LOC, LAC & IB skirmishs

[aditya10r]

2 Pakistan Army troops on UN Mission jailed for raping a Haitian boy. Guess if that happened in Pakistan itself, it won't hit the headline coz its taboo to report wrongdoings of Pak Army in Pakistan.
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But let's see if Express Tribune / Dawn / Samaa reports it.

Man isnt HOMO shit Unislamic????

So unislamic these guys are.

Absolutely HARAM.

 

[Project Dharma]

2 Pakistan Army troops on UN Mission jailed for raping a Haitian boy. Guess if that happened in Pakistan itself, it won't hit the headline coz its taboo to report wrongdoings of Pak Army in Pakistan.
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But let's see if Express Tribune / Dawn / Samaa reports it.

Were they pitching or catching? It ain't rape if the boy was banging the Porks. :biggrin2:

 

[Mikesingh]

2 Pakistan Army troops on UN Mission jailed for raping a Haitian boy. Guess if that happened in Pakistan itself, it won't even hit the headline coz its taboo to report wrongdoings of Holy Army of Pakistan.
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But let's see if Express Tribune / Dawn / Samaa reports this which was already reported by international media.

It's too late as this incident happened in 2012.

 

[mayfair]

An anti-India propaganda video that would also piss off Khalistanis. That's an achievement.

If the self-styled Khalistanis had any self-respect, they would long have been pissed off by what the Napakis have done to their brethren and their Gurudwaras in the very land where Khalsa panth was born. Or what they have done to young Sikh girls in the UK.

They'll find ways to blame India and especially Hindus for this ignorant and bigoted Chinese portrayal of Sikhs.

 

[gekko]

If the self-styled Khalistanis had any self-respect, they would long have been pissed off by what the Napakis have done to their brethren and their Gurudwaras in the very land where Khalsa panth was born. Or what they have done to young Sikh girls in the UK.

They'll find ways to blame India and especially Hindus for this ignorant and bigoted Chinese portrayal of Sikhs.

True dat.

There is a very well documented list of atrocities committed on Sikhs by Islamic invaders. When the invasions first began in Kashmir, the Shaivik Hindus ran to the Sikh guru to protect them, and he decided to grant them protection, but in the process, the Sikhs faced great torture. The formation of the Khalsa was a response to Islamic barbarity, every Sikh knows this regardless of their interest in geopolitics. This broader narrative of Hindu-Sikh comradeship was lost when Pakistan conceptualized the Khalistan project which seemed contrary to Pakistan's national integrity since the Sikh empire had its capital in Lahore. I wonder if they thought of the possibility that if Khalistan becomes an independent nation and starts a war to recapture Lahore, with the help of India, what would Pakistan do? India would have lost a small part of Punjab but Pakistan would have lost a bigger chunk.

The fact that the historic Islamic atrocities, the recent atrocities during the partition and the demolition of Gurudwaras in Pakistan didn't unsettle Khalistanis is proof that narratives can be conjured out of thin air and don't need to be consistent with historical facts. To that effect, it is great success on part of Hamid Gul to look at Sikhs and be audacious enough to think that "these guys whose religious leaders we have been killing since centuries, whose population we ethnically cleansed during the partition and whose places of worship we demolished after the partition, will become allies of the Islamic republic of Pakistan against India". This was before Indira gave them a reason to be alienated.

Someone give an Oscar to Hamid Gul for coming up with an abstract plan and managing the nitty gritties and contradictions to somehow pursue Pakistan's national interests while making sure that it didn't spill over on the Pakistani side. He was known to have told Benazir Bhutto that the Khalistan project is worth one military division, as it keeps Indian security apparatus and resources tied up. RAW later set up a CT team to hit Khalistani assets inside Pakistan as a desperately reactionary move but, had they come up with a similarly audacious plan to support the already established network of Khalistanis in Pakistan to demand that Pakistan vacate Lahore first...if wishes were horses..something something.

 

[lcafanboy]

One more CHINI video this is just like the cartoon where dragon fires and then pleads to get afraid of it so it's reputation of being fearful stays.....

 

[Project Dharma]

The fact that the historic Islamic atrocities, the recent atrocities during the partition and the demolition of Gurudwaras in Pakistan didn't unsettle Khalistanis is proof that narratives can be conjured out of thin air and don't need to be consistent with historical facts.

No it isn't, most Sikhs aren't Khalistanis and are well aware of the duplicity of Muslims. Not even a substantial minority of Sikhs believe anything coming out of Pakistan.

we ethnically cleansed during the partition

Actually, Pakistanis were the ones that were ethnically cleansed during partition. The number of Sikhs and Hindus who died is nowhere close, it is just a fraction. I can post sources or start a separate thread but please look up the Sikh conspiracy.

 

[Anikastha]

Now, this is funny. The mighty PLA was kicked in the ass by a border militia and are reminding us about 1962. [emoji38][emoji38]

NE bamboo warriors are enough for pla.

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[Yusuf]

Sharing the three articles ive written since the standoff began.

This was the first which appeared in Deccan Herald.

India-China face-off: Ties gone sour

India and China are in the middle of a major face-off since the last major flare up in 2013 in Depsang Plains in Aksai Chin in the Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir. This time it is on the India-Bhutan-China tri-junction.

China claims Indian troops have crossed into their territory across Doka La. The Bhutanese region is in dispute between Bhutan and China but very close to India’s strategically important Siliguri corridor. Bhutan requested Indian troops to help stop Chinese road construction in the area to which New Delhi responded.

The technicality of the disputes between India and China and between China and Bhutan aside, there are several reasons for China’s latest escalation:

1) China wants to create a situation where Bhutan feels compelled to break free from India’s influence on its foreign policy and establish relations with China. Bhutan doesn't have diplomatic relations with China. Under the Indo-Bhutan treaty, Bhutan is guided by India in its foreign policy so that it is not detrimental to India's security interests.

China has been making inroads into India's neighbours. It has infrastructure projects in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives with security implications. It has the CPEC project in Pakistan which goes through Indian territory occupied by Pakistan. In the last decade, China has made inroads into Nepal which has played the game of playing India against China. Bhutan's location is of immense strategic importance to India. It offers some depth to India against China for security of India's North East. The current site of China's aggression in the Doka La area has direct security implication for the Siliguri corridor which connects the N-E with the rest of the country. Bhutan is the only country that has remained out of China's net and China wants to change that.

2) Bhutan's security is India's responsibility although there is no treaty to that effect. In 1959, then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru told parliament that India will consider any act of aggression against Bhutan as an act of aggression against India. India maintains a training mission in Bhutan, known as the Indian Military Training Team (IMTRAT).

The current face-off started after Bhutan asked Indian troops to intervene. India had to act not only because it is in its own security interests but also to come to the aid of its friend. New Delhi backing Thimpu and standing up against Beijing has a larger message for the Indo-Pacific region which is facing China's aggression especially in South East Asia. India has openly stated that it looks at itself as a security provider in the region. China wants India to back down so that it can hurt India's image in the Indo-Pacific as a reliable security provider.

3) India has developed security ties with many of the nations with whom China has inimical relations especially the US and Japan. The US has been conducting freedom of navigation operations in the islands China has reclaimed and built military bases on them. China claims the Senkaku Islands from Japan and established an air defence identification zone over it.

India conducts a large and increasingly complex naval exercise named Exercise Malabar with both these nations. China has repeatedly warned India against any military alliance that threatens its interests in the Indo-Pacific. China will test the strength of India’s friendship with such countries with probing moves along the border and in the seas. The current face-off is one such.

4) India has increasingly opposed China in its ambitions to dominate the region, primary being the much touted Belt and Road Initiative. India was the only major country to not send a delegation to China for the Belt and Road Forum.

The state-controlled Chinese media has been scathing in its editorials criticising India. China wants India to recognise China’s pre-eminence in Asia and play second fiddle. It wants India to accept CPEC although it violates India's sovereignty. The Chinese media even hit out at India for the air corridor which India initiated with Afghanistan to trade goods saying it reflected India’s “stubborn geopolitical thinking” by looking at alternatives to connect with Central Asia than to join the CPEC.

5) China is also sending a message to the region and the world. China wants to project its power and show will to use force to deter big powers from getting involved in its disputes. It also wants to scare smaller powers with whom it has territorial disputes into backing down and settle all disputes on China's terms.

Aggressive posture

While China has overall taken a more aggressive posture with its neighbours with whom it has disputes, its relations with India have increasingly gone sour. After years of playing down India as a rival, China has started to realise that India stands in its way to dominate the region.

Chinese media has repeatedly tried to project India as unequal to it and virtually asked India to accept China’s dominance. We are likely to see more aggressive posturing by China on the long-shared border or the maritime domain. China will also use India’s neighbours against New Delhi’s interests.

India has no option but to hold out. This will require strong diplomacy as well as firm military posture that can counter any military provocation. India will have to look into its military readiness.Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat has said the Indian Army is ready to face a ‘two and a half front’ war while the Air Force chief has said the IAF doesn't have enough numbers and will have to make do with what it has.

It is likely that the current face-off will end with both sides holding on to their positions with a face saver and without any military action. This is undesirable for both countries but its implications will be long lasting.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/622562/india-china-face-off-ties.html

 

[Yusuf]

this is the 2nd one that appeared in DailyO

Sikkim standoff: Will India's ties with China ever recover?

The Sikkim standoff continues between India and China even as diplomats try to find ways to end it. It is likely that a peaceful solution will be found even though neither side is likely to back down.

The strategic costs for backing down for India will be high. Even if the resolution to the standoff is peaceful, the so far troubled but stable relations between India and China won't be the same again.

In its effort to hammer India into submission to Chinese demands to pull back its troops from Doklam, statements from the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of China and editorials in Chinese media give away what the Chinese rulers are thinking.

The Chinese media is tightly controlled by the Communist Party of China (CCP). Post-Tiananmen Square massacre it has been controlled even more tightly and young Chinese don't even know if such an event ever occurred. Social media channels such as Twitter are banned in China, which has its own social media platform called Weibo that is tightly regulated for any comments made with moderators deleting any post that is anti-party.

What has been written in Chinese media is backed by the Communist Party of China.

What has been written in Chinese media is backed by the CCP. There is no independent think tank or media which can give views contrary to the party line. It is surprising that China has discarded Sun Tzu’s diktat of deception and opened several cards via the CCP mouthpieces, People’s Daily and Global Times, which will be taken into account by Indian policy-makers.

Since India boycotted China’s mega-event of Belt and Road Initiative in May, the editorials have been scathing giving a sense of both anger and frustration in China at India for not accepting Chinese superiority and the country as the dominant power in the region.

Soon after the Indian troops entered Bhutan to stop Chinese road construction, a PLA spokesperson said India should remember the debacle of 1962 war between the two countries. This was immediately countered by India’s defence minister, Arun Jaitley, who said India of 2017 is not the same as the one in 1962. The Chinese foreign ministry responded by saying China too was different now.

A Global Times editorial said, "This time, we must teach New Delhi a bitter lesson."

China upped the ante using its media to put pressure on India. The Global Times came out with an editorial saying China should back independence of Indian state of Sikkim. This goes back on China’s recognition of Sikkim in return for India recognising Tibet as part of China during then prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s visit to Beijing in 2003, following which trade was opened up through Nathu La, the site of a skirmish between India and China in 1967 in which India won.

Incidentally, it's near the current area of standoff.

China going back on its agreements is part of the pattern of it not recognising bilateral or multilateral agreements when it doesn’t suit its strategic objectives.

Last year, the United Nations Convention on Law of the Seas (UNCLOS) ruled in the favour of the Philippines over the legality of China's claims over waters of South China Sea and invalidated China's “nine-dash line”.

China, which is party to the UNCLOS, refused to recognise the verdict. Even in the current standoff, China has violated its 1998 agreement with Bhutan to maintain status quo. China's credibility as a responsible power following rules based international order comes under question.

China going back on its recognition of Sikkim as part of India will bring into focus China's role in fomenting insurgencies in India's Northeast.

In 2015, it backed the creation of an umbrella group of several insurgent groups in the Northeast. It was followed by a series of attacks on Indian soldiers, the worst of which was the attack on Dogra regiment in Manipur in which 20 soldiers were killed. In response, India conducted a surgical strike in Myanmar to take out terrorists located there.

The editorial on Sikkim was followed by one on Kashmir. A Global Times editorial said, “if the Pakistani government requests, a third country’s Army can enter the area disputed by India and Pakistan, including India-controlled Kashmir”, which means China would send troops to Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) and if required, into India.

This was followed by another editorial in which China said Ladakh is disputed between India, Pakistan and China.

These statements by China comes in the backdrop of it repeatedly blocking UN sanctions on Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar, the mastermind of 2001 Parliament attack.

Recently, Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Mehbooba Mufti said China is interfering in Kashmir. Interestingly, China did not condemn the attack by Lashkar-e-Taiba on Amarnath pilgrims in which eight pilgrims were killed.

China opening its cards on Kashmir has to be viewed in the context of the China–Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). China offered to extend CPEC, which passes through PoK, to Jammu and Kashmir.

India has rightly refused this as violation of its sovereignty. China plans to spend $50 billion on North Indus River Cascade to generate 40,000MW of hydroelectricity in Pakistan-occupied Gilgit Baltistan. India will have to watch out for Chinese movements on Jammu and Kashmir in light of these developments.

A few years ago China started issuing stapled visas to Indian citizens from Jammu and Kashmir. The presence of Chinese troops and missiles in Pakistan- Occupied Kashmir has been repeatedly reported over the years.

China’s repeated warning over the use of military force in the current standoff and the various editorials in its media appears to be a bluff and an attempt to wage psychological warfare to get India to back down.

It recently leaked a video of a military exercise in Tibet which was reportedly held two months ago.

Another Global Times editorial said that the standoff will not be over till winter sets in. Reports in Indian media state that the Indian Army is already prepared for a long haul and made logistical arrangements for it. It is possible China will look at other areas in the long border to occupy as a pressure and negotiating tactic.

China has boxed itself into a tight corner with all its statements leaving very little room for manoeuvre. India too cannot compromise as the strategic costs will be immense.

It will take a lot of diplomatic work to get out of this standoff peacefully.

But if all fails and China does enforce a war, India should be prepared to fight one as former Northern Army commander lieutenant general HS Panag wrote in his column, “Depending upon the situation, if need be, we must mobilise to call China’s bluff and be prepared for border skirmishes or even a limited war”.

Even if the the crisis ends peacefully, the statements from China have damaged relations with India. It reinforces India’s distrust of China which has been ingrained in the minds of the people at large and policy makers in particular, since the 1962 war.

The security competition between India and China will shift gears and this crisis will push India to speed up its military modernisation and security partnerships.

http://www.dailyo.in/voices/india-c...an-doklam-pakistan-kashmir/story/1/18594.html

 

[Yusuf]

This is my piece from today in The Pioneer

DOKLAM: A BITTER PILL FOR CHINA

The Doklam stand-off between India and China is close to two months but there is still no solution in sight, as neither side is willing to take a step back.

Beijing continues to use its media to wage a psychological warfare, in order to scare New Delhi to pressurise it to back off. The latest of such threat was witnessed in an editorial in China Daily, which said that the countdown to war has begun. The editorial titled, ‘New Delhi should come to its senses while it has time’ said, “The countdown to a clash between the two forces has begun, and the clock is ticking away the time to what seems to be an inevitable conclusion.”

This writer is frequently faced with a question if war with China is inevitable. And his answer has always been in the negative. The use of military force requires tactical and strategic objectives and the ability to force a win, to achieve these objectives. Wider geo-political implications must also be considered.

In the current stand-off the tactical objective of the Middle Kingdom is clear: To evict Indian forces from what Beijing considers to be its sovereign territory. But can China achieve this objective? In this writer’s opinion, the answer is no.

Ever since the stand-off started, India has quietly built up troops in the area, which was already considerable. The Indian Army’s Eastern Command has three corps numbering over two lakh troops at its disposal. Apart from this, India has air assets in the area, which can provide close air support to the troops as well as strike Chinese positions, supply lines, forward bases etc. Besides, Indian troops are better positioned in the area, overlooking China’s Chumbi valley that ends in a dagger shape near Bhutan’s Doklam area that China claims to be its own. Indian forces can cut off Chinese supply line and, in fact, take on the Chumbi valley.

China cannot spring a surprise on India as it will have to move at least two lakh troops to take on the nearly 60,000 well-trained and

well-acclimatised Indian troops that are deployed along the eastern sector. Such large movements will be picked up by satellites and other reconnaissance platforms.

Having said that, what are the options for China if it does decide to use force? First, it can open fire on the Indian troops who have blocked the road construction in Doklam. This will be swiftly retaliated by the Indian troops. It will be no more than a shooting contest which will result in casualties on both sides but not alter the positions and end the stand-off. It could also lead to the conflict spiraling out of control.

Second, China can start building up troops in the area over the next month or so into September-October. The 1962 war was started by China in October. The 1967 Nathu-la and Cho-la skirmishes, which India won, was in the month of September and October respectively. But like this writer mentioned earlier, there will not be any element of surprise. India will lie in wait for the Chinese troops, resulting in a bigger shooting contest in which India holds better positions. It can also inflict heavy casualties to China.

Third, China can start a full fledged war against India across the 4,000-kilometres India-China border. This will involve the use of missiles and the Air Force. China has thousands of conventional cruise and ballistic missiles that it can rain on India while New Delhi can cause serious damage to Chinese infrastructure in Tibet.

India is raising a mountain strike corps whose first of three divisions has been raised and is operational. The strike corps’ is being raised to capture the Chinese territory; to bargain any loss of territory to China in areas where Indian defences are weak. India’s air assets are also well placed to conduct offensive operations over Tibet and Xinjiang.

Moreover, Chinese jets have to take off from high altitude bases in Tibet, which restricts the payload it can carry and its range and endurance. On the other hand, Indian jets will take off from near sea level bases and it can carry its full load of weapons and fuel. They also carry variety of modern sensors both indigenous and western which gives it an edge over the Chinese jets.

Besides that, Indian pilots are well trained and also have the advantage of training with the best pilots in the western world.

In fact, a report by NDTV by Vishnu Som, talked about an assessment paper written by Squadron Leader Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 fighter pilot. Som writes, according to Squadron Leader Joshi, “Terrain, technology and training will assuredly give the Indian Air Force an edge over the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) in Tibet and southern Xinjiang, thereby counter-balancing the numerical superiority of the PLAAF, at least for some years to come.”

India is also well placed to hurt the Chinese Navy and its trade and energy flows, should the war include the maritime domain, which is likely in the event of a full fledged war.

So, India can counter the Chinese military aggression and take it to a stalemate. The costs in terms of men and material will be immense in the case of a full-fledged war and will come as a huge set back for the economies of both countries. But it won’t help China achieve its military or strategic objectives. On the contrary, the geo-political losses of such a stalemate will be immense for China.

First, it will make a rising India its permanent enemy. It already has generated a lot of ill feeling amongst Indians for bullying Bhutan and precipitating the current stand-off. Chinese industries stand to gain enormously from India’s industrialisation and infrastructure development. It already runs a trade surplus with India to the tune of $60 billion. India will certainly impose trade restrictions on China denying it any share of India’s economic growth.

Second, it will expose the limitations of China’s military power to the rest of the region which is increasingly being bullied by China into territorial concessions.

Third, it will push India into the US corner, something that China doesn’t want and has repeatedly warned against. It could also lead to some kind of alliance with other regional powers, undermining China’s quest for military dominance in the region.

Fourth, it will affect the One-Belt-One-Road project of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

The 19th National Congress of the Communist Party of China is due in November this year. Will Xi risk a war with India which can result in a stalemate dealing a blow to China’s prestige and Xi’s power or will he swallow a bitter pill and look for a way out of the current crisis? Analysts can only speculate what’s running in the mind of China’s most powerful leader since Mao.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/oped/doklam-a-bitter-pill-for-china.html

 

[square]

India has not yet officially announced the participation of PM Narendra Modi in the Brics summit, which will be held September 3-5 in Xiamen in China.

In that context, it may be significant to mention here that China has continued to stall the meeting of Russia-India-China (RIC) trilateral foreign ministers' meeting which was scheduled earlier this year in April.

 

[rock127]

In general avoiding an argument with a person that has their eyes half shut biologically is a good idea. Kinda hard to make them see the light lol

Why do you waste time and effort replying to slit-eyed trolls from Han Land? They are brainwashed into robots by the CPC which has taken their souls too. Some say, they are a Reptilian race, not of this earth! Looks like it's true!

We can't allow Chini and Pakis a free run here on DFI with their LIES and FALSE propoganda.They would be countered, exposed and thrashed.

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:biggrin2:

Another good video trolling Chinis back.

Today just saw Al-Katua channel and even they had a GOOD topic for today for a change.The topic was how China censors just anything which shows some truth OR if there is any fun poked at their country/leaders.Then they told that somehow Chini citizens try to bypass censor and use VPN to know how world is laughing at them and world perception of China.They then showed Jinpingpong compared with Winnie the Pooh.

Actually Jinpingpong looks more like a Pig rather than some cute small bear. See below...

Winnie the Pooh is now banned in China for resembling President Xi Jinping

'Oh, bother': Chinese censors block Winnie the Pooh over meme comparing him to Xi Jinping

Winnie the Pooh is the latest victim of censorship in China

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

LOL, bhadwe log. From denying it to blaming India. We might have seriously hurt their already punctured ego.

 

[gekko]

Sharing the three articles ive written since the standoff began.

This was the first which appeared in Deccan Herald.

India-China face-off: Ties gone sour

India and China are in the middle of a major face-off since the last major flare up in 2013 in Depsang Plains in Aksai Chin in the Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir. This time it is on the India-Bhutan-China tri-junction.

China claims Indian troops have crossed into their territory across Doka La. The Bhutanese region is in dispute between Bhutan and China but very close to India’s strategically important Siliguri corridor. Bhutan requested Indian troops to help stop Chinese road construction in the area to which New Delhi responded.

The technicality of the disputes between India and China and between China and Bhutan aside, there are several reasons for China’s latest escalation:

1) China wants to create a situation where Bhutan feels compelled to break free from India’s influence on its foreign policy and establish relations with China. Bhutan doesn't have diplomatic relations with China. Under the Indo-Bhutan treaty, Bhutan is guided by India in its foreign policy so that it is not detrimental to India's security interests.

China has been making inroads into India's neighbours. It has infrastructure projects in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives with security implications. It has the CPEC project in Pakistan which goes through Indian territory occupied by Pakistan. In the last decade, China has made inroads into Nepal which has played the game of playing India against China. Bhutan's location is of immense strategic importance to India. It offers some depth to India against China for security of India's North East. The current site of China's aggression in the Doka La area has direct security implication for the Siliguri corridor which connects the N-E with the rest of the country. Bhutan is the only country that has remained out of China's net and China wants to change that.

2) Bhutan's security is India's responsibility although there is no treaty to that effect. In 1959, then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru told parliament that India will consider any act of aggression against Bhutan as an act of aggression against India. India maintains a training mission in Bhutan, known as the Indian Military Training Team (IMTRAT).

The current face-off started after Bhutan asked Indian troops to intervene. India had to act not only because it is in its own security interests but also to come to the aid of its friend. New Delhi backing Thimpu and standing up against Beijing has a larger message for the Indo-Pacific region which is facing China's aggression especially in South East Asia. India has openly stated that it looks at itself as a security provider in the region. China wants India to back down so that it can hurt India's image in the Indo-Pacific as a reliable security provider.

3) India has developed security ties with many of the nations with whom China has inimical relations especially the US and Japan. The US has been conducting freedom of navigation operations in the islands China has reclaimed and built military bases on them. China claims the Senkaku Islands from Japan and established an air defence identification zone over it.

India conducts a large and increasingly complex naval exercise named Exercise Malabar with both these nations. China has repeatedly warned India against any military alliance that threatens its interests in the Indo-Pacific. China will test the strength of India’s friendship with such countries with probing moves along the border and in the seas. The current face-off is one such.

4) India has increasingly opposed China in its ambitions to dominate the region, primary being the much touted Belt and Road Initiative. India was the only major country to not send a delegation to China for the Belt and Road Forum.

The state-controlled Chinese media has been scathing in its editorials criticising India. China wants India to recognise China’s pre-eminence in Asia and play second fiddle. It wants India to accept CPEC although it violates India's sovereignty. The Chinese media even hit out at India for the air corridor which India initiated with Afghanistan to trade goods saying it reflected India’s “stubborn geopolitical thinking” by looking at alternatives to connect with Central Asia than to join the CPEC.

5) China is also sending a message to the region and the world. China wants to project its power and show will to use force to deter big powers from getting involved in its disputes. It also wants to scare smaller powers with whom it has territorial disputes into backing down and settle all disputes on China's terms.

Aggressive posture

While China has overall taken a more aggressive posture with its neighbours with whom it has disputes, its relations with India have increasingly gone sour. After years of playing down India as a rival, China has started to realise that India stands in its way to dominate the region.

Chinese media has repeatedly tried to project India as unequal to it and virtually asked India to accept China’s dominance. We are likely to see more aggressive posturing by China on the long-shared border or the maritime domain. China will also use India’s neighbours against New Delhi’s interests.

India has no option but to hold out. This will require strong diplomacy as well as firm military posture that can counter any military provocation. India will have to look into its military readiness.Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat has said the Indian Army is ready to face a ‘two and a half front’ war while the Air Force chief has said the IAF doesn't have enough numbers and will have to make do with what it has.

It is likely that the current face-off will end with both sides holding on to their positions with a face saver and without any military action. This is undesirable for both countries but its implications will be long lasting.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/622562/india-china-face-off-ties.html

Whenever our nigga Yusuf goes for a lecture, after the lecture is over...

Yusuf : any one has any questions?

Old fag from the crowd : Why are we wasting so much money on buying weapons for killing people when our own people are poor and hungry...bla bla..

Yusuf : Kaun bola, kaun bola..

 

[Screambowl]

The Chinese media is tightly controlled by the Communist Party of China (CCP). Post-Tiananmen Square massacre it has been controlled even more tightly and young Chinese don't even know if such an event ever occurred.

As I said, the whole event is to impress the candidates and voters of people's congress. Xi is trying his best to win the third term.

 

[TPFscopes]

Another blow against SEVEN SINS

 

[Mikesingh]

This is my piece from today in The Pioneer

DOKLAM: A BITTER PILL FOR CHINA

The Doklam stand-off between India and China is close to two months but there is still no solution in sight, as neither side is willing to take a step back.

Beijing continues to use its media to wage a psychological warfare, in order to scare New Delhi to pressurise it to back off. The latest of such threat was witnessed in an editorial in China Daily, which said that the countdown to war has begun. The editorial titled, ‘New Delhi should come to its senses while it has time’ said, “The countdown to a clash between the two forces has begun, and the clock is ticking away the time to what seems to be an inevitable conclusion.”

This writer is frequently faced with a question if war with China is inevitable. And his answer has always been in the negative. The use of military force requires tactical and strategic objectives and the ability to force a win, to achieve these objectives. Wider geo-political implications must also be considered.

In the current stand-off the tactical objective of the Middle Kingdom is clear: To evict Indian forces from what Beijing considers to be its sovereign territory. But can China achieve this objective? In this writer’s opinion, the answer is no.

Ever since the stand-off started, India has quietly built up troops in the area, which was already considerable. The Indian Army’s Eastern Command has three corps numbering over two lakh troops at its disposal. Apart from this, India has air assets in the area, which can provide close air support to the troops as well as strike Chinese positions, supply lines, forward bases etc. Besides, Indian troops are better positioned in the area, overlooking China’s Chumbi valley that ends in a dagger shape near Bhutan’s Doklam area that China claims to be its own. Indian forces can cut off Chinese supply line and, in fact, take on the Chumbi valley.

China cannot spring a surprise on India as it will have to move at least two lakh troops to take on the nearly 60,000 well-trained and

well-acclimatised Indian troops that are deployed along the eastern sector. Such large movements will be picked up by satellites and other reconnaissance platforms.

Having said that, what are the options for China if it does decide to use force? First, it can open fire on the Indian troops who have blocked the road construction in Doklam. This will be swiftly retaliated by the Indian troops. It will be no more than a shooting contest which will result in casualties on both sides but not alter the positions and end the stand-off. It could also lead to the conflict spiraling out of control.

Second, China can start building up troops in the area over the next month or so into September-October. The 1962 war was started by China in October. The 1967 Nathu-la and Cho-la skirmishes, which India won, was in the month of September and October respectively. But like this writer mentioned earlier, there will not be any element of surprise. India will lie in wait for the Chinese troops, resulting in a bigger shooting contest in which India holds better positions. It can also inflict heavy casualties to China.

Third, China can start a full fledged war against India across the 4,000-kilometres India-China border. This will involve the use of missiles and the Air Force. China has thousands of conventional cruise and ballistic missiles that it can rain on India while New Delhi can cause serious damage to Chinese infrastructure in Tibet.

India is raising a mountain strike corps whose first of three divisions has been raised and is operational. The strike corps’ is being raised to capture the Chinese territory; to bargain any loss of territory to China in areas where Indian defences are weak. India’s air assets are also well placed to conduct offensive operations over Tibet and Xinjiang.

Moreover, Chinese jets have to take off from high altitude bases in Tibet, which restricts the payload it can carry and its range and endurance. On the other hand, Indian jets will take off from near sea level bases and it can carry its full load of weapons and fuel. They also carry variety of modern sensors both indigenous and western which gives it an edge over the Chinese jets.

Besides that, Indian pilots are well trained and also have the advantage of training with the best pilots in the western world.

In fact, a report by NDTV by Vishnu Som, talked about an assessment paper written by Squadron Leader Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 fighter pilot. Som writes, according to Squadron Leader Joshi, “Terrain, technology and training will assuredly give the Indian Air Force an edge over the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) in Tibet and southern Xinjiang, thereby counter-balancing the numerical superiority of the PLAAF, at least for some years to come.”

India is also well placed to hurt the Chinese Navy and its trade and energy flows, should the war include the maritime domain, which is likely in the event of a full fledged war.

So, India can counter the Chinese military aggression and take it to a stalemate. The costs in terms of men and material will be immense in the case of a full-fledged war and will come as a huge set back for the economies of both countries. But it won’t help China achieve its military or strategic objectives. On the contrary, the geo-political losses of such a stalemate will be immense for China.

First, it will make a rising India its permanent enemy. It already has generated a lot of ill feeling amongst Indians for bullying Bhutan and precipitating the current stand-off. Chinese industries stand to gain enormously from India’s industrialisation and infrastructure development. It already runs a trade surplus with India to the tune of $60 billion. India will certainly impose trade restrictions on China denying it any share of India’s economic growth.

Second, it will expose the limitations of China’s military power to the rest of the region which is increasingly being bullied by China into territorial concessions.

Third, it will push India into the US corner, something that China doesn’t want and has repeatedly warned against. It could also lead to some kind of alliance with other regional powers, undermining China’s quest for military dominance in the region.

Fourth, it will affect the One-Belt-One-Road project of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

The 19th National Congress of the Communist Party of China is due in November this year. Will Xi risk a war with India which can result in a stalemate dealing a blow to China’s prestige and Xi’s power or will he swallow a bitter pill and look for a way out of the current crisis? Analysts can only speculate what’s running in the mind of China’s most powerful leader since Mao.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/oped/doklam-a-bitter-pill-for-china.html

Well written!! A couple of additional points, taking off from where you left....

Fifthly, China stands to lose tens of billions of dollars on the infrastructure they have so assiduously built over the years in Tibet as the Indian Air Force will go all out to interdict them to prevent movement of troops and logistics from their bases deep within. Missiles like the Brahmos will be used to max effect to destroy roads, vital rail links, bridges, communication centers, troop concentrations and storage facilities in Tibet.

Sixthly, an insurgency can well be created helped by the SFF which has been trained for the purpose by incorporating the Tibet underground forces lying in wait for an opportunity to get back at the Chinese starting Lhasa, and spreading to other cities in Tibet. This though is in the long term.

Seventh, China's trade through the Malacca Strait which is a choke point and its main lifeline to the Gulf will be blockaded by the Indian Navy resulting in China losing billions of dollars a day. A riposte to counter the blockade would be difficult for the Chinese Navy as the US Navy already has the Carrier Strike Group 1, led by the Nimitz-class super carrier USS Carl Vinson, in the South China Sea. In addition, the USS Ronald Reagan is permanently forward deployed with the U.S. Seventh Fleet at Yokosuka, Japan. So any move by the PLAAN to lift the blockade will be effectively countered by the US Navy Carrier Strike Groups too.

So there it is! If China thinks it can be a win-win for it if there is a war with India, they are barking up the wrong tree. The overall economic loss to China would be unbearable and catastrophic. All this for a small inconsequential 20km X 18km piece of barren land that remains snowbound for 9 months a year? Not worth it I guess!

 

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All this for a small inconsequential 20km X 18km piece of barren land that remains snowbound for 9 months a year? Not worth it I guess!

As of now, Doklam become a Prestige issue for China ....

 

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Doklam standoff: How Chinese media failed terribly in mocking India, became laughing stock globally

Doklam standoff: Chinese media's propaganda war against India on Doklam issue has failed to find any takers in the international community comprising of democratic nations.


http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...-india-became-laughing-stock-globally/817820/