Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier

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How technically advanced can the arresters be?
I will have look up some information on it before giving you the answer. Since you have asked me this, I have a question for members if they can construct all kinds of nuclear reactors what is holding them back from coming up with arrester? I also saw the video posted by member "cir" in it they show a plane taking off and landing without a deck crew in sight. Is that real or fake? Can any USA navy personal on the forum clear this if it is possible to take off and land without the help of deck crew?
 
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The video speaks it all.

Sorry to disappoint you guys again.

China is in the midst of developing her electro-magnetic catapult (EMCAT) system. And you guys are so naive as to believe that something as low tech as the arrester can stop China?

It is good to know that our "enemies" still live in fantasyland.

By the way, never trust anything from Pinkov.
I have seen the video and where do you see EMCAT being installed? What is difference between EMCAT and arrester?

Why did Russians refuse to sell the arrester? Is it because your bad habits of reverse engineering and cheating them out of financial gains? Pinkov,Who is that?
 
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There is a video in the Chinese fun forum, it is claimed to be installing an arrester, but I have no idea what an arrester is, so dude here can have a look, since you have carriers so you can tell. [video]http://www.56.com/u32/v_NjE5NzI3MDE.html[/video][/QUOTE

I just saw the video exactly where do you see the arrester being installed other than industrial equipment being moved around while workers are walking about. If you do not an idea about arrester how is it you believed what is being said in video?
 

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Kanwa is a crapy magazine running by a clown who uesd to say that he would close the magazine if J-20 fly before 2018,Andrei Chang(Pinkov) have slapped himself many times in the last few years.....
 
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Well, it is not bad thing that Russians are openly stating that they won't sell arresters to China. I hope some day in a near future when Chinese J16s are landing on that AC, people on this forum won't make claims like China is importing arresters from Russia.

I guess ukrain doesnt have arrester so that china cannot copy or steal it.
Thanks for ruling out the possibity of Chinese arresters being Ukrain origin.


Something for you to ponder over, guys. Why would Chinese refurbish that AC if we can't make sure there is gonna be arresters on the deck? Chinese are not Indians who made rifles only to find out they couldn't manufacture the bullets.

Varyag was tolled to China in 2002 and was sitting idle in the port since then for almost 7 years before the refurbishment began. What took Chinese all those 7 years before making the mind to turn that empty hull to a AC?

I am glad that the possibity of China acquring foreign arresters has been ruled out by you guys, now let's wait for some Chinese arresters. I hope posters here won't forget what you said on this thread and try to find another cousin for Chinese arresters.
 

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Ukraine had some rotted arrestor gear at the training site in Crimea that can't be used. China can reverse engineer them in a matter of months. However we may see some of the first landings end up in the sea.
Aren't you the same guy who once asserted that there was no engine in Chinese AC and Z10 wouldn't be inducted because of engine issue.
 

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Kanwa is a crapy magazine running by a clown who uesd to say that he would close the magazine if J-20 fly before 2018,Andrei Chang(Pinkov) have slapped himself many times in the last few years.....
Special agent working for Chinese SFA (Strategic Fooyou Agency)
 

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If Russia does not or is not ready to sell the arresters it does not mean that China is not capable of building their own. May be they are capable of doing so. We should not underestimate anyone at any situation.
 

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If you think that China would have gone this far with the Varyarg without thinking about the arrester issue until now, you are crazy. Also arrester system may be complex, but it is still a big mechanical system that was invented nearly a centry ago. China may still have problem producing micro-scale devices requiring extreme precision like a state-of-the-art Intel chip, but any mechanical system big or small, is fair game for China.
 

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Well, it is not bad thing that Russians are openly stating that they won't sell arresters to China. I hope some day in a near future when Chinese J16s are landing on that AC, people on this forum won't make claims like China is importing arresters from Russia.
Ha! We will just say you stole and then copied them. :taunt:
 

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Something for you to ponder over, guys. Why would Chinese refurbish that AC if we can't make sure there is gonna be arresters on the deck? Chinese are not Indians who made rifles only to find out they couldn't manufacture the bullets.
:sad::facepalm:
 

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I have seen the video and where do you see EMCAT being installed? What is difference between EMCAT and arrester?

Why did Russians refuse to sell the arrester? Is it because your bad habits of reverse engineering and cheating them out of financial gains? Pinkov,Who is that?
Mr Pinkov the owner of KANWA Defense Review, a Chinese, got educated aboard, speaking 4 foreign languages, a Canadian passport holder. A good guy, he got lot of defense information about Asian countries, especially about China. He started all by himself, miss lead many people from the entire world, really not easy.
Can you see him here?
 

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Aren't you the same guy who once asserted that there was no engine in Chinese AC and Z10 wouldn't be inducted because of engine issue.
He also is the same kid who can't tell difference between AL31F and WS-10, and to him J-20 is a PS/CG... even today.:rofl:
 

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So long as one can recognise a Communist and a Cosmetic Communist, I think that should be acceptable!
 

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Something for you to ponder over, guys. Why would Chinese refurbish that AC if we can't make sure there is gonna be arresters on the deck? Chinese are not Indians who made rifles only to find out they couldn't manufacture the bullets.
True.

Indians are not foolish like the Chinese.

Why should be manufacture bullets when China is handing it over to us through the terrorists they sponsor in India?!

China is refurbishing an old AC because of the Chinese penchant to be with the Joneses, even if they are only half way home!

They build great stuff like the Three Gorges, Hi speed trains, great bridges and show the world that they have arrived.

And then all thing made collapses like a pack of cards!
 
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http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/Shi-Lang-Headed-For-Service-5-8-2011.asp
Shi Lang Headed For Service
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James Dunnigan
May 8, 2011


All indicators are that the new Chinese aircraft carrier, the Shi Lang
(formerly Varyag) will go to sea before the end of the year, after nearly nine years of reconstruction and upgrades. Defensive weapons, and more electronics, are being installed now, and major internal work appears to have been completed.The training of carrier aviators is underway at a land based mock-up of the Shi Lang's deck. China has bought four sets of carrier deck arrestor gear (the cables and associated mechanical gear on which the tail hook of landing aircraft catches). One set was installed at the land based mockup of the Shi Lang flight deck. Another was installed on the Shi Lang, and the other two sets are apparently for the two new carriers China is building. One of these is already under construction.The Shi Lang/Varyag is one of the Kuznetsov class carriers that Russia began building in the 1980s. Originally the Kuznetsovs were to be 90,000 ton, nuclear powered ships, similar to American carriers (complete with steam catapults). Instead, because of the high cost, and the complexity of modern (American style) carriers, the Russians were forced to scale back their plans, and ended up with 65,000 ton (full load) ships that lacked steam catapults, and used a ski jump type flight deck instead. Nuclear power was dropped, but the Kuznetsov class was still a formidable design. The 323 meter (thousand foot) long ship normally carries a dozen navalized Su-27s (called Su-33s), 14 Ka-27PL anti-submarine helicopters, two electronic warfare helicopters and two search and rescue helicopters. But the ship was meant to regularly carry 36 Su-33s and sixteen helicopters. The ship carries 2,500 tons of aviation fuel, allowing it to generate 500-1,000 aircraft and helicopter sorties. Crew size is 2,500 (or 3,000 with a full aircraft load.) Only two ships of this class exist; the original Kuznetsov, which is in Russian service, and the Varyag. Like most modern carriers, the only weapons carried are anti-missile systems like Phalanx and FL-3000N, plus some heavy machine-guns (which are often kept inside the ship, and mounted outside only when needed.)There are also indications that China is trying to design and build a catapult system for its two new carriers (and perhaps as a retrofit for Shi Lang.) Russia tried to develop a catapult launch system, but failed, and instead went with the "ski jump" system seen on the Kuznetsov and Shi Lang.
 

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