be peddling the shit you've just written.

And your CPC has even refused to acknowledge that terrorist Masood Azhar, Porkistan's Terror-in-Chief is a terrorist in spite of the world saying so and voting to sanction him.

Your desperation to keep the Porks happy so that your CPEC can be built is beyond funny! Seriously, you Chinks have become the laughing stock of the world what with your shenanigans touching new highs.
 

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do you know what is Moody's credit rating on India? Bbb3. at least china got an Aa3, after the degrading, any comment on that?

you elected a Muslim hater to be the prime minister, that speaks volume of how badly Muslim are being treated in India.
Muslim hater!!!! ... Come again please...
Here read the below link at the atrocities done by PLA to uyghur MUSLIMS...
India should support the autonomous and independent state of uyghur Muslims
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26414014

Also we don't ban Ramadan, azan and Muslim name
India is the home of one of the largest Muslim population... Do some research before posting filth
And btw you got to read the stuff apart from CCP certified material.. savvy
 
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you elected a Muslim hater to be the prime minister, that speaks volume of how badly Muslim are being treated in India.
Hmmm.... should I laugh or cry for this comment being made by a Chinese? In addition to those above points on Uighurs, you people are HR haters - remember Tienanmen Square or Tibetians being oppressed/killed every single day. Ouch... truth hits back hard against a lie. Suck it up.
 

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Slightly off topic, but can we start an anti Chink activism thread that we can use to start grass roots level resistance? I was thinking of getting a "Free Tibet" sticker for my car as a Fuck You to the slot eyed dogs.

Something like this




Also, obviously avoiding Chink products.
 

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you elected a Muslim hater to be the prime minister, that speaks volume of how badly Muslim are being treated in India.
We also elected a muslim president 3 times in Indian history. Did you miss that tiny little detail? Or do you just copy paste from chinese daily and paki Reuters?

Besides, a chinese teaching us about elections? Seriously? Nothing could be more laughable.
 

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do you know what is Moody's credit rating on India? Bbb3. at least china got an Aa3, after the degrading, any comment on that?

you elected a Muslim hater to be the prime minister, that speaks volume of how badly Muslim are being treated in India.
Nice, you are linking China with India on economic terms. Great news for us.

You elected eleven pig as your President this speak how much you hate Islam and Muslims. Oh wait you can't vote.. your masters in CPC choose President for you not you .
 
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Chinese army conducts live-fire drills in Tibet
Jul 17, 2017, 09:54 AM IST


HIGHLIGHTS

  • People's Liberation Army conducted live-fire exercises in Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region
  • The live-fire drills included the quick delivery of troops and different military units working together on joint attacks.

be ready and don't lose hope, gaddars and Chinese will do something for sure... nipat lena bhai
meri duaein tum logo ke sath hai :D
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Nothing is going to happen. If the Chinese wanted to attack then they would have done it by now but instead of attacking, they are going and meeting opposition leaders.

Also, those drills are a usual thing.

People out here, "Try" to have a meaningfull chatter with the Chinese guy/girl rather than throwing dirt. He has been here since 2009.

4 Pages wasted with no new information.
 
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do you know what is Moody's credit rating on India? Bbb3. at least china got an Aa3, after the degrading, any comment on that?

you elected a Muslim hater to be the prime minister, that speaks volume of how badly Muslim are being treated in India.
Yeah so? India is a Hindu majority and till date we have hosted various ethnicity even after getting genocide by Mughal empire we still hosted them shows our tolerance level and guess what that is going to end pretty soon if you want to live,live by the majority rule or else go back to Pakistan or whatever middle east region.

And you fucking gook how about you fix your damn escalators before you step in with some garbage tier propaganda.
 

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Chinese army conducts live-fire drills in Tibet
Jul 17, 2017, 09:54 AM IST


HIGHLIGHTS

  • People's Liberation Army conducted live-fire exercises in Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region
  • The live-fire drills included the quick delivery of troops and different military units working together on joint attacks.
Ok this is escalating a bit,what is this Defcon 4? Scarface end? Say hello to my litte friend? God damn it I guess I should get ready packing up with some top ramen,sprouts and Oats,this is going to get real ugly.
 

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Active Chinese frontier while LOC is hot is the worst possible thing by Bipin rawat and Modi CO. I am sorry but I am also a nationalist to core but our army is not ready to fight China and Pak together now and we need time.
 

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Active Chinese frontier while LOC is hot is the worst possible thing by Bipin rawat and Modi CO. I am sorry but I am also a nationalist to core but our army is not ready to fight China and Pak together now and we need time.
Correction. Its called being a coward and not Nationalist.

The Chief has said "We are ready for a 2.5 front war". So where's the "not ready" part coming from.?
 

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Active Chinese frontier while LOC is hot is the worst possible thing by Bipin rawat and Modi CO. I am sorry but I am also a nationalist to core but our army is not ready to fight China and Pak together now and we need time.
You were the one who were putting up prophecies about Bharat going down temporarily, right? I mean until Kalki comes and protects us. I have faith in the Army, our Army. If you don't, keep those thoughts to yourself instead of spreading fear and seeding doubt in the minds of a few already confused minds.
 
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