LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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3rd ban?
I am on my 102th Ban - Take the bans as badge of honor;
I have replied once or twice there,
Stopped posting since some dude wrote an entire 3000 words essay for some 2 sentences I said
 

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Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the "endurance" of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.


What is this porkies keep spamming?
 

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Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the "endurance" of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.


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Ya'll Nibbiars Import Lobby at work.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Import Lobby at work.
This gets my nerves every single fking time

Our own people lobbying against our interests
 

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What is this how do I counter porkies on twitter for this
LOL why you want to counter porks? They're delusional fools of nth order and keep barking no matter what you say. They condem even Rafale and if nothing they have they start with goat Shagging logic of IAF pilots can't handle latest fighters or IAF pilots lack training where PAF Abdul's crashing F16 while ejaculating and pissing while in air ๐Ÿ˜‚
Tejas is a point defence LCA fighter. Initially it was designed on interception concept but got delayed by decades and IAF wanted to mount everything latest available on it the reason we are building MK2/ MWF else no point of building iterations. HAL did a good job making Tejas MK1 relevant to current era with incorporating many relevant things as of now.
Tejas MK2/MWF will be equivalent to Gripen/F16 for comparison also no matter what lobbyist bark the ship has sailed. Tejas made it to the squadrons of IAF and will be inducted in numbers ...
 

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Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the "endurance" of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.


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LCA was studied as a Mig21 replacement for point defense. So light, very light (a classical choice for this role).
Don't ask it now to work as a bigger plane.
 

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I have replied once or twice there,
Stopped posting since some dude wrote an entire 3000 words essay for some 2 sentences I said
It is a joke, the people there are like...
 

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What is this how do I counter porkies on twitter for this
For what? Their Junk Fighter 17 Blunder doesnโ€™t even qualify to be a modern aircraft, and they were claiming that Jadeed Tareen Ladaka Taiyyara Junk Fighter-17 Blunder Block Blaaaak-3 can defeat Rafale.

Porkies are just so deluded. Porkistanis are just so stupid that its better to ignore those goatfcking inbreds.

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First to be clear, i fully agree with galaxy fighter goat enthusiasts. Still if u want to reply, try reading a lot as all things mentioned in that article is BS. Just one link for u to start with. There r enough available.
I read they are lying about everything in the article about endurance payload etc

How is this allowed people would have been killed in China and pak for this
 

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Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the "endurance" of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.


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Hit job article

Tejas endurance is more than 3 hours.


Show them this
 

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Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the "endurance" of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.


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Fallacy 1. For one, its combat โ€œenduranceโ€ โ€” the time an aircraft can last without replenishing its resources โ€” is not even an hour compared to 3 hours for the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and almost 4 hours for the US-made F-16, the two aircraft shortlisted by the IAF to boost its depleted squadron strength.

Truth: The endurance of an aircraft is determined by four primary factors, the fuel fraction, the lift-to drag ratio, the specific fuel consumption of the engine and the mission profile. The fuel fraction is simply the fraction of the aircraftโ€™s weight covered by fuel. It is a key measure of endurance because it nullifies the effect of the particular size of the various aircraft being compared. The higher the fuel fraction, the better the endurance. The fuel-fractions of the Gripen C/D, the F-16 and the Tejas under various internal and external fuel tank conditions are covered in Table 1 below. As we can see, they are quite close to each other in terms of magnitude. Next comes the specific fuel consumption (SFC) of the engine. The Tejas and the Gripen C/D use the same engine, while the engine of the F-16 has near identical SFC. Next comes the lift-to-drag-ratio. It is a measure of aerodynamic efficiency that specifies the penalty the aircraft pays in order to fly through the air. These numbers are classified. However, for all modern aircraft, these numbers, especially those related to long endurance i.e. cruising are very similar. In fact, they are within 5 percent of each other.



WeightFuel fraction
clean take off weightinternal fuelmax external fueltypical external fuelinternal onlymaximum external fueltypical external fuel
Gripen C/D102.32.641.760.230.390.35
F-16 (without CFTs)13.283.1754.5433.630.240.430.40
LCA9.82.4852.561.920.240.400.37
*Weights in tons. #CFT= Conformal Fuel Tank

Table 1: Fuel Fraction Comparison involving the LCA Tejas, the F-16 & the Gripen C/D



If all these critical aerodynamic parameters are near identical then how can the Tejas have only 1/3rd or 1/4th the endurance of a Gripen or a F-16 respectively, as is being claimed? Of course, it doesnโ€™t! The Tejas regularly flies non-stop between Bengaluru and Jodhpur & Bengaluru and Jaisalmer for various trials and exercises. For example, flying between Bengaluru and Jaisalmer with two 1200 litre (l) drop tanks, the aircraft lands with 800 kg of fuel still onboard even after flying for 2.5 hours! In fact, these flights are regularly done at 28,000 feet (because of air traffic regulations) instead of 35,000 feet where the endurance will be even greater. Taking all these aspects into account it is easy to see why the endurance of the Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A is above 3 hours, pretty much like that of the Gripen C/D and the F-16, with whom it is being compared. With CFTs, the F-16IN can fly longer for about 4 hours.
 

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