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Do u know what pru are ?This is horrible. We are still dependent on imports for such critical components? Doesn't BEL makes LRUs too?
Do u know what pru are ?This is horrible. We are still dependent on imports for such critical components? Doesn't BEL makes LRUs too?
This is horrible. We are still dependent on imports for such critical components? Doesn't BEL makes LRUs too?
PRU?? No, I don't sir.Do u know what pru are ?
Lru likh rha tha , repeat the question with lru ? Now tell me what are lru ?PRU?? No, I don't sir.
I know that sir. But I hear 10 FoC Tejas are ready to be delivered but waiting for just one critical component. Also, this is 2016 order. Why didn't HAL secure this LRU beforehand? Our MiGs are falling from sky like hailstorm and our braveheart pilots are forced to fly in coffins. We have 2 front threats yet our IAF's squadron strength is depleted. Is no one worried here? I get nightmares of Shenyang J-11BView attachment 130995
no one in the world makes fully indigenous fighter, somethings are always imported.
Kya bhai ek baar check kar liya karo....@Super Flanker
I think a meteor missile costs more than any fighter aircraft Pakistan has
Firing a meteor on jf17 , Pakistani version of f16 or mirage 3/4 would be a loss as these aircrafts cost less than meteor itself
also qoute the version of f16Kya bhai ek baar check kar liya karo....
Meteor cost:- 2-3 million.
F16 cost(brand new)-65 million
F16 cost(second hand)-15-20 million
Its cost effective by a wide margin.
Bruh. no F16 is gonna sell for less than 3 mill.....also qoute the version of f16
calm down.I know that sir. But I hear 10 FoC Tejas are ready to be delivered but waiting for just one critical component. Also, this is 2016 order. Why didn't HAL secure this LRU beforehand? Our MiGs are falling from sky like hailstorm and our braveheart pilots are forced to fly in coffins. We have 2 front threats yet our IAF's squadron strength is depleted. Is no one worried here? I get nightmares of Shenyang J-11B
You say 2 front war is inevitable and yet you also say China will only do salami slicing? Care to elaborate?calm down.
first thing is that,
all of us here agree that there is problem with the induction of platform in iaf (as migs are getting overused).
second thing is that,
the 2 front war is inevitable,
so, lets discuss abt porkistan, you need to understand that pakis have very serious debt and forex reserve issue.
they are barely maintaining 19billion dollars, which is too low. their f16s are of blk 50 standards and the junk fighter (blk1 and 2 ) are even worse than our jaguars. they have very old mirage 5 they are also shitty.
now regarding jf 17blk3, it is good fighter but it is inferior to our tejas mk1a.
now abt china,
they will only do salami slicing and Indian army can give the ans regarding that (but there should be political will), we have also inducted rafales for countering j20.
I meant, china will not engage with us in war until they capture taiwan. as they know that india will never be an aggressor.You say 2 front war is inevitable and yet you also say China will only do salami slicing? Care to elaborate?
That's a very strong assumption, IMHO.I meant, china will not engage with us in war until they capture taiwan. as they know that india will never be an aggressor.
So, they will do salami slicing for now or will keep us engaged to safeguard pok recapturing.
We do not have any more Salami slices to offer. So far Chinese have taken advantage of the dubious definition of LAC. The "Perception of LAC" game has reached its conclusion. As per my understanding, Chinese only captured the territory which we both used to consider disputed, which we both used to patrol and which we both never occupied before. So if Chinese now want more slices, they will have to invade our perception of LAC. We will not tolerate this silently, and now our LAC is a highly militarized zone. Any stunt by Chinese will immediately attract retaliation from our troops.I meant, china will not engage with us in war until they capture taiwan. as they know that india will never be an aggressor.
So, they will do salami slicing for now or will keep us engaged to safeguard pok recapturing.
Seen in the context of mig 21s falling from the skies and the fact that the order was placed 5-6 years ago and that this is the final batch so there are no unknowns any delay now is indeed depressing. HAL should have planned better since that's all they are doing now- planning the production pipeline, ordering components and putting the plane together. We can only take some heart from the fact that a foreign vendor is to blame. And once they get their act together the planes may yet be delivered on time.I know that sir. But I hear 10 FoC Tejas are ready to be delivered but waiting for just one critical component. Also, this is 2016 order. Why didn't HAL secure this LRU beforehand? Our MiGs are falling from sky like hailstorm and our braveheart pilots are forced to fly in coffins. We have 2 front threats yet our IAF's squadron strength is depleted. Is no one worried here? I get nightmares of Shenyang J-11B
How would we know if a foreign vendor is to blame? Ordering cycle from HAL also matters, and it's not that the CMD will himself say that we screwed up in placing orders with the vendors. Blaming vendors for the delay is a standard tactic in the industrySeen in the context of mig 21s falling from the skies and the fact that the order was placed 5-6 years ago and that this is the final batch so there are no unknowns any delay now is indeed depressing. HAL should have planned better since that's all they are doing now- planning the production pipeline, ordering components and putting the plane together. We can only take some heart from the fact that a foreign vendor is to blame. And once they get their act together the planes may yet be delivered on time.
It's published in a national newspaper that's why & the top boss has been very specific- could have obfuscated by saying "some" vendor is delaying to leave us guessing who it could be. I don't think HAL can get away with such a huge lie. The Israeli embassy will raise a storm if unfairly targeted.How would we know if a foreign vendor is to blame?
1 & 2 (2 less so) are definite possibilities. 3 would have been a good excuse in 2017, not now when the standard of preparation is sealed.Ordering cycle from HAL also matters, and it's not that the CMD will himself say that we screwed up in placing orders with the vendors. Blaming vendors for the delay is a standard tactic in the industry
The fact that their LRUs are so delayed that they are hampering the assembly schedule points to 1) fault from vendor's end 2) shitty planning from HAL 3) some really cutting edge Variant/critical improvement was made in the LRU so as to wait for the improvement to be imbibed in the production
To get answer of this question, you must ask the Chair Marshalls of Imported Air Force Whether Tejas got even 10% of the support JF-17 got from PAF ?You also say JF-17 Block III is inferior to TejasMk1A. Remind me, how many Mk1A units are in service or will be in service by 2024 end?
If Chair Marshalls of Imported Air Force are so worried about official sanctioned squadron strength and lives of our braveheart pilots, why didn't they ordered 360 MK1A (20 squadrons) instead of 83 ? Why they are so eager to import and scuttle Tejas program ? Why they are again planning for MMRCA 2.0 ?While you are at it, kindly also remind me, What is our IAF's officially sanctioned squadron strength? What is our actual squadron strength currently? And in our current squadron strength, how many of them are MiG 21s?
Am I correct to say that Tejas FOC is far better than Mig 21 on any parameter ? If yes, then Why the Chair Marshalls of Imported Air Force didn't go for 144 (8 squadrons) Tejas FOC ?Bonus question, will we be able to replace all aging MiGs before they all crash? Does our IAF have enough AWACS for two front threat?
What support from PAF? Do you mean painting it in green color or attaching door-hinges bought from Lahore flea market ?To get answer of this question, you must ask the Chair Marshalls of Imported Air Force Whether Tejas got even 10% of the support JF-17 got from PAF ?
Because Tejas is designed as a light fighter. Ordering 20 squadrons of Tejas Mk1/1A will be making it the backbone of our airforce. A healthy air force should have a mix of light, medium and heavy fighters.If Chair Marshalls of Imported Air Force are so worried about official sanctioned squadron strength and lives of our braveheart pilots, why didn't they ordered 360 MK1A (20 squadrons) instead of 83 ? Why they are so eager to import and scuttle Tejas program ? Why they are again planning for MMRCA 2.0 ?
On any parameter? No, not really. There are multiple things Tejas (still) falls short of Mig-21, some are critical. Tejas FOC as of last year (when Derby was integrated) was falling short of A2A capabilities (no BVR). Astra is yet to be integrated. It did not have an autocannon, (You should see how HAL mad lads cut the paneling under Tejas to accommodate the gun in such a crude manner as if it is a Lorry), as well.Am I correct to say that Tejas FOC is far better than Mig 21 on any parameter ? If yes, then Why the Chair Marshalls of Imported Air Force didn't go for 144 (8 squadrons) Tejas FOC ?
Your Chair Marshalls have made a zoo of aircrafts. I am not aware of any other prominent airforce having such diversity in active fighter jet category. Just imagine the logistical nightmare of maintaining required spares.
The principle Support, where PAF brought J17 almost zero subsystems. No FBW, No BVR/WVR missile, no EWS, I doubt even without Radar. Though UNAF also do the same but ONLY for import weapons.What support from PAF? Do you mean painting it in green color or attaching door-hinges bought from Lahore flea market ?
So according to you, All air forces around the world is suffering from Malnutrition as none operate like IAF.A healthy air force should have a mix of light, medium and heavy fighters.
Was Tejas was not intended to achieve FOC ?? Or IAF was unaware about term FOC?? How can you compare anything with unfinished product ?On any parameter? No, not really. There are multiple things Tejas (still) falls short of Mig-21, some are critical. Tejas FOC as of last year (when Derby was integrated) was falling short of A2A capabilities (no BVR). Astra is yet to be integrated. It did not have an autocannon, (You should see how HAL mad lads cut the paneling under Tejas to accommodate the gun in such a crude manner as if it is a Lorry), as well.
See, You Import fanboys often don't understand how UN armed forces place impossible GSQR and Never involve in project ab initio and take decades of trials. which effectively make upcoming product nonviable. Don't forget Rafale yet to be upgraded.See, you desi fanboys don't understand how an air force operates, what are the capabilities of the platform, and just scream murder when everything homemade is not accepted immediately in the forces.
"The Desperation" of Import fanboys to excel their argument where it is impossible to even negotiate.Tejas as a platform is still a work in progress. A lot of its systems are continuously being tested and improved. That includes its FBW, weapon system(s), avionics, radar and self-protection system.
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