LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Tang]

How does that number hold up from aircrafts from elsewhere

None have a better safety record.

Read about accidents of f16 f18

 

[Lost user]

Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the "endurance" of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.

Tejas far behind competitors, not enough to protect Indian skies: IAF

The IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can't meet India's requirements.

www.indiatoday.in

What is this porkies keep spamming?

2017 article which was debunked..

 

[Ghost hale]

I read they are lying about everything in the article about endurance payload etc

How is this allowed people would have been killed in China and pak for this

Cost we pay for being a " DEMOCRACY".

 

[Aman kumar]

3rd ban?
I am on my 102th Ban - Take the bans as badge of honor;

Why go to that forum in the first place?? Leave those pigs with their own masters

 

[Ghost hale]

This is what i was talking about.

 

[Chinmoy]

What is this how do I counter porkies on twitter for this

Thru facts.

Saurva Jha I believe shredded this article to bits. Do visit his DDR portal for the news or do a google. People here have moved ahead of it 4 years back.

 

[Chinmoy]

First to be clear, i fully agree with galaxy fighter goat enthusiasts. Still if u want to reply, try reading a lot as all things mentioned in that article is BS. Just one link for u to start with. There r enough available.

Removing Some Media Fallacies About The Capabilities of The LCA Tejas Fighter | Delhi Defence Review

www.google.com

Yeah this is the one I was talking about @Abdus Salem killed .

 

[warriorextreme]

I read they are lying about everything in the article about endurance payload etc

How is this allowed people would have been killed in China and pak for this

There is an entire ecosystem based on fake news and false narratives.

*Fake news/False narrative writers
*Fact checking portals that give official status to the Fake news/False narratives.
*Influencers who spread these Fake news/False narrative articles.
*Idiots who consume these Fake news/False narratives and think they are woke.

 

[Tactical Doge]

Mark 2 engine/tail section??????

 

[Annaa]

Mark 2 engine/tail section??????

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[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars DFI just declared War on the Fake Media.

 

[MonaLazy]

Ya'll Nibbiars DFI just declared War on the Fake Media.

Best rebuke to these party poopers will be to allow Mk1A into MRFA, it is as multi role as they come- and announce it as final winner on LCC/TCO (Life Cycle Costs/Total Cost of Ownership) and build another 114 of these for a total of 237 next in number only to the mighty MKIs! That will save us tons of money & give us an hour glass shaped airforce with a heavy top, heavy bottom and an anemic middle. That situation will improve with the arrival of Mk2 & AMCA.

It scales very well..
Rafale F4 ~8-900crs/plane (off the shelf prices, MII price will be 2-3x because factory costs have to be amortized)
Tejas Mk1A ~300crs/plane (will go down with Uttam AESAR and and economies of scale from an even bigger order)
600crs*114 = 68,400 crs to be saved atleast!

 

[Haldilal]

Best rebuke to these party poopers will be to allow Mk1A into MRFA- and announce it as final winner on LCC/TCO (Life Cycle Costs/Total Cost of Ownership) and build another 114 of these for a total of 237 next in number only to the mighty MKIs! That will save us tons of money & give us an hour glass shaped airforce with a heavy top, heavy bottom and an anemic middle. That situation will improve with the arrival of Mk2 & AMCA.

Ya'll Nibbiars then make a pictographs will post it's.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale F4 ~8-900crs/plane (off the shelf prices, MII price will be 2-3x because factory costs have to be amortized)

Only if made by that lazy company HAL.
The first 36 Rafale contract alread paid a factory thanks to offset. Any new order is intended to be assembled there. And in case of a big order (ie > 70 more or less), som more components to be indian made.

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale F4 ~8-900crs/plane (off the shelf prices, MII price will be 2-3x because factory costs have to be amortized)
Tejas Mk1A ~300crs/plane (will go down with Uttam AESAR and and economies of scale from an even bigger order)

Just crazy to compare the 2 birds. The spec are very differents, so is the cost.

 

[MonaLazy]

Just crazy to compare the 2 birds. The spec are very differents, so is the cost.

Of course different capabilities- but Mk1A offers ~60-70% Rafale at ~30% cost. If you have any idea of the Indian automotive sector- then it is similar to Maruti Suzuki Ertiga vs Toyota Innova Crysta.

So Rafale may be purchased in staggered blocks of 36 off the shelf to create the diamond tip of the spear, while large numbers of Mk1A form the long golden pole. In any case by the time MRFA long winds it's way to a winner, Mk2 will be online & will bridge the capability gap even further with Rafale and may even surpass it, fingers crossed- it has better engines for a start.

Methinks, Safran should offer full ToT & know-why (rather than just know-how) for M88 at a reasonable cost (from Indian PoV) as well as work on putting M88-4 through its paces in tropical Indian climes (power drops 20% over cooler Europe) so as to get its foot in the door for the giant jet engine market that has to serve LCA iterations, TEDBF & AMCA besides Indian Rafales.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Of course different capabilities- but Mk1A offers ~60-70% Rafale at ~30% cost. If you have any idea of the Indian automotive sector- then it is similar to Maruti Suzuki Ertiga vs Toyota Innova Crysta.

So Rafale may be purchased in staggered blocks of 36 off the shelf to create the diamond tip of the spear, while large numbers of Mk1A form the long golden pole. In any case by the time MRFA long winds it's way to a winner, Mk2 will be online & will bridge the capability gap even further with Rafale and may even surpass it, fingers crossed- it has better engines for a start.

Methinks, Safran should offer full ToT & know-why (rather than just know-how) for M88 at a reasonable cost (from Indian PoV) as well as work on putting M88-4 through its paces in tropical Indian climes (power drops 20% over cooler Europe) so as to get its foot in the door for the giant jet engine market that has to serve LCA iterations, TEDBF & AMCA besides Indian Rafales.

I was thinking, should india use m88 in tejas?

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbairs make technical points and slides to bust the media lies. Will post it on the twitter.

 

[MonaLazy]

I was thinking, should india use m88 in tejas?

It will have to be modified for single engine use- redundant controls etc. but certainly in the realm of possibility.

M88-2 for Indian Rafale (73kN)
M88-3 for LCA IOC/FOC/MK1A (An 80–93 kN thrust variant for single-engine light combat aircraft)
M88-4 for Mk2/TEDBF/AMCA (A 95–105 kN thrust variant for heavier single-engine fighter aircraft)

-3 & -4 are probably paper engines or lab experiments at best- will need substantial time, money and effort to see them through to the finish line. There is also the issue of fighter compatibility like 5(?) years wasted on LCA to adapt it to GE's F404 from GTREs Kaveri earlier. ADA will be the best judge on this.

But what it gives us in return, is no strategic dependency on a fickle minded Uncle Sam who keeps threatening CAATSA. We already have a successful model in Shakti/Ardiden helicopter engines- only have to replicate it. Makes immense financial sense but Safran may be unwilling to offer the same mouth watering terms as RR (total IPR once the engine dev is paid for like with automotive engines)- which is then next best option.